Paris Bakery gone soon to make way for shopping centre

kdave2

Cool Mo D wrote: »

I think the Central Bank actually looks great - it's not overpoweringly tall, and provides a nice contrast with its surroundings. The plaza around the building allows some breathing room in the streetscape too. Too much uniformity is dull - a mix of heights and architectural styles can be good for a street.

Part of my liking for it is because the facade has been well maintained, and it still looks fresh compared to the miserable stained concrete of Hawkins House, or the painted over mosaic work of Liberty Hall.

I agree that Central Bank looks great I think skyscrapers would suit Dublin very well if they are as mentioned in an above post clustered together in an area.The area would clearly be the Docklands as it is the most modernised part of the city and would provide a nice contrast to the Georgian part of the city.

You dont need skyscrapers to have an great city look at Edinburgh for example but I think an area like the docklands is well suited for them and would ease the pressure a bit of expanding outwards

kdave2

I want to know who in particular is responsible for the limited in heights of buildings in Dublin...I think its absolutely ridiculous and makes my blood boil the ridiculous planning decisions and the time wasting that goes into it

expectationlost

you really think that "skypark" would work, or is just architect dumping trees on top of buildings that would never work

Aard

kdave2 wrote: »

I want to know who in particular is responsible for the limited in heights of buildings in Dublin...I think its absolutely ridiculous and makes my blood boil the ridiculous planning decisions and the time wasting that goes into it

The Councillors have historically against tall buildings. All the same, tall buildings aren't the be all and end all, and can often create as many problems as they solve.

GarIT

It really makes me feel sick that in general this country will pick history over functionality every time.

Planning laws are just immoral IMO, if you own land and it is zoned right you should be free to go and do whatever you like, it's nobody else's business what you do with your land.

Aard

Immoral?! How in the world are planning laws "immoral"? What if I owned land beside your house and decided to build in such a way as to block out all sunlight from your garden? I think you'd find that it's not "nobody else's business" then.

Wurzelbert

Aard wrote: »

The Councillors have historically against tall buildings. All the same, tall buildings aren't the be all and end all, and can often create as many problems as they solve.

and steel&glass high-rise is so 20th century anyway…

GarIT

Aard wrote: »

Immoral?! How in the world are planning laws "immoral"? What if I owned land beside your house and decided to build in such a way as to block out all sunlight from your garden? I think you'd find that it's not "nobody else's business" then.

If you own the land in general you shouldn't be restricted on how you use it, if you want light buy a load of land around your house so nobody else can build in it.

Aard

I'm not sure you've thought this through! I won't bother trying to convince you otherwise; it's certainly a unique ideology you hold!

Qualitymark

GarIT wrote: »

If you own the land in general you shouldn't be restricted on how you use it, if you want light buy a load of land around your house so nobody else can build in it.

Ar scáth a chéile a mairimíd!

TheBandicoot

GarIT wrote: »

If you own the land in general you shouldn't be restricted on how you use it, if you want light buy a load of land around your house so nobody else can build in it.

Go to bed Ayn.

cgcsb

GarIT wrote: »

It really makes me feel sick that in general this country will pick history over functionality every time.

Planning laws are just immoral IMO, if you own land and it is zoned right you should be free to go and do whatever you like, it's nobody else's business what you do with your land.

What about the impact your development has on the environment? That impact has a price that is socialised among all of society. A human only lives 80 or 90 years, a patch of land will remain for millions of years, you are only borrowing it really.

FreudianSlippers

His thread is getting deep, man.

tawnyowl

GarIT wrote: »

If you own the land in general you shouldn't be restricted on how you use it, if you want light buy a load of land around your house so nobody else can build in it.

