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How to get job in Software Engineering/Development for Graduate
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17-02-2014 5:15pm#1
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As title says,
I'm graduate in BSc in Software Development, completed a 3 year course. Its now 1.5 months I'm looking for a job, through jobbridge and other websites.
Was lucky to get interview, passed first interview, was invited for second but failed on technical interview, because the technologies they used did not match the one I have learned in college.
Still applying everywhere but no calls yet, and I am applying as an Intern! Trying to find job in Software Development, Java programmer or Web Development.
So what is my mistake?
Keep looking for jobs?
Is it good idea to get a job as IT technician/support? And then move to Software Development?
Is there much difference in BSc ordinary/ BSc honours? Maybe come back to college and get higher diploma? Or better get experience in any IT related jobs.
Thank you for advices
Move to Scandinavia
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Yes it do
What sort ? You say that like you skeptical there should be any.
Any kind of development job you can find in Ireland really, in a much stronger economy. Starting salary for graduates/junior roles with a BSc is approx 40-45k.
That's the same money mcdonald's workers get paid over there. Also remember tax is high and a pint costs the equivalent of over a tenner :pac:0 -
That's the same money mcdonald's workers get paid over there. Also remember tax is high and a pint costs the equivalent of over a tenner :pac:
I think you are mistaken. They get paid no where near that, sorry.
If pints are no.1 on your list when choosing a country to live in, you doing it wrong! 0 -
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And probably Norway wouldn't be on the top of your list either.If pints are no.1 on your list when choosing a country to live in, you doing it wrong!
Not a horrid place to be, and Sweden and Finland are nice as well if you think that hundreds of miles of flat frozen tundra is pretty (and it is)... but it wouldn't be for everyone I think.0 -
And probably Norway wouldn't be on the top of your list either.
Not a horrid place to be, and Sweden and Finland are nice as well if you think that hundreds of miles of flat frozen tundra is pretty (and it is)... but it wouldn't be for everyone I think.
Their women sure are pretty though
I've a mate that just came back from 5 years in Oslo, his main complaint was the Norwegian people being a bit dry and not capable of having the craic so to speak.0 -
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Their women sure are pretty though
I've a mate that just came back from 5 years in Oslo, his main complaint was the Norwegian people being a bit dry and not capable of having the craic so to speak.
Thats because he hasnt met the right people and living in the wrong place in Norway:D:D:D0 -
I've a mate that just came back from 5 years in Oslo, his main complaint was the Norwegian people being a bit dry and not capable of having the craic so to speak.
I've heard that said about the Finns, and it's taught me to recognise when someone doesn't know what they're on about
Seriously, I've met Finns who had an incredible sense of humour, but you had to listen to what they were saying because they didn't put on clown makeup to tell the punchline. Like one lad who spent the better part of a half-hour over lunch one day telling me about how environmental work was terribly important to the planet and how it was the thing that would save us all in the end and how we owed it to our kids to work in that area and how as a result - we're 20 minutes into the chat at this point - he was involved in an environmental project with a company called Lapua.
Some of you can already see the punchline coming.
Here's the project he was involved in: Naturalis, an all-copper bullet for shooting reindeer without the environmental concerns from lead bullets. Helping the environment by punching fist-sized holes in reindeer from 200 meters away without risking 2 grammes of lead getting into the water table 300 miles of frozen tundra away from the nearest major town...
Finns have a sense of humour allright, but it puts Norwegian slow TV to shame in its buildup and then it undersells the punchline.
But if you're listening, you will wind up literally falling off your chair laughing in a fairly crowded cafeteria as a result.
Thing is, like Norwegian slow TV, it's not for everyone...
...so maybe the OP needs more general advice?0 -
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I've heard that said about the Finns, and it's taught me to recognise when someone doesn't know what they're on about
Seriously, I've met Finns who had an incredible sense of humour, but you had to listen to what they were saying because they didn't put on clown makeup to tell the punchline. Like one lad who spent the better part of a half-hour over lunch one day telling me about how environmental work was terribly important to the planet and how it was the thing that would save us all in the end and how we owed it to our kids to work in that area and how as a result - we're 20 minutes into the chat at this point - he was involved in an environmental project with a company called Lapua.
Some of you can already see the punchline coming.
Here's the project he was involved in: Naturalis, an all-copper bullet for shooting reindeer without the environmental concerns from lead bullets. Helping the environment by punching fist-sized holes in reindeer from 200 meters away without risking 2 grammes of lead getting into the water table 300 miles of frozen tundra away from the nearest major town...
Finns have a sense of humour allright, but it puts Norwegian slow TV to shame in its buildup and then it undersells the punchline.
But if you're listening, you will wind up literally falling off your chair laughing in a fairly crowded cafeteria as a result.
Thing is, like Norwegian slow TV, it's not for everyone...
...so maybe the OP needs more general advice?
