Minister Shatter and Commissioner Callinan should both resign in disgrace

brooke 2

bajer101 wrote: »

It would seem to be what has happened and why Shatter and Callinan are still in situ today. I really thought that Shatter would step down today and that the fact that Kenny also knew about the dossier of cases wouldn't be highlighted as people would be happy enough with Shatter and Callinan stepping down. I think this still has legs. The husband of Sylvia Roche-Kelly has a case in the high court on Monday suing the State over her death. That is the sort of emotive issue that could tip it all over the edge.

Heard Dearbhail McDonald say today that the Roche Kelly
case will not be heard on Monday - postponed, I believe.

Banjo String

brooke 2 wrote: »

Heard Dearbhail McDonald say today that the Roche Kelly
case will not be heard on Monday - postponed, I believe.

How convenient.

I'm guessing postponed until, eh..... Sometime after the local elections???

Harry Angstrom

brooke 2 wrote: »

Heard Dearbhail McDonald say today that the Roche Kelly
case will not be heard on Monday - postponed, I believe.

Unfortunately, I doubt he'll get very far with this case. The judiciary will most likely close ranks so as not to set a precedent which could trip up the Gardai in the future.

fr3d12

michael999999 wrote: »

Michael martin would want to be careful in he's chasing down of callinan and the guards. He wouldn't want to be getting them looking too closely into hes own party!

Callinan won't take on any political party in the way you suggest, he obviously intends to try and hold onto his position and won't risk alienating FF with a general election in two years.

brooke 2 wrote: »

Noonan's comment was shocking - but typical for him.

Wasn't he the Minister for Health when Brigid McCole was hounded to her grave?

Yes he was.

Harry Angstrom

brooke 2 wrote: »

Noonan's comment was shocking - but typical for him.

Wasn't he the Minister for Health when Brigid McCole was hounded to her grave?

It angers me a lot to see that this bully is still calling the shots with such a high position in government. He should have been cast out to the political wilderness after his shameful treatment of Brigid McCole and her family. The man makes my blood boil.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/an-unspeakable-act-of-betrayal-26255999.html

fr3d12

brooke 2 wrote: »

Heard Dearbhail McDonald say today that the Roche Kelly
case will not be heard on Monday - postponed, I believe.

Kenny and Gilmore met today to discuss the WB allegations and probably the Govt. strategy in dealing with this.
They are supposed to be meeting tomorrow as well so I'm sure this has a bearing on the postponement.

brooke 2

michael999999 wrote: »

Michael martin would want to be careful in he's chasing down of callinan and the guards. He wouldn't want to be getting them looking too closely into hes own party!

MM is out for Shatter's blood. He was very reluctant during the week to say anything about Callinan. Still have to hear him say
'Callinan's position as Commissioner is untenable'!! MM is only
playing politics with this!!

brooke 2

Banjo String wrote: »

How convenient.

I'm guessing postponed until, eh..... Sometime after the local elections???

There was no way they were allowing that to go ahead at the moment.

charlie14

brooke 2 wrote: »

MM is out for Shatter's blood. He was very reluctant during the week to say anything about Callinan. Still have to hear him say
'Callinan's position as Commissioner is untenable'!! MM is only
playing politics with this!!

Maybe he learned from history that fighting battles on two fronts can weaken your effectiveness. Get rid of Shatter and Callinan`s position is untenable IMO.

brooke 2

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

It angers me a lot to see that this bully is still calling the shots with such a high position in government. He should have been cast out to the political wilderness after his shameful treatment of Brigid McCole and her family. The man makes my blood boil.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/an-unspeakable-act-of-betrayal-26255999.html

People should never be allowed to forget the despicable treatment that woman received. Noonan had no luck for it afterwards.

charlie14

fr3d12 wrote: »

Kenny and Gilmore met today to discuss the WB allegations and probably the Govt. strategy in dealing with this.
They are supposed to be meeting tomorrow as well so I'm sure this has a bearing on the postponement.

