Hogans back, its official.

TJ Mackie

Used to be an avid wrestling fan, kind of fell out of love with it to the point of being unfamiliar with most of today's roster. Read today that Hogan returned - what's the general consensus among smarks re: Hogan? And what's he supposedly like off camera? Are people happy he's back, albeit in whatever role he's in? And what is his relationship with Vince like since he left for WCW all those years ago?

gnfnrhead

TJ Mackie wrote: »

Used to be an avid wrestling fan, kind of fell out of love with it to the point of being unfamiliar with most of today's roster. Read today that Hogan returned - what's the general consensus among smarks re: Hogan? And what's he supposedly like off camera? Are people happy he's back, albeit in whatever role he's in? And what is his relationship with Vince like since he left for WCW all those years ago?

He's a cancer that should have been removed many years ago. It's sickening that people actually wanted to see him back again.

Hashtag_HEEL

gnfnrhead wrote: »

He's a cancer that should have been removed many years ago. It's sickening that people actually wanted to see him back again.

Vince has decided to inject the WWE with a lethal dose of poison!

Sirsok

gnfnrhead wrote: »

He's a cancer that should have been removed many years ago. It's sickening that people actually wanted to see him back again.

Does him not carrying a form of art from the dark ages to the heights we see today not stand for him.

He was absolutely pivotal in helping two brands become global successes. While his return in 2002 will always be fondly remembered by myself.

Sure his TNA stint sucked and he was a dick throughout his life, but the man deserves credit and respect, and it always great to see him in limited capacity

gnfnrhead

Sirsok wrote: »

Does him not carrying a form of art from the dark ages to the heights we see today not stand for him.

He was absolutely pivotal in helping two brands become global successes. While his return in 2002 will always be fondly remembered by myself.

Sure his TNA stint sucked and he was a dick throughout his life, but the man deserves credit and respect, and it always great to see him in limited capacity

Had he retired 15 years ago, sure. But since then he has put WCW out of business and almost put TNA out of business due to his own greed and selfishness.

buckfasterer

Hashtag_HEEL wrote: »

Vince has decided to inject the WWE with a lethal dose of poison!

SimonQuinlank

gnfnrhead wrote: »

He's a cancer that should have been removed many years ago. It's sickening that people actually wanted to see him back again.

Jesus,what a ridiculous smarky comment.

How is it sickening that people still want to see their childhood hero back in the WWE for the first time in nearly a decade?A man that has literally destroyed his body for the wrestling business, and who was responsible for putting the WWF on the map in the 80's,and a great deal responsible in igniting the much fabled Monday night wars that led to unprecedented success for the wrestling industry as a whole.

Hogan didn't destroy WCW either,he signed the (ridiculous) contracts that were offered to him by Bischoff and approved by Turner,just like anyone else in his position would have done.Bischoff's out of control spending,lack of accountability and failure to adapt to changing times killed WCW.As well as the merger with AOL.

TNA did a fine job of pissing away any possible hope of competing with the WWE long before Hogan arrived,and again he didn't sign himself to a TNA contract,Dixie Carter did.

jaykhunter

A Primal Nut

Regarding Hogan, the way people are talking you would swear he was taking up 15 minutes of a one hour show.

Raw is now four hours long including preshow and postshow, Hogan come in for ten minutes for a bit of a nostalgia pop and to plug the network and WrestleMania. It's not a big deal. It's just a bit of fun, no need to get worked up about it.

Smarks were saying he was too old when he left WWE 20 years ago. He then reinvented himself with the NWO. Then they were saying he was way too old when he came back to WWE over 12 years ago, then he had one of the most famous matches of all time against The Rock.

I am quite negative about WWE depending on so many old guys for WrestleMania, New Age Outlaws, Goldust, Triple H, Batista, not gonna be negative about Taker and Lesnar, but combined with all the other old guys its too much. That said, Hogan is doing it the right way. Not taking up a main event slot but doing a bit of promotion for the company, probably a few lighthearted scenes backstage; not something to get worked up about.

TJ Mackie

gnfnrhead wrote: »

But since then he has put WCW out of business and almost put TNA out of business due to his own greed and selfishness.

Care to elaborate on what that is? Genuinely curious.

A Primal Nut

TJ Mackie wrote: »

Care to elaborate on what that is? Genuinely curious.

The general idea among the IWC is that Hogan only cares about himself at the expense of the company - burying rising stars, taking valuable time from those stars and actual wrestlers, backstage politics which is all about how he can improve his own position rather than the company. Which I wouldn't disagree with.

