Arsenal vs Bayern Munich, 7:45, RTE2

.jacksparrow.

monkey9 wrote: »

It was definitely just sweat dripping from Robben onto Sagna. He didn't spit on him.

How can anyone conjure up such a ball of sweat!

There was no drips just one huge one!

niallo27

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

How can anyone conjure up such a ball of sweat!

There was no drips just one huge one!

Impossible to be 100% sure. Does he have history. Did something happen between the two players.

G1032

Agueroooo wrote: »

Wtf ?

https://t.co/1f5lPKRces

Don't think that was a spit. Looked like sweat dripping to be honest

Quazzie

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you think he is good enough.

I believe he offers a viable and more importantly a different alternative to Giroud. For me Giroud, when on form, and playing fully to his strengths is our number one. Unfortunately he hasn't been on form lately so Sanogo has offered us a different type of outlet for the last two games. He is still developing, and if anyone can help a player become great, it's Wenger. He has done it several times before so I won't write off a young player after two games, one of which was against arguable the greatest current club side in the world.

Marty McFly

Agueroooo wrote: »

Wtf ?

https://t.co/1f5lPKRces

Hard to tell but it does look like he is spitting imo and if he proven to have spat on him a long ban should be handed out but UEFA never will.

Boskowski

Poor Oezil getting all the flak but there was a bunch of others I didn't see much tbh. Flamini lost his space for both goals for starters. Wilshere was non-existing. In fact no one but Koscielny had a decent match. But back to Mesut. The terrible penalty didn't help, but I wouldn't blame Ozil for it. He would have been my last choice for the penalty and I can't understand why he was allowed to take it.
I think you can criticise him for not putting in the work. He is obviously not the kind of player who naturally tends to do that but he needs to realise that isn't good enough where he's playing now. Can't blame him though for not knowing what to do as right back. In fairness thats just not what the guy does.

As for overall I think the result would have been the same, red card or not. Fair enough at the start it was bit of open play frenzy where Arsenal surprised Bayern a little. But even before the red card - after both teams settling a bit - Bayern already had gained some sort of control of the match. And that was only going to get better ten men or not. Despite their huge playability Arsenal faced a team tonight thats even more in control of the ball then them.

niallo27

Quazzie wrote: »

I believe he offers a viable and more importantly a different alternative to Giroud. For me Giroud, when on form, and playing fully to his strengths is our number one. Unfortunately he hasn't been on form lately so Sanogo has offered us a different type of outlet for the last two games. He is still developing, and if anyone can help a player become great, it's Wenger. He has done it several times before so I won't write off a young player after two games, one of which was against arguable the greatest current club side in the world.

Bit early to be talking liverpool up like that. I'm not saying he might not develop to be a great player but tonight wasn't the night for him to play.

Boskowski

Agueroooo wrote: »

Wtf ?

https://t.co/1f5lPKRces

He's hardly spittin on him while giving him a pat on the back is he?

Neeson

Messi is a fookin cheat. Jaysus

Boskowski

Moneymaker wrote: »

Arsenal had shaded it imo. Both sides had good spells and Arsenal arguably had the better chances. Bayern were at sea in midfield 11 v 11 and only started to dictate when they had more space.

Come off it, thats ridiculous.

mosstin

Boskowski wrote: »

He's hardly spittin on him while giving him a pat on the back is he?

People are stupid. Outrage keeps people alive these days. Pathetic that people are even trying to make an issue of this.

Hangballlouie

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

How can anyone conjure up such a ball of sweat!

There was no drips just one huge one!

Camera adds 10 pounds.

Boskowski

Quazzie wrote: »

I believe he offers a viable and more importantly a different alternative to Giroud. For me Giroud, when on form, and playing fully to his strengths is our number one. Unfortunately he hasn't been on form lately so Sanogo has offered us a different type of outlet for the last two games. He is still developing, and if anyone can help a player become great, it's Wenger. He has done it several times before so I won't write off a young player after two games, one of which was against arguable the greatest current club side in the world.

wtf?!?