The problem is that neighbours can be adversely affected. I can't build a pizza place in my garden to run a business from - the neighbours would be affected by traffic and cycles making deliveries.

expectationlost

so the paris bakery sit in has ended as the company has been declared insovlent http://www.newstalk.ie/reader/47.301.341/26539/0/
this means that workers can access the insolvancy fund which could get them up to 8 weeks pay.. they won't be getting all their pay back though

hfallada

I can't believe the owners destroyed their brand and reputation for a short term gain. They have a decent contract with a certain us coffee giant in Ireland and their shop was quite popular. No one will buy from them again after their bad publicity

JustAddWater

hfallada wrote: »

I can't believe the owners destroyed their brand and reputation for a short term gain. They have a decent contract with a certain us coffee giant in Ireland and their shop was quite popular. No one will buy from them again after their bad publicity

they're liquidated. Least of their worries

Qualitymark

hfallada wrote: »

I can't believe the owners destroyed their brand and reputation for a short term gain. They have a decent contract with a certain us coffee giant in Ireland and their shop was quite popular. No one will buy from them again after their bad publicity

You think?

Wurzelbert

hfallada wrote: »

I can't believe the owners destroyed their brand and reputation for a short term gain. They have a decent contract with a certain us coffee giant in Ireland and their shop was quite popular. No one will buy from them again after their bad publicity

do not overestimate human memory…and if or when they open a new shop, it would not bear their name in the logo anyway…

expectationlost

Bank moves in on Arnotts city stores http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1419958.ece

BANK OF IRELAND has taken control of a string of shops on Dublin’s Henry Street from department store operator Arnotts.

The bank seized the four stores at 18-21 Henry Street and a unit in the GPO Arcade last week after Choristar, an Arnotts subsidiary, failed to service almost €30m in loans.

that were ment to be part of the Northern Quarter the second new shopping centre that was starting to be developed on O'Connell street during the boom

expectationlost

Paris Bakery in Dublin wound up http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0630/627565-paris-bakery/
the end?

Muahahaha

That's the end alright, hopefully the liquidator can find some money for the employees but as always Revenue are first in line in that queue.

Anyone know what actually went wrong ? Did they over borrow or something ? When it opened I thought it was a strange place for a French bakery but my guess was that they needed to find a unit with cheap rent. Assuming they got that on their short term lease then I'm wondering where it all went wrong, it's not like the place wasn't busy or anything.

Gyalist

Muahahaha wrote: »

That's the end alright, hopefully the liquidator can find some money for the employees but as always Revenue are first in line in that queue.

Anyone know what actually went wrong ? Did they over borrow or something ? When it opened I thought it was a strange place for a French bakery but my guess was that they needed to find a unit with cheap rent. Assuming they got that on their short term lease then I'm wondering where it all went wrong, it's not like the place wasn't busy or anything.

The rent was anything but cheap. I remember reading that it was €17,000 per month. So the owners were shelling out more than €200,000 per annum on a temporary convenience lease.

Muahahaha

Gyalist wrote: »

The rent was anything but cheap. I remember reading that it was €17,000 per month. So the owners were shelling out more than €200,000 per annum on a temporary convenience lease.

Jaysis that's sheer and utter madness, especially as they set up in what 2010 or so when rents were at their lowest and some landlords were giving rent free periods just to secure tenants to their empty units. It's stunning they signed such a high rent in let's face it, not Dublins best location for a French bakery.

kdave2

Its absolutley madness I mean there are 2 shopping centres in that area already

Wurzelbert

kdave2 wrote: »

Its absolutley madness I mean there are 2 shopping centres in that area already

yep, yet another epic failure in the making...

Lux23

Wurzelbert wrote: »

yep, yet another epic failure in the making...

Why are the shopping centres in town a failure? Most are pretty full up in fairness, I don't think there are any empty spaces in Jervis and the Ilac is mostly full.

expectationlost

h/t Frank Fitzgibbon
@FrankSunTimes
ST News: Former waiter in Paris Bakery awarded €10,000 by Labour Court after he was head butted by the owner for complaining about hours

Paris Bakery & Pastry Limited - And - Igor Mrzljak (Represented By Brendan Archbold) http://www.labourcourt.ie/en/Cases/2014/July/DWT1468.html