Is Jose going too far?

Deeper Blue

I've never understood the love for Mourinho tbh. The man is pure poison.

Turtwig

Le Requin wrote: »

I've never understood the love for Mourinho tbh. The man is pure poison.

It's the british tabloid media. Everytime Mou wins it's tactical genius, everytime they lose it's down to the lack of heart from the players. He's a master at mind games. That's the image he's got and every story and report must fulfil that.

Kess73

cson wrote: »

Saying Mancini left him a 5 a side team at Inter, I swear he's like something out of the WWE. He'll be calling out The Rock and The Undertaker at this rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOcVqCmap5g

J. Marston

José Mourinho has claimed Ramires's ugly foul and red card in Saturday's Premier League defeat at Aston Villa was largely borne of frustration at the referee Chris Foy's slapdash performance

What was wrong with Foy's performance? Matic's goal rightly ruled out. Willian rightly got a second yellow (raising your arms up in innocence doesn't absolve you of running into the back of a player...) and Ramires was rightly sent off.

Common consensus is that referees are judged on big decisions and Foy got three out of three correct, in my opinion.

LiamoSail

J. Marston wrote: »

What was wrong with Foy's performance? Matic's goal rightly ruled out. Willian rightly got a second yellow (raising your arms up in innocence doesn't absolve you of running into the back of a player...) and Ramires was rightly sent off.

Common consensus is that referees are judged on big decisions and Foy got three out of three correct, in my opinion.

I thought Willian's second yellow was harsh, could have gone either way, while Villa should have had a man sent off. That aside, the disallowed goal and Ramires red were justified.

While no doubt frustrating, neither of his mistakes were all that outrageous. A harsh yellow and not sending a debatable last man off is pretty much par for the course

rob316

Uggh mourinho was great crack in his first spell at chelsea now he is unbearable. League is rid of one classless manager in ferguson and is replaced by this guy.
His insistence on playing down chelsea title chances is bordering on idiotic at this stage too,who does he think he is kidding.

Great manager no doubt but just zip it jose please.

Marty McFly

GavRedKing wrote: »

It really doesnt matter what any other set of fans think, neutral, rival, it doesnt matter a jot, as long as Jose has the Chelsea fans on side thats all that matters, his antics and actions can wind up everyone for all I care, as long as hes doing a good job results wise, thats all that matters in football.

But what happens if Chelsea finish the season empty handed? Which is a big possibility.

Can you still over look his flaws? Can you still say you don't care?

He is no doubt a great manager but one that I feel is very tiresome and one that will bring down the reputation of any club especially from the neutrals point of view, if he fails to bring silverware the shine will quickly fade of Eamon Dunphy esque quotes.

Panthro

Jesus, the way José is talking about the ref you would think there was a game on tonight that he's trying to deflect attention away from...oh wait...
Ramires yes fair enough, but willians second yellow was s farce. No more than a foul and free kick and a gentle reminder he's on a yellow.
I dont think cm any Blues fans expected Chelsea to be where they are right now tbh. A good showing in the league and a place in the top four would have been dandy for most at the start of the campaign.
can't see José expecting a whole lot more than that either tbh.
If that is the case, we're on course.

Agueroooo

all unfolding beautifully.

Marty McFly

Panthro wrote: »

Jesus, the way José is talking about the ref you would think there was a game on tonight that he's trying to deflect attention away from...oh wait...
Ramires yes fair enough, but willians second yellow was s farce. No more than a foul and free kick and a gentle reminder he's on a yellow.
I dont think cm any Blues fans expected Chelsea to be where they are right now tbh. A good showing in the league and a place in the top four would have been dandy for most at the start of the campaign.
can't see José expecting a whole lot more than that either tbh.
If that is the case, we're on course.

You really can't be serious?

Turtyturd

It's bizarre that Chelsea fans think the Willian sending off was a farce. It was harsh at worst but you see cards given out for that type of cynical foul in most games. He gave the ref a decision to make so he can have no complaints.

EuropeanSon

Marty McFly wrote: »

You really can't be serious?

Jose has them brainwashed. The vast sums they spent this year, and they would've been happy with top 4? Nonsense.

They weren't exactly starting from scratch either.

Essien

Marty McFly wrote: »

You really can't be serious?

