Is Jose going too far?

Blatter

Jernal wrote: »

Not really. Injuries, luck, fixture order, opposition game style/form, individual brilliance/incompetence can all play a part. The best team doesn't always win the league. The best team is the team that when played against against each other team in the league ten times in ideal conditions will win the highest proportion of matches. (Spherical teams in the vacuum, if you will. )

That team would clearly be City imo.

spiralism

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I think he'd definitely say that the best team didnt win if Chelsea do win the league, its a fact that Chelsea arent the best team and thats what hes been saying all along

Such a bollocks argument that is too. Best team over 38 games is always the one who wins the league, it's why winning the league is such an achievement.

MaroonAndGreen

spiralism wrote: »

Such a bollocks argument that is too. Best team over 38 games is always the one who wins the league, it's why winning the league is such an achievement.

I think If Aguero hadnt been injured City would be in an even better position now and almost champions already

Daemos

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I think If Aguero hadnt been injured City would be in an even better position now and almost champions already

If any team needs one particular player on the pitch all the time, then they're not a great team

Turtwig

Daemos wrote: »

If any team needs one particular player on the pitch all the time, then they're not a great team

The Spain side of the last World Cup and Euros is a great side. Yet if you removed Xavi they'd be no where near as coherent. It's not that they need Xavi to be great it's more a case that every team has players who make them more coherent and lethal. When a team is built a certain way it becomes inevitable that certain players will be linchpins in that side. Removing those players suddenly will invariably impact the team's performance. If they have to adjust vs a bottom end side then that's ok but if they have adjust against Top 4 sides then it's likely going to alter the course of their season a little bit.

cson

Maureen being needlessly crass again in his presser, just can't resist having a go at Wenger. He really is embarrassing.

Playing the woe is me me card too for the CL saying they're the team everyone else will want.

He loves a good aul pity party.

MaroonAndGreen

cson wrote: »

Maureen being needlessly crass again in his presser, just can't resist having a go at Wenger. He really is embarrassing.

Playing the woe is me me card too for the CL saying they're the team everyone else will want.

He loves a good aul pity party.

Clearly said he admires Wenger.

And also other than United, then Chelsea are the team they all want!

ronjo

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Clearly said he admires Wenger.

And also other than United, then Chelsea are the team they all want!

CLEARLY? REALLY? Read the rest of the sentence

I admire Wenger & Arsenal, a club that stands by their manager in bad moments - when the bad moments were quite a lot

MaroonAndGreen

ronjo wrote: »

CLEARLY? REALLY? Read the rest of the sentence

I admire Wenger & Arsenal, a club that stands by their manager in bad moments - when the bad moments were quite a lot

WTF? Whats wrong with that????

Cos he reffered to their bad seasons is it? Are we supposed to pretend Arsenal have won trophies in the last 9 seasons is it? :rolleyes:

ronjo

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MaroonAndGreen

ronjo wrote: »

Its called having a bit of dignity.

How come every club and manager can acknowledge that United are having a 'bad moment' now, but were not allowed to refer to Arsenal's struggles is it?

weldoninhio

Mou is a poison in the game. From his cynical tactics, his sideline antics, his self-centred press conferences and his disrespect towards everyone in the game. He was found out by the Italian and Spanish media, but the English sheep lap up his nonsense.

Frankie Lee

weldoninhio wrote: »

Mou is a poison in the game. From his cynical tactics, his sideline antics, his self-centred press conferences and his disrespect towards everyone in the game. He was found out by the Italian and Spanish media, but the English sheep lap up his nonsense.

Definitely found out in Italy anyway

weldoninhio

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Definitely found out in Italy anyway

What has that picture got to do with being found out by the media??

EuropeanSon

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

How come every club and manager can acknowledge that United are having a 'bad moment' now, but were not allowed to refer to Arsenal's struggles is it?

We performed better than all teams except the teams who had vastly more resources than us (we had the 4th most resources by a distance, and came 4th or better always), that's very different to the team with the 3rd most resources (in real terms, given that Chelsea and City spend basically limitless amounts) being 7th.

The "struggles" are on different orders of magnitude really.