They express complete confidence in Shatter as minister for justice yesterday, and meet today to discuss the allegations!!
I`d have though at least one of them would have heard the expression "CART BEFORE THE HORSE"
Not an ounce of shame in either of them.

fr3d12

charlie14 wrote: »

They express complete confidence in Shatter as minister for justice yesterday, and meet today to discuss the allegations!!
I`d have though at least one of them would have heard the expression "CART BEFORE THE HORSE"
Not an ounce of shame in either of them.

No Govt. Minister will say otherwise because it would be admitting Shatter was guilty of seriously mishandling the situation at the very least, Kenny by condemning Shatter now would also be admitting his role in all of this considering the his office was also furnished with the report two years ago.

As for them having shame of course they have none, Kenny made this quite clear last year when he refused for so long to apologise to the Magdalene survivors and even then when he eventually said sorry it was so evident he wasn't sincere.

michael999999

fr3d12 wrote: »

No Govt. Minister will say otherwise because it would be admitting Shatter was guilty of seriously mishandling the situation at the very least, Kenny by condemning Shatter now would also be admitting his role in all of this considering the his office was also furnished with the report two years ago.

As for them having shame of course they have none, Kenny made this quite clear last year when he refused for so long to apologise to the Magdalene survivors and even then when he eventually said sorry it was so evident he wasn't sincere.

To say there was no sincerity in the Magdaline apology is bull**** to be honest!

fr3d12

michael999999 wrote: »

To say there was no sincerity in the Magdaline apology is bull**** to be honest!

When an apology had to dragged kicking and screaming from him it has no sincerity, he caused those women a lot of anguish with a needless delay, Kenny hasn't a sincere bone in his body, he's always been full of bluster.

So are you a loyal party member then?

Banjo String

fr3d12 wrote: »

When an apology had to dragged kicking and screaming from him it has no sincerity, he caused those women a lot of anguish with a needless delay, Kenny hasn't a sincere bone in his body, he's always been full of bluster.

So are you a loyal party member then ?

I think you're most definitely barking up the wrong tree there lol.

fr3d12

Banjo String wrote: »

I think you're most definitely barking up the wrong tree there lol.

The only people I've heard defending Kenny's handling of the issue wore the blue shirt.
It was more than just a political issue, it was about doing what was right and Kenny didn't do that, that says a lot about his character or lack thereof.

Slick50

fr3d12 wrote: »

Me neither so what's next?
The Shinners and FF or FF and FG?

I'd like to see a lot more independent 'upstarts' in there. If there was enough of them around, it would reduce the capacity for the established partys to form overwhelming coalitions. (like we have now) They couldn't afford to be so smug then about losing a few disgruntled members. And I don't mean 'independents' like Lowry, Healy Eames or any other party outcast, I mean new truly independents.

michael999999

fr3d12 wrote: »

When an apology had to dragged kicking and screaming from him it has no sincerity, he caused those women a lot of anguish with a needless delay, Kenny hasn't a sincere bone in his body, he's always been full of bluster.

So are you a loyal party member then?

Never voted for them in my life, never will.

But I seem to remember it was Fianna fail that agreed To pay half the compensation on behalf of the paedo priests.

Anyway enough off topic chat.

fr3d12

Slick50 wrote: »

I'd like to see a lot more independent 'upstarts' in there. If there was enough of them around, it would reduce the capacity for the established partys to form overwhelming coalitions. (like we have now) They couldn't afford to be so smug then about losing a few disgruntled members. And I don't mean 'independents' like Lowry, Healy Eames or any other party outcast, I mean new truly independents.

Ah poor M. Lowry what did he ever do to you:D

There's a lot of decent people in the independent ranks like Claire Daly and Shane Ross and Mattie McGrath seems like a good man although if I'm honest I don't much about his previous life as a party member.

We definitely need change to our political system because ultimately the way it's set up is what allows the abuse.

fr3d12

michael999999 wrote: »

Never voted for them in my life, never will.

But I seem to remember it was Fianna fail that agreed To pay half the compensation on behalf of the paedo priests.

Anyway enough off topic chat.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on the subject.

FF should have been tougher with the church and although the state were liable also the taxpayer should not have had to pay out a penny.