Quazzie

Boskowski wrote: »

wtf?!?

Bayern, at the present time, many would argue are the greatest club side in the world. They're current European champions, and look to be in great form. I don't think it's that outlandish a claim.

AdamD

Boskowski wrote: »

wtf?!?

So the current CL champions can't be considered 'arguably the current greatest club side'?

I should really start unsubscribing from these match threads sooner

Boskowski

I like Arsene and Arsenal very much but he's a bad loser. The sh1te he comes out with in the press conference. Bayern making the most of everything and gettin the frees and we wouldn't be used to that in England. lol. I dare say Jack Wilshere makes a living doing exactly that. He even hinted Robben did dive. For gods sake that was a potential leg breaker.

Boskowski

Quazzie wrote: »

Bayern, at the present time, many would argue are the greatest club side in the world. They're current European champions, and look to be in great form. I don't think it's that outlandish a claim.

Sorry I was blinded. I thought you meant Liverpool :eek:

Boskowski

AdamD wrote: »

So the current CL champions can't be considered 'arguably the current greatest club side'?

I should really start unsubscribing from these match threads sooner

They can, genuine mistake, relax.

.jacksparrow.

Boskowski wrote: »

I like Arsene and Arsenal very much but he's a bad loser. The sh1te he comes out with in the press conference. Bayern making the most of everything and gettin the frees and we wouldn't be used to that in England. lol. I dare say Jack Wilshere makes a living doing exactly that. He even hinted Robben did dive. For gods sake that was a potential leg breaker.

Leg breaker?

Come on now.

The_Kew_Tour

Sorry if posted already

Marty McFly

Jasus there is some awful awful ****e been posted all over this the last page of this thread.

roanoke

Just saw the Robben interview with Kevin O'Connell. It's odd to hear a guy from somewhere like the Netherlands who speaks clearer English than the guy from Ireland.

SlickRic

I prefer Heynckes' Bayern tbh.

tayto lover

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Sorry if posted already

" Anyone a drink lads?" is what he's asking.

yohan the great

Just came in to say Toni Kroos is an unbelievably good footballer

SlickRic

also, Arsenal more than held their own until the idiotic penalty+sending off rule came into play.

it was shaping up to be a brilliant tie.

wonderfullife

In fairness, pretty disgraceful from Wilshere at the end ,i blame him 100% for that 2nd goal.

He's literally seen his centre back go on a lung bursting run forwards and won a valuable free kick on the half way line.

So what does he do?

Does he take his time, kill the clock, wait for some defenders to get into the box to try nick a goal? Nope.

Does he pass the ball backwards to his team-mates to try keep the ball and try run the clock down for a valiant 1-0 defeat? Nope.

He takes an absolutely brainless quick free kick, losing possession within seconds and leaving a knackered centre-half (who defended brilliantly) desperately trying to get back. Leaving Flamini stuck in an unfamiliar centre-back position.

He's got to be the most over-rated, impetuous, stupid player around.

What sort of donut takes a quick free kick in the 87th minute when his side are absolutely cream crackered??

wotzgoingon

roanoke wrote: »

Just saw the Robben interview with Kevin O'Connell. It's odd to hear a guy from somewhere like the Netherlands who speaks clearer English than the guy from Ireland.

What are you talking about? I seen the interview and didn't think there was anything wrong with how he spoke.

Boskowski

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Leg breaker?

Come on now.

I said potential. He cluttered pretty much full frontal into his standing leg/shin. Could have been a lot worse, def'ny not diving or even making the most of it.

Soups123

wonderfullife wrote: »

In fairness, pretty disgraceful from Wilshere at the end ,i blame him 100% for that 2nd goal.

He's literally seen his centre back go on a lung bursting run forwards and won a valuable free kick on the half way line.

So what does he do?

Does he take his time, kill the clock, wait for some defenders to get into the box to try nick a goal? Nope.