MaroonAndGreen

EuropeanSon wrote: »

We performed better than all teams except the teams who had vastly more resources than us (we had the 4th most resources by a distance, and came 4th or better always), that's very different to the team with the 3rd most resources (in real terms, given that Chelsea and City spend basically limitless amounts) being 7th.

The "struggles" are on different orders of magnitude really.

I remember a few times when Arsenal fans were calling for Wengers head over the years. Why cant Jose mention that Arsenal have had a few bad times over the last few years? Just cos hes Jose is it?

Grayditch

He can do it. And be unprofessional doing so. It's on the back of him calling Wenger "A specialist in failure", so if this isn't carrying on from that, it's a coincidence that certainly doesn't help.

Turtyturd

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Definitely found out in Italy anyway

The 'not being found out by the media' trophy really looks a lot like the CL trophy.

Would love for him to hang around long enough for the English media to see him for what he is, but I reckon he will have moved on to managing Portugal by then.

Grayditch

The English newspapers probably DO see through it and have figured out it sells anyways. It sells to people that love him and it sells to people that hate him.

It's people that need to see through it, and/or ignore him...

including me, probably!

EuropeanSon

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I remember a few times when Arsenal fans were calling for Wengers head over the years. Why cant Jose mention that Arsenal have had a few bad times over the last few years? Just cos hes Jose is it?

Very few ever called for Wenger's head, and nobody ever listened.

And Jose can of course say what he likes, but being a snide bollox when commenting on the achievement of another is rather childish, that's all.

T-K-O

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Very few ever called for Wenger's head, and nobody ever listened.

And Jose can of course say what he likes, but being a snide bollox when commenting on the achievement of another is rather childish, that's all.

I just saw his press conference on sky and I couldn't think of a better description.

weldoninhio

Telling a ballboy at Palace to hurry up or one of his players might punch him.

What a classless oik. Sooner Roman gets fed up with him again and he leaves English football the better.

jive

He is a character, don't know how anyone takes him seriously or gets annoyed by what he says. Only thing anyone can have a real go at him for was what he did against Barcelona, everything else is just nonsense

gosplan

Loving the fact that the league is slipping from Chelsea.

Nothing against the club but think not winning anything might send Jose around the bend.

On the other hand, there is always the CL. Yeah people will say Real, Barca or Bayern have better teams but Jose has an insane ability to get things perfect for the big games: 13 points out of 15 vrs the other top 3!!!

If they can get through a 2 leg semi, they'd be a horrible team for anyone to meet in a final.

.jacksparrow.

Peoples true character always shines through in the end.

GavRedKing

gosplan wrote: »

Loving the fact that the league is slipping from Chelsea.

Nothing against the club but think not winning anything might send Jose around the bend.

On the other hand, there is always the CL. Yeah people will say Real, Barca or Bayern have better teams but Jose has an insane ability to get things perfect for the big games: 13 points out of 15 vrs the other top 3!!!

If they can get through a 2 leg semi, they'd be a horrible team for anyone to meet in a final.

We'll be doing very well to beat PSG, while we;ve played well away from home against the "bigger" teams, if we come up against a team able to contain the supporting 3 we're knackered, Eto'o is out fo the 1st leg and Torres is beyond useless.

Pighead

GavRedKing wrote: »

We'll be doing very well to beat PSG, while we;ve played well away from home against the "bigger" teams, if we come up against a team able to contain the supporting 3 we're knackered, Eto'o is out fo the 1st leg and Torres is beyond useless.

Torres is far from beyond useless. He had a bad game on Saturday but he was really good in the previous game against Arsenal and has played well this season whenever I have seen him. Obviously he's never gonna be as good as the Torres from four or five years ago but he's still a very good player.

.jacksparrow.

Jose has 3 good strikers that most teams wouldnt mind the option of having.

Its a bad excuse blaming them on the teams shortcomings.

5live

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Jose has 3 good strikers that most teams wouldnt mind the option of having.

Its a bad excuse blaming them on the teams shortcomings.

MY GOD!

You cant be suggesting that its Mourinhos fault that he didnt buy a striker in the previous 2 transfer windows and that other teams are playing as good as chelsea after they strengthened?

