T20 WC 2014

BarryD

Like to see the Dutch do it at this stage. Other scenario more likely, they win and Zimbabwe go through...

Doodah7

too little too late... Joyce's drop when Cooper was on one will cost us our qualification.

B1gft

Need a few more very quick wickets

Lovely Bloke

tallpaul wrote: »

too little too late... Joyce's drop when Cooper was on one will cost us our qualification.

extremely harsh on Joyce, before that drop Holland were after smashing the bowlers all over the place and were on for the win anyway.

BarryD

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

extremely harsh on Joyce, before that drop Holland were after smashing the bowlers all over the place and were on for the win anyway.

Maybe.. but sport is cruel, you gotta take anything you get when things are going way against you.

Doodah7

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

extremely harsh on Joyce, before that drop Holland were after smashing the bowlers all over the place and were on for the win anyway.

Not when they had lost three quick wickets and Cooper's fourth wicket might have swung the momentum back in our favour. As it was, he was able to keep pushing on. It was the crucial moment in the game and when you factor in his suicidal run out in Ireland's innings...

TrueDub

tallpaul wrote: »

Not when they had lost three quick wickets and Cooper's fourth wicket might have swung the momentum back in our favour. As it was, he was able to keep pushing on. It was the crucial moment in the game and when you factor in his suicidal run out in Ireland's innings...

Natural to look for scapegoats, but it's very rare that a single mistake is the cause of a loss.

I'm following on Cricinfo, but it strikes me that it's more about the Dutch playing out of their skins that Ireland doing anything particularly badly.

Lovely Bloke

they need 12 off 8

keps

Total disaster

Pudsy33

Do it Holland and I'll cheer you guys on for the rest of this

Lovely Bloke

7 from 6 needed

djimi

TrueDub wrote: »

I'm following on Cricinfo, but it strikes me that it's more about the Dutch playing out of their skins that Ireland doing anything particularly badly.

The bowling has been fairly awful and even our fielding has been ropey. No question this is all about the brilliance of the Holland batting today, but we did nothing with the ball to help outselves.

keps

That's it - we are out

What a shame

Sasana Paddy

Shambles! Joe Schmidt to replace P Simmons!

Congratz to NL

force eleven

I know its T20 and anything can happen in the short form of the game, surely there'll be a big post mortem on this. Freak result?

B1gft

It was the start they had in the PP. Very hard to come back from.

Speak Now

Fair play to the Dutch, well played.

BarryD

Well they deserved it! And we got what we deserved too.. if you can't defend 190 in 20 overs......................................

keps

To lose in 14 overs - unbelievable

Pudsy33

The most incredible innings I've ever see, by my god that was abject ****e from us.

Mountjoy Mugger

All I can do is laugh. Christ!

Lovely Bloke

Hand it to Holland, amazing knock.

Stunning.

First Up

Shame for us but that was fantastic.

TrueDub

force eleven wrote: »

I know its T20 and anything can happen in the short form of the game, surely there'll be a big post mortem on this. Freak result?

There'll be a post mortem in the squad, but no over-reactions. It's hugely disappointing, but nothing more.

I'm glad they did it to qualify, fair play to them for going for it.

Unfortunate we had an off-day with the ball, but kudos to the Dutch for taking advantage.

Dan man

How can Netherlands not have ODI status? Seems so wrong.

Beasty

Feel very sorry for the Irish, but what a match. The NL just went out and took the risks - don't thiunk anyone can complain and I'm pleased the NL progress ahead of Zimbabwe given the way they batted today

djimi

Cant even begin to describe this. One of the best results you will ever see from a game of cricket (I thought it would take a lot to top us scoring 328 against England; this is up there). Ridiculous stuff.

Im very glad that its Holland and not Zimbabwe going through. Anything that raises the profile of associate cricket is good for all of us.

keps

Big loss of revenue for the game in Ireland

KevIRL

Hats off to Netherlands. some achievement

TrueDub

Dan man wrote: »

How can Netherlands not have ODI status? Seems so wrong.

Because ODIs are a different form of the game, and their results in that form simply haven't been good enough recently.

And because of the daft rule that associates have to maintain their standards while full members don't, they lose their status.

Pighead

Holy crap. Some turnaround. Not sure how low Ireland were in terms of odds but at one stage I looked and Ireland were 1/25 with Holland at 9/1. Must have been carnage on Betfair.

Dan man

TrueDub wrote: »

Because ODIs are a different form of the game, and their results in that form simply haven't been good enough recently.

And because of the daft rule that associates have to maintain their standards while full members don't, they lose their status.

Yes I know that but still....seems incredible that they lost their ODI status judging from that performance.

djimi

Dan man wrote: »

Yes I know that but still....seems incredible that they lost their ODI status judging from that performance.

The problem is the notion of needing to have "ODI status" to begin with. Such a nonsense system that we have in cricket; at ODI level especially everyone should be at the same status.

wicorthered

Felt a result like this was coming. Team needs freshening up. Murtagh has never produced for Ireland today. His experience was badly needed in the PP carnage! Opening with 2 young spinners when the Dutch were obviously going to shoot from the hip a big mistake. Never going to recover after the PP. Glad the Dutch qualified after that, stunning hitting!

