What is heroin like?

eireannBEAR

Aidric wrote: »

Is your experience based on college dealers? They aren't much of a dealer if they're getting tuned up on their own gear.

lol,Thats the mistakes these guys are making their confusing padjo down the road thats 2 years older than them and has a car,whos just selling some blow for a free bit of smoke.... :rolleyes:

chopper6

Temptamperu wrote: »

It was cannibas oil, I cant remember the name though.

You can make hash oil quite easily from bog standard weed or hash...it's usually made from leaves or shakings from a weed harvest and is a pain in the arse to smoke.

Most people who make it keep it for themselves but if they sold it to you for that price you were well and truly ripped.

eireannBEAR

chopper6 wrote: »

Well you posted a generic scenario and a few sentences about cold turkey.

You say you never took heroin before this dude showed up and you both started smoking it,fine but i'd like to know what were your drug experiences before that?

It's not that easy to get strung out and i've never met anybody who took heroin untill they'd done the gammut of dope,acid,speed,pills or coke beforehand.

Its very easy to get strung,If you read my my post i blamed the legality of weed for it being a gateway drug,If weed was legal i wouldnt think that, studies in countries where weed is legal shows it doesnt lead to stronger drugs.

returnNull

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Its very easy to get strung,If you read my my post i blamed the legality of weed for it being a gateway drug,If weed was legal i wouldnt think that, studies in countries where weed is legal shows it doesnt lead to stronger drugs.

Stop talking sh1te.

As if the legality of weed decides if its a gateway drug:rolleyes:

chopper6

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Its very easy to get strung,If you read my my post i blamed the legality of weed for it being a gateway drug,If weed was legal i wouldnt think that, studies in countries where weed is legal shows it doesnt lead to stronger drugs.

It doesnt lead to anythin...i know people who've smokd weed for 30 years and might have gona as far as acid but certainly nobody who got strung out on gear as a direct result of smoking weed.

It's sort of like saying if you're fond of a pint of beer occasionaly you'll eventually end up addicted to potin.

rustedtrumpet

I think he meant that its a gateway drug as in, everyperson who is strung out or used higher class A's, first smoked grass. Course alcohol comes before, but in terms of illegal chemicals available in the drug scene, the above is most likely always true. Obviously to the politically correct here, "it can never be a gateway drug because its only a herb that grows in the ground and alcohol is much worse..."

we'llallhavetea

if it was an end of world situation i would like to try it!

eireannBEAR

rustedtrumpet wrote: »

I think he meant that its a gateway drug as in, everyperson who is strung out or used higher class A's, first smoked grass. Course alcohol comes before, but in terms of illegal chemicals available in the drug scene, the above is most likely always true. Obviously to the politically correct here, "it can never be a gateway drug because its only a herb that grows in the ground and alcohol is much worse..."

I agree and it depends on your personal definition i suppose,I also agree that alcohol is much worse but in legal terms weed is a drug. you are also more likely to experience serious drug addiction as a weed user in the countries where weed is illegal thats a fact,if these guys want to defend weed so much they should argue for it to be legal,as in holland a weed user is in no greater danger of becoming a serious drug addict.

returnNull

eireannBEAR wrote: »

you are also more likely to experience serious drug addiction as a weed user in the countries where weed is illegal thats a fact,if these guys want to defend weed so much they should argue for it to be legal,as in holland a weed user is in no greater danger of becoming a serious drug addict.

Youre still talking sh1te.As if the meer fact of weed being legal makes it less likely you'll get strung out on gear:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Temptamperu

chopper6 wrote: »

You can make hash oil quite easily from bog standard weed or hash...it's usually made from leaves or shakings from a weed harvest and is a pain in the arse to smoke.

Most people who make it keep it for themselves but if they sold it to you for that price you were well and truly ripped.

I used a vapourizer. But when i got it here I just painted the outside of a cigg with it ripped of the filter and smoked it like that.

returnNull

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Thats what i said... Please stop directing posts at me.

stop talking sh1te then.

cletus van damme

no experience with heroin.

but the idea of a dealer only selling one item is stupid.
a guy I go to primarily sells 1 thing (his fav) but will get you anything you want.

another guy I have deal occionally with could have anything on him when you ring.

eireannBEAR

returnNull wrote: »

stop talking sh1te then.

Sorry i read your post wrong,its a fact in cases where weed is legal,users are less likely to become addicted to other drugs.

cletus van damme

cletus van damme wrote: »

no experience with heroin.

but the idea of a dealer only selling one item is stupid.
a guy I go to primarily sells 1 thing (his fav) but will get you anything you want.

another guy I have deal occionally with could have anything on him when you ring.

According to some people though he should be shoving heroin samples in without asking.

eireannBEAR

Deleted User wrote: »

According to some people though he should be shoving heroin samples in without asking.

This is becoming trolling now. :rolleyes:

returnNull

eireannBEAR wrote: »

This is becoming trolling now. :rolleyes:

and what did you get sitebanned for?