I've no allegiance to any party but have been fooled by pre-election lies like Gilmores famous "Labour's way or Frankfurt's way", never again will I vote for them nor would I vote FF or FG.

adrag

Enda Kenny is the bull****ter ,trying to convince himself and the country that he knew nothin about all this carry on in ags

Going Forward

I'm baffled as to how today's opinion polls still show the same ongoing support for the Coalition, despite the recent events.

Is no one really bothered anymore?

Red Crow

Going Forward wrote: »

I'm baffled as to how today's opinion polls still show the same ongoing support for the Coalition, despite the recent events.

Is no one really bothered anymore?

Fine Gael have proven themselves to be as incompetent, useless and corrupt as Fianna Fáil were. But they're going to get away with it becuase people still have the garlic out and silver bullets ready for Fianna Fáil.

michael999999

Red Crow wrote: »

Fine Gael have proven themselves to be as incompetent, useless and corrupt as Fianna Fáil were. But they're going to get away with it becuase people still have the garlic out and silver bullets ready for Fianna Fáil.

They have a long way to go to match the corruptness and shady dealings of Bertie and co in fairness.

How shatter is still in a job is beyond me. If this was in any other country except Ireland and maybe Nigeria he would be out on he's head long ago!

We Irish will stand for anything!

Red Crow

michael999999 wrote: »

They have a long way to go to match the corruptness and shady dealings of Bertie and co in fairness.

How shatter is still in a job is beyond me. If this was in any other country except Ireland and maybe Nigeria he would be out on he's head long ago!

We Irish will stand for anything!

They're equals. Both as rotten and corrupt as each other. If Fine Gael were in power it would have been no different and don't kid yourself in thinking outwise.

adrag

FG are every bit as bad as ff ,gangsters in suits is what most of them,the old saying "mountjoy is were big criminals put little criminals" is starting to ring true

Slick50

Going Forward wrote: »

I'm baffled as to how today's opinion polls still show the same ongoing support for the Coalition, despite the recent events.

Is no one really bothered anymore?

Because they are pretty well meaningless. Only a couple of weeks ago we had two polls on the same weekend, with diametrically opposed results. They fill paper column inches.

fr3d12

Going Forward wrote: »

I'm baffled as to how today's opinion polls still show the same ongoing support for the Coalition, despite the recent events.

Is no one really bothered anymore?

The opinion poll results as far as I'm aware were only up to last Wednesday.
People are starting to put it all together now though.

Harry Angstrom

michael999999 wrote: »

They have a long way to go to match the corruptness and shady dealings of Bertie and co in fairness.

Only because haven't been in power for as long as Fianna Fáil. They'd be just as corrupt if they were.

bobcoffee

I do find the idea of FG and FF as being a separate parties a bit weird.
To me they are both the same party, I see it as a dictatorship rather then a democratic government.

fr3d12

Have we all forgotten about Michael Lowry and the tapes that were released last year, he is a tax cheat and had a libel case against Sam Smyth thrown out in the Circuit and High courts.
This man is still a TD, what does it take in this country for a politician to lose their job!

fr3d12

bobcoffee wrote: »

I do find the idea of FG and FF as being a separate parties a bit weird.
To me they are both the same party, I see it as a dictatorship rather then a democratic government.

The current junta have done a good job of all but ending democracy in this country on their own, basically we have four people running the country and making all the decisions.

bobcoffee

^ I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a job off the EU (machael lowry)

fr3d12

bobcoffee wrote: »

^ I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a job off the EU (machael lowry)

Maybe his mate Denis O'Brien might give him a job.

Sheldons Brain

This man is still a TD, what does it take in this country for a politician to lose their job!

People could simply stop voting for him.

fr3d12

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

People could simply stop voting for him.

Yes they could but I'm sure he's a very effective parish pump TD.

Harry Angstrom

fr3d12 wrote: »

Yes they could but I'm sure he's a very effective parish pump TD.

Cute hoor politics. It's an Irish speciality.

bobcoffee

Yes but the things the guy has done should bring it to the courts.
Guy SHOULD not be allowed to run.
If SF got the votes to get into power, technically (not sure but it is general gossip) they are not allowed to as there seen as a group that supports the IRA.