RED TOP MELTDOWN!:)

Grayditch

Don't like the chap, but I'm definitely not going to pretend to be offended by the new ball boy thing.

What is is with Chelsea and ball boys, though?

GavRedKing

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Jose has 3 good strikers that most teams wouldnt mind the option of having.

Its a bad excuse blaming them on the teams shortcomings.

3 good CFs isnt good enough, you need at least one world class CF and good back ups, you should know, yere stuck with Giroud.

Look at Liverpool, City and Utd, theyve better options then Arsenal and Chelsea.

Arsenal tried to get Suarez and Higauin and failed with both and if it wasnt for Lukaku throwing his toys out of the pram ye'd have got Ba on loan.

We tried to get Rooney and failed and we were meant to be in for Cavani but PSG stumped up huge money for him.

The market for quality CFs isnt huge nor is it cheap, we're lucky Eto'o has scored important goals against Liverpool, Spurs, Utd and Arsenal but hes not a long term option and was only brought in when the Rooney bid failed.

NIMAN

Jose is classless.

.jacksparrow.

GavRedKing wrote: »

3 good CFs isnt good enough, you need at least one world class CF and good back ups, you should know, yere stuck with Giroud.

Look at Liverpool, City and Utd, theyve better options then Arsenal and Chelsea.

Arsenal tried to get Suarez and Higauoin and failed with both and if it wasnt for Lukaku throwing his toys out of the pram ye'd have got Ba on loan.


We tried to get Rooney and failed and we were meant to be in for Cavani but PSG stumped up huge money for him.

The market for quality CFs isnt huge nor is it cheap, we're lucky Eto'o has scored important goals against Liverpool, Spurs, Utd and Arsenal but hes not a long term option and was only brought in when the Rooney bid failed.

Exactly there is no quality cfs out there, having 3 decent ones is a good option.

.jacksparrow.

GavRedKing wrote: »

3 good CFs isnt good enough, you need at least one world class CF and good back ups, you should know, yere stuck with Giroud.

Look at Liverpool, City and Utd, theyve better options then Arsenal and Chelsea.

Arsenal tried to get Suarez and Higauoin and failed with both and if it wasnt for Lukaku throwing his toys out of the pram ye'd have got Ba on loan.


We tried to get Rooney and failed and we were meant to be in for Cavani but PSG stumped up huge money for him.

The market for quality CFs isnt huge nor is it cheap, we're lucky Eto'o has scored important goals against Liverpool, Spurs, Utd and Arsenal but hes not a long term option and was only brought in when the Rooney bid failed.

Exactly there is no quality cfs out there, having 3 decent ones is a good option.

LuckyLloyd

NIMAN wrote: »

Jose is classless.

Agreed. He's also a winner.

redman85

NIMAN wrote: »

Jose is classless.

Jose came and congratulated our players. I thought that was very classy," Kemp is quoted as saying by the London Evening Standard.

Pretty classy if you ask me ...

slingerz

GavRedKing wrote: »

3 good CFs isnt good enough, you need at least one world class CF and good back ups, you should know, yere stuck with Giroud.

Look at Liverpool, City and Utd, theyve better options then Arsenal and Chelsea.

Arsenal tried to get Suarez and Higauin and failed with both and if it wasnt for Lukaku throwing his toys out of the pram ye'd have got Ba on loan.

We tried to get Rooney and failed and we were meant to be in for Cavani but PSG stumped up huge money for him.

The market for quality CFs isnt huge nor is it cheap, we're lucky Eto'o has scored important goals against Liverpool, Spurs, Utd and Arsenal but hes not a long term option and was only brought in when the Rooney bid failed.

Liverpool have 2 strikers, 1 world class and 1 good one. Aspas isnt even good backup

Skylinehead

redman85 wrote: »

Pretty classy if you ask me ...

Think the Vilanova eyegouging confirms him as classless.

.jacksparrow.

redman85 wrote: »

Pretty classy if you ask me ...

Saving face.

.jacksparrow.

redman85 wrote: »

Pretty classy if you ask me ...

Saving face.

LiamoSail

For someone who's success at Porto, Inter and to a lesser extent Chelsea was unprecedented, the last few years have been far leaner.