EDIT:just in case you forgot
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057041457

eireannBEAR

returnNull wrote: »

and what did you get sitebanned for?

EDIT:just in case you forgot
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057041457

Your creeping me out a bit. TBH!!

returnNull

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Your creeping me out a bit. TBH!!

go get something off your dealer to calm you down
trawl the dailymail and the evening herald to flesh out your claims :pac:

Arthur Beesley

Heroin is brown.

Faeces is generally brown.

Need I say more?

Temptamperu

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Heroin is brown.

Faeces is generally brown.

Need I say more?

Some is brown, Some is golden and china white is blue i think

Arthur Beesley

Temptamperu wrote: »

Some is brown, Some is golden and china white is blue i think

It all comes out brown though.

Temptamperu

Blue m&m Red m&m they all come out the same colour - Homer Simpsoid.

ceadaoin.

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Sorry i read your post wrong,its a fact in cases where weed is legal,users are less likely to become addicted to other drugs.

If it's a fact then can you supply some links to back up your claim?

If someone is interested in trying other drugs then they are going to try those drugs regardless of whether weed is legal or not. Plenty of people try heroin and other harder drugs and don't become addicted, that also depends on many variables and I'd say weed being legal or illegal is the least of those.

Holsten

Aidric wrote: »

Is your experience based on college dealers? They aren't much of a dealer if they're getting tuned up on their own gear.

In and out of college in Ireland. Same in the US. Some European countries.

Of course I have no experience of a heroin dealer so I guess they aren't so mellow.

Temptamperu

ceadaoin. wrote: »

If it's a fact then can you supply some links to back up your claim?

If someone is interested in trying other drugs then they are going to try those drugs regardless of whether weed is legal or not. Plenty of people try heroin and other harder drugs and don't become addicted, that also depends on many variables and I'd say weed being legal or illegal is the least of those.

I think shes working of the hypothesis that if weed were legal you would buy it in a dispensery instead of pajo who also sells coke and gear and will swindlee poor defenseless people into buying the harder stuff.
Bullshít of-course but there has been a very successful smear campaign on all drugs and people use this propaganda as proof that "drugs are bad"

eireannBEAR

Temptamperu wrote: »

I think shes working of the hypothesis that if weed were legal you would buy it in a dispensery instead of pajo who also sells coke and gear and will swindlee poor defenseless people into buying the harder stuff.
Bullshít of-course but there has been a very successful smear campaign on all drugs and people use this propaganda as proof that "drugs are bad"

Im a guy.

And now im not blaming the drug at all!!!! and you know that!!

Says I To Bridey

Temptamperu wrote: »

I think shes working of the hypothesis that if weed were legal you would buy it in a dispensery instead of pajo who also sells coke and gear and will swindlee poor defenseless people into buying the harder stuff.
Bullshít of-course but there has been a very successful smear campaign on all drugs and people use this propaganda as proof that "drugs are bad"

Is he not arguing that weed exposes you to a whole new underground? I'd legalize weed, but it isn't harmless and people like you who see it as magic fairydust are as big an impediment to getting it legalized as the crowd who push the horror stories

Temptamperu

Thats what I tried to say in my post. sorry it wasn't clearer. No its not harmless some people stop living after they find weed I lost a great friend to it all he wants is to sit in his room getting high. But that does not happen everyone.
Personally I use it for pain management. I got hit by a car and they gave me opiates and difene but it made me sick as a dog and the difene gives awful cramps. I would be less than useless if I was taking these drugs where as three hits of my vaporizer a day helps me get by.
Most people cry bull**** when I tell them and say I do it just to get high. But thats what you have to put up with until we get at least medical marijuana legalised in this country.

eireannBEAR

Temptamperu wrote: »

Thats what I tried to say in my post. sorry it wasn't clearer. No its not harmless some people stop living after they find weed I lost a great friend to it all he wants is to sit in his room getting high. But that does not happen everyone.
Personally I use it for pain management. I got hit by a car and they gave me opiates and difene but it made me sick as a dog and the difene gives awful cramps. I would be less than useless if I was taking these drugs where as three hits of my vaporizer a day helps me get by.
Most people cry bull**** when I tell them and say I do it just to get high. But thats what you have to put up with until we get at least medical marijuana legalised in this country.

From your post you appear to be older than i thought,So you were defensive of weed on the grounds that you use it,I have no objection to you using it and im not saying your going to smoke crack because you use it,I was saying that for ''some'' people the drug culture they gained access to through weed has lead them to heroin. I never said the weed itself did so i dont understand the defensiveness,I wouldnt mind my argument is one of the main reasons weed should be legalized.

pragmatic1

Temptamperu wrote: »

nope.

Yep. I'd actually rate it better than sex.

pragmatic1

It's like a little slice of heaven. Complete contentment. But boy will you pay for it later.