I like the way you countered my anecdote with your own one
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read.. and learn.. you have the time.. theres hundreds of brilliant books online.. theres thousands of youtube videos also
General things to learn about:
Object Oriented basics!! classes, objects, interfaces, abstract classes, whats the difference between an abstract class and an interface? Why use interfaces?, why do we need inheritance? Whats the difference between inheritance and composition? benefits of both? etc
Design Patterns (specifically gang of four) how they are used and why.. have a knowledge of the 10-15 most used ones!! (Strategy,Observer,Factory Method, Abstract Factory,prototype,decorator, facade, command) etc ..
Be comfortable with the SOLID principles and the reasons for their use.. these are so important imho.. what is inversion of control, why is it good?
How cohesion and coupling can affect software.. what are they? how layering an application can help reduce coupling and increase cohesion..
Learn what AOP is and what the benefits are.. (reduction in boiler plate code..)
Learn some javascript as its pretty easy to pick up (similar to java and c# in syntax, you must have done one of them in collegE)
Unit Testing, the benefits? why bother doing it? Test driven development, why is it good?
What are ORM's, Whats the benefits? (ease of use, fluent api, auto migrations, no SQL/Stored Procedures needed, versioning of your DB through the domain etc). what are the disadvantages? ( slow, cumbersome, heavy,abstract too much away)
Version Control(SVN/Mercurial for Java... TFS/SVN for .NET (Github for all))
if you done java in college:
learn:
1. Learn how Hibernate works
2. Learn how the Spring container works (Spring Data, IOC Container,
3. Maven/Ant
If you done c#/vb.net in college:
1. Learn how EntityFramework works (ORM)
2. WCF basics, create a simple app, DAO layer, Business Logic layer, Service layer, and web layer. (see the nerddinner example for what this should look like!!)
3. MVC pattern, have an understanding of what it is, how MS makes it so much easier with their implementation of MVC (ASP.net MVC).
4. Inversion of Control containers (Unity, CastleWindsor or one of them)
if you can talk for a few minutes confidently even half of this , you will be a valuable software developer because in my experience these arent focused on in college for the vast majority of grads... which is mind boggling!!
If you have a core understanding of OO development (ie. 6 points above) , you will get a job, it wont matter what technologies you wont know.
I dont mean to overload you or anything but if I had been reading this stuff 7 years ago when I left college, I would have made it alot easier on myself
Good luck in the search.. and apologies if the answer is a bit all over the place..0 -
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neil_hosey wrote: »read.. and learn.. you have the time.. theres hundreds of brilliant books online.. theres thousands of youtube videos also
General things to learn about:
Object Oriented basics!! classes, objects, interfaces, abstract classes, whats the difference between an abstract class and an interface? Why use interfaces?, why do we need inheritance? Whats the difference between inheritance and composition? benefits of both? etc
Design Patterns (specifically gang of four) how they are used and why.. have a knowledge of the 10-15 most used ones!! (Strategy,Observer,Factory Method, Abstract Factory,prototype,decorator, facade, command) etc ..
Be comfortable with the SOLID principles and the reasons for their use.. these are so important imho.. what is inversion of control, why is it good?
How cohesion and coupling can affect software.. what are they? how layering an application can help reduce coupling and increase cohesion..
Learn what AOP is and what the benefits are.. (reduction in boiler plate code..)
Learn some javascript as its pretty easy to pick up (similar to java and c# in syntax, you must have done one of them in collegE)
Unit Testing, the benefits? why bother doing it? Test driven development, why is it good?
What are ORM's, Whats the benefits? (ease of use, fluent api, auto migrations, no SQL/Stored Procedures needed, versioning of your DB through the domain etc). what are the disadvantages? ( slow, cumbersome, heavy,abstract too much away)
Version Control(SVN/Mercurial for Java... TFS/SVN for .NET (Github for all))
if you done java in college:
learn:
1. Learn how Hibernate works
2. Learn how the Spring container works (Spring Data, IOC Container,
3. Maven/Ant
If you done c#/vb.net in college:
1. Learn how EntityFramework works (ORM)
2. WCF basics, create a simple app, DAO layer, Business Logic layer, Service layer, and web layer. (see the nerddinner example for what this should look like!!)
3. MVC pattern, have an understanding of what it is, how MS makes it so much easier with their implementation of MVC (ASP.net MVC).
4. Inversion of Control containers (Unity, CastleWindsor or one of them)
if you can talk for a few minutes confidently even half of this , you will be a valuable software developer because in my experience these arent focused on in college for the vast majority of grads... which is mind boggling!!
If you have a core understanding of OO development (ie. 6 points above) , you will get a job, it wont matter what technologies you wont know.
I dont mean to overload you or anything but if I had been reading this stuff 7 years ago when I left college, I would have made it alot easier on myself
Good luck in the search.. and apologies if the answer is a bit all over the place..
That's really good point and answer, thank you! Will do something that you wrote, I think its very good0
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