Sacked by Real after just one league title in a three year stint, if he were to finish up empty handed this season, I'd imagine the pressure would be on him next year. Chelsea aren't a club renowned for giving managers time and with the budget and squad he has at his disposal, not to win the league would be a failure, particularly for someone who had been so successful.

That said, this season is far from over and I'd be reluctant to bet against Chelsea for either the CL or league

jive

LiamoSail wrote: »

For someone who's success at Porto, Inter and to a lesser extent Chelsea was unprecedented, the last few years have been far leaner.

Sacked by Real after just one league title in a three year stint, if he were to finish up empty handed this season, I'd imagine the pressure would be on him next year. Chelsea aren't a club renowned for giving managers time and with the budget and squad he has at his disposal, not to win the league would be a failure, particularly for someone who had been so successful.

That said, this season is far from over and I'd be reluctant to bet against Chelsea for either the CL or league

Leaner last few years but doesn't tell the whole story, he still did well at Madrid. Don't think anyone can question him as a manager. Can't see Chelsea getting rid of him, he's arguably the best manager in football and with Pep at Bayern I don't see them getting rid.

GavRedKing

Jose wont be sacked even if he doesnt win something next season, unless he wants out, we wont be replacing him anytime soon.

weldoninhio

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose wont be sacked even if he doesnt win something next season, unless he wants out, we wont be replacing him anytime soon.

Yeah, if we've seen anything over the last few years it's how patient Abramovich is with non-performing managers.

Agueroooo

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose wont be sacked even if he doesnt win something next season, unless he wants out, we wont be replacing him anytime soon.

I might be wrong but I sense Chelsea/RA are fed up of the managerial merry-go-round, and the approach to Mourinho for a return was a part of a longterm plan now in place.

and the lip service Mourinho has paid to FFP on a couple of occasions now speaks a thousand words for me.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea started surprising some with transfer activity coming more into the 'norm'

we will see but.

GavRedKing

Agueroooo wrote: »

I might be wrong but I sense Chelsea/RA are fed up of the managerial merry-go-round, and the approach to Mourinho for a return was a part of a longterm plan now in place.

and the lip service Mourinho has paid to FFP on a couple of occasions now speaks a thousand words for me.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea started surprising some with transfer activity coming more into the 'norm'

we will see but.

Mata and de bruyne were sold for matic salah and zouma, thats decent business to me and balances the ffp books somewhat we'll probably see more of the same this summer regarding cech lukaku and maybe luiz and mikel to offset an incoming cf

Demosthenese

Mourinho will surely add a world class striker this summer - and probably cover for some key areas as well, splash the cash and then accuse City of buying the league ... which is gas stuff. Mourinho gets credit for mind games and all sorts of stuff when he usually just has the better team! He is a good manager though, probably only Pep would be held in bigger regard and rightly so. They are a decent outside bet for the CL cos on their day they are a hard team to beat and still very much in the race for the PL - despite the impossible nonsense he spouts.

All this rubbish about small horses and impossible to win the league despite being within touching distance, i wonder if he actually believes it or just thinks that everyone is thick enough to swallow it.

LiamoSail

jive wrote: »

Can't see Chelsea getting rid of him, he's arguably the best manager in football and with Pep at Bayern I don't see them getting rid.

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose wont be sacked even if he doesnt win something next season, unless he wants out, we wont be replacing him anytime soon.

Chelsea aren't patient with managers and Mourinho doesn't have a record of hanging around clubs long. He's been sacked once before by Chelsea, I see no reason to doubt history could repeat itself, or for the abundance of optimism to the contrary

batistuta9

Demosthenese wrote: »

All this rubbish about small horses and impossible to win the league despite being within touching distance, i wonder if he actually believes it or just thinks that everyone is thick enough to swallow it.

they were talking about frank lampards book the other week on second captains, books from years ago now, anyway one of the first things mourinho told them when he arrived was they were going to win the league & publicly he'll be saying they can't but don't mind what he says in public, they're going to win the league


he also had a meeting with journos to ask them why they gave wenger such an easy time of it, this was not long after he came too. heard it on the sunday supplement

MaroonAndGreen

The main reason people have a problem with Jose:

HES SUCCESSFUL

Nobody would care if he wasn't!