SimonQuinlank

Not too much fun for the non-addicts living in the old Michaels Estate in the 90's by the looks of things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkmuoMugV40

thebaz

for everyone saying how wonderful it is - and maybe it is, at the begining - I have never met an addict that doesn't want to stop - the problem though, is stopping , 95% never can stop long term - so , my advice , would be stay away , ther are other things in life that are nice , without so much long term pain ... and horrific complications

Spunge

chopper6 wrote: »

Meth mouth is also caused by the prescence of acetone which is used as a solvent when it's being made. The acid attacks the enamel of the teeth and rots them away.

The dry mouth you speak of has caused an upsurge in people drinking Mountain Dew,a hideous,gloopy concoction that is terrible for the teeth as well.

I dont think this is true at all. People who inject or snort methamphetamine all the time would also be susceptible to meth mouth, so would ones who use pharmacy grade methamphetamine (desoxyn) at high enough doses.

I also think the desire for soda/sugary drinks part is wrong, i bet they only want to drink water if anything.

Id say its primarily just the lack of production of saliva combined with not keeping the mouth hydrated and probabaly not brushing (youd probably have to brush many times a day to prevent it).

Its not really a meth specific thing, id say its the same across all amphetamine-like substance abuse.

Not saying i know for sure, its just my opnion after reading about meth a lot trying to find out what was media-hype(theres a lot of this) and what was fact. So i dont see ones like sugary drinks or actual impurities in the meth as the cause. Anyway meth is probably one of the most pure street drugs you can get, everything else is cut to ****.

Open to being proven wrong this is just my opinion of reading about meth a lot.

cletus van damme

Deleted User wrote: »

According to some people though he should be shoving heroin samples in without asking.

can't answer for that - but I can see a situation where the dealer has nothing other than heroin and it been taken.

There is an example of this given in Prof. David Nutt's book "drugs without the hot air" (a fantastic read for drug users and parents alike)
Where a teenager couldn't get hash but took heroin instead as a substitute and OD'd.

The free samples is well documented - I haven't experienced it with heroin but I have been offer a sample of new or different stuff with other stuff.
"try that, I've loads if you want more" or something along those lines.

returnNull wrote: »

go get something off your dealer to calm you down
trawl the dailymail and the evening herald to flesh out your claims :pac:

He has stated previously that he had a heroin problem for 5 years - and for you to say something like that is the actions of a cnut.

returnNull

cletus van damme wrote: »

He has stated previously that he had a heroin problem for 5 years - and for you to say something like that is the actions of a cnut.

Like i give a fuk what you think.

cletus van damme

returnNull wrote: »

Like i give a fuk what you think.

where did I say you did? but ok so tough guy :rolleyes:

returnNull

cletus van damme wrote: »

but ok so tough guy :rolleyes:

says the internet mouthpiece after calling me a kunt:rolleyes::rolleyes:

El Guapo!

cletus van damme and returnNull, drop the childish back and forth.

cletus van damme

returnNull wrote: »

says the internet mouthpiece after calling me a kunt:rolleyes::rolleyes:

actually I said you had one action of cnut which is different to calling you one. I don't know you to make a full judgement on you but don't worry I'm getting there...

don't let your mis-understanding get in the way of a good internet rage.

but for somebody who doesn't "give a fuk" you seem to care quite a bit.

El Guapo! wrote: »

cletus van damme and returnNull, drop the childish back and forth.

too late

returnNull

cletus van damme wrote: »

actually I said you had one action of cnut which is different to calling you one.

you can use that line in DRP appealling your red card so...

nxbyveromdwjpg

cletus van damme wrote: »

There is an example of this given in Prof. David Nutt's book "drugs without the hot air" (a fantastic read for drug users and parents alike)
Where a teenager couldn't get hash but took heroin instead as a substitute and OD'd.

This book is fiction yea?

lufties

B_Rabbit wrote: »

Worth a watch, gives some perspective on heroin addiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9huWlXFA1s

Never tried heroin, mushrooms are good though

eireannBEAR

cletus van damme wrote: »

He has stated previously that he had a heroin problem for 5 years - and for you to say something like that is the actions of a cnut.

Dont feed it.

returnNull

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Dont feed it.

get back under your bridge.....

Mod: Banned.

eireannBEAR

returnNull wrote: »

get back under your bridge.....

You have constantly swore and posted in a rude manner,Then you brought up my ban(Oh the shame) :rolleyes: on another thread you accused people of being re-regs,yet i should get back under my bridge...ok..

rustedtrumpet

I know someone who was giving out free samples of internet hard man tho

pickarooney

Could this 'wrapped in a blanket' feeling not be replicated by wrapping yourself in a blanket?

burnhardlanger

I'd imagine that it's a huge dopamine rush.

Like that pleasurable/intoxicating/anticipatory feeling you get a nanosecond right before an orgasm but for a longer period of time.

J_E

burnhardlanger wrote: »

I'd imagine that it's a huge dopamine rush.

Like that pleasurable/intoxicating/anticipatory feeling you get a nanosecond right before an orgasm but for a longer period of time.

I think that's the only reference most of us have, and I think I'd rather keep it that way, happy enough with my odd natural high, and will take a puff of anything that's passed around, apart from that, I think I'm just flirting with danger given my addictive nature.