Personally I expected us to finish 2nd at the start of the year, never once expected the league, still don't either.

rob316

Essien wrote: »

Personally I expected us to finish 2nd at the start of the year, never once expected the league, still don't either.

Even with a blunt strike force, you are having a laugh if you think Chelsea wouldn't challenge for the league with that squad. Mourinho is a top class manager and motivator who has been here before and knows exactly what it takes. I called Chelsea at the start of the season and I still do.

Panthro

Marty McFly wrote: »

You really can't be serious?

I am.
Player for player City are a better team than Chelsea, especially up front.
The only reason Chelsea are sitting pretty on top at the minute is because City have games in hand.
City should win the EPL, if Chelsea win it'll be hilariously unexpected from me.

Essien

rob316 wrote: »

Even with a blunt strike force, you are having a laugh if you think Chelsea wouldn't challenge for the league with that squad. Mourinho is a top class manager and motivator who has been here before and knows exactly what it takes. I called Chelsea at the start of the season and I still do.

I didn't say we won't challenge, I said I don't think we'll win it. The blunt strike force is the reason for that. If we do it, it'll be in spite of our poor attackers. I'm aware we have a fantastic squad but I just think it'll take lot to win the league when our forwards aren't chipping in enough.

We've a great keeper, defense, midfield, the best manager and if we had an Aguero or Saurez I'd make us favourites, but we don't, so we're not IMO.

ronjo

Essien wrote: »

I didn't say we won't challenge, I said I don't think we'll win it. The blunt strike force is the reason for that. If we do it, it'll be in spite of our poor attackers. I'm aware we have a fantastic squad but I just think it'll take lot to win the league when our forwards aren't chipping in enough.

We've a great keeper, defense, midfield, the best manager and if we had an Aguero or Saurez I'd make us favourites, but we don't, so we're not IMO.

That's fair enough. It's a long way though from being happy with top 4 like the other guy said

Panthro

ronjo wrote: »

That's fair enough. It's a long way though from being happy with top 4 like the other guy said

I've said I didn't think we would win the league. I've said I'd have taken a good showing and atop four spot. I never said aanything about not challenging, or do teams in the top four not mount a challenge these days?

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

Essien wrote: »

I didn't say we won't challenge, I said I don't think we'll win it. The blunt strike force is the reason for that. If we do it, it'll be in spite of our poor attackers. I'm aware we have a fantastic squad but I just think it'll take lot to win the league when our forwards aren't chipping in enough.

We've a great keeper, defense, midfield, the best manager and if we had an Aguero or Saurez I'd make us favourites, but we don't, so we're not IMO.

Chelsea have a better defense and possibly midfield (when you look at the depth of options) than City. This no strikers talk is getting tiresome. For Chelseas poor attack read Citys lack of options at center back. Also have a manager who has been there and done that, which is a big advantage.

Paulegend

niallo24 wrote: »

Chelsea have a better defense and possibly midfield (when you look at the depth of options) than City. This no strikers talk is getting tiresome. For Chelseas poor attack read Citys lack of options at center back. Also have a manager who has been there and done that, which is a big advantage.

torres ba oscar hazard lamps etoo willian lukaku (on loan) mata (just sold)


yea poor chelsea had no attacking options going into this season

Essien

niallo24 wrote: »

This no strikers talk is getting tiresome. For Chelseas poor attack read Citys lack of options at center back. Also have a manager who has been there and done that, which is a big advantage.

Well it's the truth, it might be tiresome, but it doesn't make it wrong. I think Citys squad is better, I'm not saying we're rubbish, just not the best because of our poor forwards. And yes, our manager is also the best, I highly doubt any Chelsea fan said otherwise, If we win it this year he'll have been the main difference.

Paulegend wrote: »

torres ba oscar hazard lamps etoo willian lukaku (on loan) mata (just sold)


yea poor chelsea had no attacking options going into this season

Who said we had no attacking options? And who put down Willian, Hazard, Lampard and Oscar? Mata and Lukaku don't play for us, so they're irrelevant. I said we've a quality midfield, those players are a part of that. If our midfield can keep doing the strikers work then yeah, we'll probably win the league, but that's just being unrealistic. It's very difficult to win the league with forwards who don't score.

I don't get why this is so difficult to understand.