Does he pass the ball backwards to his team-mates to try keep the ball and try run the clock down for a valiant 1-0 defeat? Nope.

He takes an absolutely brainless quick free kick, losing possession within seconds and leaving a knackered centre-half (who defended brilliantly) desperately trying to get back. Leaving Flamini stuck in an unfamiliar centre-back position.

He's got to be the most over-rated, impetuous, stupid player around.

What sort of donut takes a quick free kick in the 87th minute when his side are absolutely cream crackered??

Way OTT

Maybe his legs and brain was tired

Renn

wonderfullife wrote: »

In fairness, pretty disgraceful from Wilshere at the end ,i blame him 100% for that 2nd goal.

He's literally seen his centre back go on a lung bursting run forwards and won a valuable free kick on the half way line.

So what does he do?

Does he take his time, kill the clock, wait for some defenders to get into the box to try nick a goal? Nope.

Does he pass the ball backwards to his team-mates to try keep the ball and try run the clock down for a valiant 1-0 defeat? Nope.

He takes an absolutely brainless quick free kick, losing possession within seconds and leaving a knackered centre-half (who defended brilliantly) desperately trying to get back. Leaving Flamini stuck in an unfamiliar centre-back position.

He's got to be the most over-rated, impetuous, stupid player around.

What sort of donut takes a quick free kick in the 87th minute when his side are absolutely cream crackered??

I was wondering what the hell the CB was doing in the first place. Once the free kick was won he probably should have wandered back to where he'd been for 85 mins previously. Rush of blood to the head cost them in the end.

Renn

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Sorry if posted already

Sometimes you forget that if some of these guys weren't talented at this sport they'd be the spas you see every weekend at the corner flag doing that for 90 mins.

Vinz Mesrine

I'm being genuine here, Wilshere is surely the most overrated player in England right now in my eyes. What does he bring to a team other than petulance when things aren't going his way. Doesn't score, doesn't come up with many assists, doesn't defend.

extra gravy

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I'm being genuine here, Wilshere is surely the most overrated player in England right now in my eyes. What does he bring to a team other than petulance when things aren't going his way. Doesn't score, doesn't come up with many assists, doesn't defend.

No you're either being a troll or you're actually that clueless. Not sure which.

roanoke

wotzgoingon wrote: »

What are you talking about? I seen the interview and didn't think there was anything wrong with how he spoke.

Fair enough.

(^^joking there btw^^).

I could understand both people. I just thought that Robben spoke better/more clearly than O'Connell.

Vinz Mesrine

extra gravy wrote: »

No you're either being a troll or you're actually that clueless. Not sure which.

I'm neither, trust me.

What does he bring to a team? Heart and that's about it, when things don't go his way he turns into a spoilt brat.

extra gravy

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I'm neither, trust me.

What does he bring to a team? Heart and that's about it, when things don't go his way he turns into a spoilt brat.

5 goals and 4 assists this season.

Vinz Mesrine

extra gravy wrote: »

5 goals and 4 assists this season.

3 goals and 4 assists in the league. And yet you have the British media saying he is their most talented player since Gazza, laughable.

Marty McFly

Wilshere is a great player and at his age is only going to get better, anyone who watches him play and thinks he is terrible needs to just give up and stop watching football.

He seems to have become a hate figure for a lot of rival fans though I'm not sure if it because the media have a love hate affair with him and people are being sheep or if its a little bit of his attitude that grates rival fans.

But as an Arsenal fan and a football fan I love to see any player playing for a team I support showing passion and drive much rather that than a player who looks like he couldn't give a toss.

Skylinehead

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I'm being genuine here, Wilshere is surely the most overrated player in England right now in my eyes. What does he bring to a team other than petulance when things aren't going his way. Doesn't score, doesn't come up with many assists, doesn't defend.

Watch his performance against Barcelona (the 2-1) and try saying that again.

Vinz Mesrine

Skylinehead wrote: »

Watch his performance against Barcelona (the 2-1) and try saying that again.