All that said, if Joyce had caught Cooper...........

keps

Pighead wrote: »

Holy crap. Some turnaround. Not sure how low Ireland were in terms of odds but at one stage I looked and Ireland were 1/25 with Holland at 9/1. Must have been carnage on Betfair.

Yep

€27m matched on betfair - Ireland were 1/20 there at one stage and the money piled onto them at that price- people then started scrambling to recover their losses

That 1/20 was for the match - I cannot begin to think what it was to qualify out of the group - probably about 1/75 I'd say

djimi

wicorthered wrote: »

All that said, if Joyce had caught Cooper...........

What was that at 107/3 or something? At that point the game was pretty much over anyway; the damage had been done to our bowling long before that.

force eleven

force eleven wrote: »

14.2 overs to beat the total? Relax people.

Please ban me for making statements like that in future... :mad:

Larbre34

Well holy flip. Pride cometh before the fall. I must say that result goes down like a s*** sandwich

Must be a universe balance thing that the Rugby and Cricket teams cant be successful in the same weeks....

wicorthered

djimi wrote: »

What was that at 107/3 or something? At that point the game was pretty much over anyway; the damage had been done to our bowling long before that.

We were starting to get back in though. He went ballistic after that. 107/4 with Cooper gone, still needing 80 with not much batting coming in, I'd have been confident enough. They'd have still thrown the bat at everything and lesser players would have a better chance of getting out!

Myburgh set it up, Cooper finished it off.

keps

It was like watching a slow motion car crash

djimi

wicorthered wrote: »

We were starting to get back in though. He went ballistic after that. 107/4 with Cooper gone, still needing 80 with not much batting coming in, I'd have been confident enough. They'd have still thrown the bat at everything and lesser players would have a better chance of getting out!

Myburgh set it up, Cooper finished it off.

You might be right, but the way our bowling had just been battered so hard, and the fact that we were bowling so poorly, I think they would have gone on to win the game even if Cooper had gone then. Perhaps just not in the 14 overs.

Lovely Bloke

keps wrote: »

It was like watching a slow motion car crash

there was nothing slow motion about making 190+ in less than 14 overs!

keps

Winning the toss and putting Ireland in to bat was crucial.

Netherlands knew exactly what they had to do and as their Captain said 'had absolutely nothing to lose'.

djimi

keps wrote: »

Winning the toss and putting Ireland in to bat was crucial.

Netherlands knew exactly what they had to do and as their Captain said 'had absolutely nothing to lose'.

Yeah I think we would have made a much better fist of chasing, and had they batted first Im not so sure they would have put up 250. Its a lot harder to have NRR on the mind when you are bowling second.

force eleven

djimi wrote: »

Yeah I think we would have made a much better fist of chasing, and had they batted first Im not so sure they would have put up 250. Its a lot harder to have NRR on the mind when you are bowling second.

Absolutely right. They knew they had 86 balls to get 190 runs. Simple equation really, and they tore into us, they had no choice. They could have been all out for 40 on another day with a task like that. Not to be. I hope they beat one of the fancied sides.

djimi

Bat like that again and theyll England a good game.

Im actually gutted that we cant have a crack at England at the moment.

BarryD

force eleven wrote: »

Absolutely right. They knew they had 86 balls to get 190 runs. Simple equation really, and they tore into us, they had no choice. They could have been all out for 40 on another day with a task like that. Not to be. I hope they beat one of the fancied sides.

That's true but we should have been able to bowl with a bit more guile against the Dutch. If it had been the Aussies or SA's tearing our bowling apart, you'd accept it more readily.

There's only two real aspects to this T20 game - score as many runs as you can when you bat and stop the other team scoring when you field. Taking wickets is rather incidental - it happens and can slow the run rate but restricting the scoring is where it's at.

BarryD

BarryD wrote: »

That's true but we should have been able to bowl with a bit more guile against the Dutch. If it had been the Aussies or SA's tearing our bowling apart, you'd accept it more readily.

Mind you, a substantial portion of the Dutch team seems to hail from Aus, Nz, Pakistan etc!!

TrueDub

BarryD wrote: »

Mind you, a substantial portion of the Dutch team seems to hail from Aus, Nz, Pakistan etc!!

No point in going down that road, most international teams have one or more players not born in that country, including Ireland.

We got caught in the perfect storm today - we batted well, but our bowling & fielding were poor (according to all accounts) and the Dutch simply used that to produce a stellar performance.

We can say "if this happened..." and "if that happened..." but what happened happened. Given the same circumstances I would bet that the Dutch would not be able pull it out of the bag like that a second time.

All that matters, though, is that they did it when it counted. Good luck to them, I'll be cheering for them in the main competition.

BarryD

TrueDub wrote: »

No point in going down that road, most international teams have one or more players not born in that country, including Ireland.

This may be true - but looking down the batting order of the Netherlands team today, I think you have to get to No10 before you find a Dutch born player... that's a touch excessive is it not?? Certainly a bit more than one or two!!

Australians and South Africans feature prominently...

Maybe in time, with all our lads and lassies going to Aus, we'll be able to fill up an international team... that's if we wanted to.

Still fair dues to The Netherlands and hope they can play way again, think their bowling is weak though?