Paulegend

Essien wrote: »

Well it's the truth, it might be tiresome, but it doesn't make it wrong. I think Citys squad is better, I'm not saying we're rubbish, just not the best because of our poor forwards. And yes, our manager is also the best, I highly doubt any Chelsea fan said otherwise, If we win it this year he'll have been the main difference.



Who said we had no attacking options? And who put down Willian, Hazard, Lampard and Oscar? Mata and Lukaku don't play for us, so they're irrelevant. I said we've a quality midfield, those players are a part of that. If our midfield can keep doing the strikers work then yeah, we'll probably win the league, but that's just being unrealistic. It's very difficult to win the league with forwards who don't score.

I don't get why this is so difficult to understand.

ok so who decided that lukaku should go out on loan?

who sold mata?

fact is chelsea have more goal scoring midfielders than all the other title contenders

if ye needed a striker so badly there is only one man to blame for not bringing one in

chelsea where title favourites before the season began. more so than even city

GavRedKing

Well lukaku handed in transfer request and he was then loaned out instead.

Panthro

Did Chelsea go for a striker at the beginning of the season?
I can't remember..

hullaballoo

Paulegend wrote: »

ok so who decided that lukaku should go out on loan?

Lukaku requested it after missing a pen in the Super Cup.

who sold mata?

Mata was unable to get into the team so that's irrelevant as well.

fact is chelsea have more goal scoring midfielders than all the other title contenders

What does that have to do with the fact that the strikers aren't scoring goals?

if ye needed a striker so badly there is only one man to blame for not bringing one in

Mourinho brought in Eto'o.

chelsea where title favourites before the season began. more so than even city

No, they were joint favourites with City and United. http://www.betinf.com/prev_england.htm

Jose is not annoying or tiresome for Chelsea fans and the fact that he winds other people up doesn't make the blindest difference to the club or its fans either.

As it stands, Chelsea are not title favourites at 2/1. City are at 6/4. Even as a Chelsea fan, I would not be prepared to back Chelsea to win at this stage. It would be a poor reflection of this season if Chelsea were to go on to win from here. Liverpool and City have played the best football this year.

ronjo

Panthro wrote: »

I've said I didn't think we would win the league. I've said I'd have taken a good showing and atop four spot. I never said aanything about not challenging, or do teams in the top four not mount a challenge these days?

How many times in the last 20 years has the team in 4th seriously challenged?

Panthro

ronjo wrote: »

How many times in the last 20 years has the team in 4th seriously challenged?

Sigh, seem as you're trying to nit pick my words for me, I'll be pedantic here and point out that I didn't specify the 4th spot. I said "a place in the top four".

Panthro wrote: »

A good showing in the league and a place in the top four would have been dandy for most at the start of the campaign.

That includes the 2nd and 3rd places which, over the past few years, have put in decent challenges for the top spot.

ronjo

Panthro wrote: »

Sigh, seem as you're trying to nit pick my words for me, I'll be pedantic here and point out that I didn't specify the 4th spot. I said "a place in the top four".




That includes the 2nd and 3rd places which, over the past few years, have put in decent challenges for the top spot.

You can save your sighs and nit pick accusations because it wasn't what I was doing.

Panthro

ronjo wrote: »

You can save your sighs and nit pick accusations because it wasn't what I was doing.

yeah, right.
I think we're done here.

dfx-

Blatter wrote: »

He's completely taking the piss at this stage.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/17/jose-mourinho-chris-foy-ramires-red-card-aston-villa?CMP=twt_gu

Just listened to his post-Villa match interview with Pat Murphy on BBC radio there.

Great interviewer, Lambert really doesn't like him, Wolves chairman really doesn't like him, Mourinho didn't like it. He was probably pushing the emergency Crooks or Shreeves button

Sheepy99

rob316 wrote: »

Uggh mourinho was great crack in his first spell at chelsea now he is unbearable. League is rid of one classless manager in ferguson and is replaced by this guy.
His insistence on playing down chelsea title chances is bordering on idiotic at this stage too,who does he think he is kidding.

Great manager no doubt but just zip it jose please.

How can you be so easily annoyed?
Slight pick up in the breeze must really grind your gears!

Agueroooo

The Daily B.S Express.