So why are criminals allowed to?
well political government criminals that is.

michael999999

bobcoffee wrote: »

Yes but the things the guy has done should bring it to the courts.
Guy SHOULD not be allowed to run.
If SF got the votes to get into power, technically (not sure but it is general gossip) they are not allowed to as there seen as a group that supports the IRA.

So why are criminals allowed to?
well political government criminals that is.

What are you on about?

fr3d12

It all comes down to what the likes of Lowry know about various people, these guys if going down will try and bring as many with them as possible so the attitude in their parties is not to rock the boat.

bobcoffee

michael could you please at least ask which part you don't understand?

SF in technical terms is an illegal party within the EU, it can not get into power.
Since SF has yet to get the votes to get into power this issue has not been tested.
So we really don't know if SF could run the country or not even if they got the votes.

SF td's do not join SF to get into power at all.
If you have any issue with things that a TD could help out with always go for a SF TD as they will help you out no matter what.
However during election times it might be worth going to your local ff or fg TD to help get the issue resolved.

Sierra Oscar

Judging by developments today, Minister Shatter and the government are scrambling to setup the Garda Commissioner as the fall guy.

Shatter's Claims on Garda Whistleblower's Lack of Cooperation in Inquiry Came from Garda Commissioner

I think the resignation of the Garda Commissioner is now inevitable. The question is, will he bring down Shatter with him? We are told that they are joined at the hip afterall!

Justice Minister Alan Shatter’s claim that Garda Whistleblower Maurice McCabe did not cooperate with an internal inquiry into his allegations was based on a briefing from Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan, it emerged today.

Harry Angstrom

While I'm no fan of Alistair Campbell, Enda Kenny would do well to remember his 11 Day Rule when it comes to Shattergate.

michael999999

bobcoffee wrote: »

michael could you please at least ask which part you don't understand?

SF in technical terms is an illegal party within the EU, it can not get into power.
Since SF has yet to get the votes to get into power this issue has not been tested.
So we really don't know if SF could run the country or not even if they got the votes.

SF td's do not join SF to get into power at all.
If you have any issue with things that a TD could help out with always go for a SF TD as they will help you out no matter what.
However during election times it might be worth going to your local ff or fg TD to help get the issue resolved.

Not being smart, I really haven't a clue what your trying to say!

Peter Flynt

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

While I'm no fan of Alistair Campbell, Enda Kenny would do well to remember his 11 Day Rule when it comes to Shattergate.

This is Irish politics.

Whatever rules there are they don't apply to politicians and their cronies.

Harry Angstrom

Peter Flynt wrote: »

This is Irish politics.

Whatever rules there are they don't apply to politicians and their cronies.

Sad but true.

bobcoffee

you might want to read above to find out the direction of the conversation to see where SF got brought in.
Just little things, nothing more then that.

Edit: its amazing how much holding hands has to be done.
read here work your way down.
no idea what is wrong with you guys, maybe you think I'm SF supporter so your waiting for me to come out with something more chewy.
just a point to someone else post.

Busted Flat.

michael999999 wrote: »

Not being smart, I really haven't a clue what your trying to say!

Neither can I, it could be to do with the caffeine.

fr3d12

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Judging by developments today, Minister Shatter and the government are scrambling to setup the Garda Commissioner as the fall guy.

Shatter's Claims on Garda Whistleblower's Lack of Cooperation in Inquiry Came from Garda Commissioner

I think the resignation of the Garda Commissioner is now inevitable. The question is, will he bring down Shatter with him? We are told that they are joined at the hip afterall!

If one goes so will the other, Callinan does not seem like the kind of man to take anything lying down, he has been laying low all week with not a peep out of him so one can only assume this is because of legal advice.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

While I'm no fan of Alistair Campbell, Enda Kenny would do well to remember his 11 Day Rule when it comes to Shattergate.

Irish politicians = 11 year rule.

adrag

Wheter its sf ff or fg,nothing will change in ags,because the top brass of ags is rotten to the core