When was that?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Marty McFly wrote: »

Wilshere is a great player and at his age is only going to get better, anyone who watches him play and thinks he is terrible needs to just give up and stop watching football.

He seems to have become a hate figure for a lot of rival fans though I'm not sure if it because the media have a love hate affair with him and people are being sheep or if its a little bit of his attitude that grates rival fans.

But as an Arsenal fan and a football fan I love to see any player playing for a team I support showing passion and drive much rather that than a player who looks like he couldn't give a toss.

Spurs fan here and if anything I've a bit of a soft spot for Wilshere. Think he'll develop into a truly world-class player in a few years time. One of those exceptional players imo.

Boskowski

Wilshere is an outstanding talent and a great fit for Arsenal.
But I can see how fans get annoyed with him at times. He's only a little fella but he makes up for it by two with his hotheadedness and his constant mouthing towards the ref and others. Sometimes he comes across as an overconfident, angryish young man with attitude. As if the world owes him something or so. But hopefully he'll come round, he's only a young lad.

Skylinehead

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

When was that?

2011 I think.

Oh, and as for your "doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't defend" bit - neither do Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta on a regular basis either. Crap players.

mada999

Quazzie wrote: »

I fricking love Flamini. The man plays with such immense passion. Always gives 100%

TBH I thought he was poor enough, lost a player for the second goal

Vinz Mesrine

Skylinehead wrote: »

2011 I think.

Oh, and as for your "doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't defend" bit - neither do Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta on a regular basis either. Crap players.

3 years ago? I'd rather judge him on recent performances.

Pirlo, Xavi and Iniesta don't provide assists or goals??? When did this happen?

Boskowski

mada999 wrote: »

TBH I thought he was poor enough, lost a player for the second goal

And for the first.

wonderfullife

Marty McFly wrote: »

Wilshere is a great player and at his age is only going to get better, anyone who watches him play and thinks he is terrible needs to just give up and stop watching football.

He seems to have become a hate figure for a lot of rival fans though I'm not sure if it because the media have a love hate affair with him and people are being sheep or if its a little bit of his attitude that grates rival fans.

But as an Arsenal fan and a football fan I love to see any player playing for a team I support showing passion and drive much rather that than a player who looks like he couldn't give a toss.

He's most certainly a very good player.

But a lot of people tend to rave about him as if he's World Class already and he's got a long, long way to go before you can call him that.

That's where the "over-rated" criticism comes from.

A lot of Gooners and England fans seemed to think he was the finished article. In reality, right now, he'd struggle to get into either the Arsenal or England sides when both are at full strength.

If Aaron Ramsey and Theo were fully fit, i struggle to see him getting a regular start.

With England, given Gerrard is an automatic pick as captain, he's got a lot of rivalry in that midfield.

He is still young and has the potential to be a world class operator but he's not there yet. Not even close.

Godge

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I'm being genuine here, Wilshere is surely the most overrated player in England right now in my eyes. What does he bring to a team other than petulance when things aren't going his way. Doesn't score, doesn't come up with many assists, doesn't defend.

By those criteria he could do a job for Liverpool or Spurs.

Seriously, why do guys come on to these Champions League threads just to slag
off a rival English team.

Godge

wonderfullife wrote: »

He's most certainly a very good player.

But a lot of people tend to rave about him as if he's World Class already and he's got a long, long way to go before you can call him that.

That's where the "over-rated" criticism comes from.

A lot of Gooners and England fans seemed to think he was the finished article. In reality, right now, he'd struggle to get into either the Arsenal or England sides when both are at full strength.

If Aaron Ramsey and Theo were fully fit, i struggle to see him getting a regular start.

With England, given Gerrard is an automatic pick as captain, he's got a lot of rivalry in that midfield.

He is still young and has the potential to be a world class operator but he's not there yet. Not even close.

I think I remember Hodgson saying that didn't make Gerrard an automatic choice.