ZZzzzzz

http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/jose-mourinho-trolls-old-foe-mancini-drogba-was-let-down-by-galtasaray-tactics/

Paulegend

jose is an embarrassment. chelsea fans are trying to back up his antics saying that he is affecting them but the truth is that they arent as proud of the things he is saying this time around. he is just a disrespectful spoilt child

ciaran76

I think Jose has played the game excellent to be honest.

Everyone is talking about him and his antics and there is hardly a mention of the Ramires tackle.

Any other game and people would be harping on about that tackle for a few days after the incident.

RayCon

ciaran76 wrote: »

Everyone is talking about him and his antics and there is hardly a mention of the Ramires tackle.

I can't believe it continues to work ... the media just keep falling for it.

ciaran76

RayCon wrote: »

I can't believe it continues to work ... the media just keep falling for it.

I was talking in work yesterday and when everyone was talking about him being on the pitch and the ref.

I asked about the tackle and out of 4 people only 1 remembered the tackle.

GavRedKing

If we win the league its only going to get better, hes going to say the best team didnt win it and this palce is going to go into meltdown, I really cant wait, thats if it happens.

Panthro

GavRedKing wrote: »

If we win the league its only going to get better, hes going to say the best team didnt win it and this palce is going to go into meltdown, I really cant wait, thats if it happens.

And he'd be right!
Gwan José!

Grayditch

Mind games I don't mind. Deflecting issues, grand. Insulting managers, not mad about that. All these things could be put down to him just being a troll, but... the gouge. That's when it changed the game a bit.

Of course, that's nothing to do with his current term as a Chelsea manager, but it's always gonna be in people's minds.

KingdomYid

If I hear his voice now I just change the channel, is the only way because he is not going to change the record anytime soon is he.

Mr Alan

ciaran76 wrote: »

Everyone is talking about him and his antics and there is hardly a mention of the Ramires tackle.

Any other game and people would be harping on about that tackle for a few days after the incident.

RayCon wrote: »

I can't believe it continues to work ... the media just keep falling for it.

There's been plenty of talk about how bad the tackle was?

kfallon

Real Madrid can't believe their luck this season, a manager every bit as good as Mourinho but absolutely none of the antics, the BS, the controversy....and they are top of the league!

cson

Ancelotti's a class act in fairness.

rob316

cson wrote: »

Ancelotti's a class act in fairness.

+1

Of all the top elder managers he is my favourite. Mourinho was a disgrace at Madrid. The media, the players, the club all saw through his antics.

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

If we win the league its only going to get better, hes going to say the best team didnt win it and this palce is going to go into meltdown, I really cant wait, thats if it happens.

20 quid your way if he says that!

I'd imagine he'd say the complete opposite tbh

MaroonAndGreen

I think he'd definitely say that the best team didnt win if Chelsea do win the league, its a fact that Chelsea arent the best team and thats what hes been saying all along

T-K-O

ciaran76 wrote: »

I think Jose has played the game excellent to be honest.

Everyone is talking about him and his antics and there is hardly a mention of the Ramires tackle.

Any other game and people would be harping on about that tackle for a few days after the incident.

That old chestnut, Jose is a media whore and loves the attention. It has nothing to do with keeping the press away from his players.

Jose is like a 25 year old woman who acts like a 15 year old - it's cute when their 15 not so much at 25.

KingdomYid

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I think he'd definitely say that the best team didnt win if Chelsea do win the league, its a fact that Chelsea arent the best team and thats what hes been saying all along

Whoever wins the league over 38 games is the best team, may not be the nicest to watch or most exciting but are by definition the best team of the season surely.

MaroonAndGreen

KingdomYid wrote: »

Whoever wins the league over 38 games is the best team, may not be the nicest to watch or most exciting but are by definition the best team of the season surely.

Maybe so.

Its extremely tight between 4 teams so.

Turtwig

KingdomYid wrote: »

Whoever wins the league over 38 games is the best team, may not be the nicest to watch or most exciting but are by definition the best team of the season surely.

Not really. Injuries, luck, fixture order, opposition game style/form, individual brilliance/incompetence can all play a part. The best team doesn't always win the league. The best team is the team that when played against against each other team in the league ten times in ideal conditions will win the highest proportion of matches. (Spherical teams in the vacuum, if you will. )