Probably why WWE is the best place for him. Generally Vince won't allow anyone become bigger than the show and the WWE brand (with the exception of HHH but that's family ) and so hopefully Hogan's role will be kept quite small. A bit of promotion and couple of "corny humerous" backstage segments with Daniel Bryan and Santino.

gnfnrhead

SimonQuinlank wrote: »

Jesus,what a ridiculous smarky comment.

How is it sickening that people still want to see their childhood hero back in the WWE for the first time in nearly a decade?A man that has literally destroyed his body for the wrestling business, and who was responsible for putting the WWF on the map in the 80's,and a great deal responsible in igniting the much fabled Monday night wars that led to unprecedented success for the wrestling industry as a whole.

Hogan didn't destroy WCW either,he signed the (ridiculous) contracts that were offered to him by Bischoff and approved by Turner,just like anyone else in his position would have done.Bischoff's out of control spending,lack of accountability and failure to adapt to changing times killed WCW.As well as the merger with AOL.

TNA did a fine job of pissing away any possible hope of competing with the WWE long before Hogan arrived,and again he didn't sign himself to a TNA contract,Dixie Carter did.

Had Hogan retired somewhere around 1998-2000, done the 2002 come back and left again, he would be much more fondly remembered. Instead he dragged WCW into an early grave and has tried to do the same with TNA.

I dont blame him for taking the contracts, everybody would. But I do blame him for his abuse of creative control everywhere outside of WWE. Look at the picture Jayk posted. That was Hogan's last appearance in TNA and he used his creative control to ensure he went out with the owner begging him not to quit. He wouldnt even let them fire him as part of the storyline. This after almost four years of making himself the main focus. Very rarely did a show go by where Hogan wasnt involved in everything. You think the Authority take up too much time with their opening promos, multiply that by ten for Hogan in TNA.

Hogan then used his superstar status to secure jobs for all his old buddies on equally oversized contracts. He did it in WCW and again in 2010 when he got the Nasty Boys wrestling on PPV. Val Venis going over homegrown TNA talent while getting a Batista like reaction. Ric Flair was signed likely to an equally massive contract and actually attempting to wrestle again. Bubba the Lovesponge being a regular in backstage segments. Awesome Kong, who was massive at the time, was released because she clashed with Bubba backstage. Kong had given TNA some of their highest ever ratings but due to Hogan, she was out the door in favour of Bubba.

TNA in 2009 were a stable company who were taking babysteps and looking good to be around for a really long time to come. Not close to competing with WWE, but in a very strong position as the number two promotion. Hulk Hogan then made the decision to employ the likes of the Nasty Boys, move to Monday Nights to go head to head with Raw and go live on the road while promising to increase the ratings from ~1.0 to 2.0 or even 3.0. After six months they were hitting 0.6's in the ratings. His contributions cut the rating in half, and the lowest since they debuted on Spike TV many years earlier. He set them back years while draining a massive amount of money from the company for himself and his buddies. He took a solid and stable company and almost put them out of business.

This without mentioning the fact that he also went on to give his daughter a job taking up another chunk of screen time.

I stand by my original statement that the guy is a cancer who shouldnt be around in any promotion today. No amount of "but it's Hulk Hogan!" is going to change that.

beakerjoe

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Had Hogan retired somewhere around 1998-2000, done the 2002 come back and left again, he would be much more fondly remembered. Instead he dragged WCW into an early grave and has tried to do the same with TNA.

I dont blame him for taking the contracts, everybody would. But I do blame him for his abuse of creative control everywhere outside of WWE. Look at the picture Jayk posted. That was Hogan's last appearance in TNA and he used his creative control to ensure he went out with the owner begging him not to quit. He wouldnt even let them fire him as part of the storyline. This after almost four years of making himself the main focus. Very rarely did a show go by where Hogan wasnt involved in everything. You think the Authority take up too much time with their opening promos, multiply that by ten for Hogan in TNA.

Hogan then used his superstar status to secure jobs for all his old buddies on equally oversized contracts. He did it in WCW and again in 2010 when he got the Nasty Boys wrestling on PPV. Val Venis going over homegrown TNA talent while getting a Batista like reaction. Ric Flair was signed likely to an equally massive contract and actually attempting to wrestle again. Bubba the Lovesponge being a regular in backstage segments. Awesome Kong, who was massive at the time, was released because she clashed with Bubba backstage. Kong had given TNA some of their highest ever ratings but due to Hogan, she was out the door in favour of Bubba.

TNA in 2009 were a stable company who were taking babysteps and looking good to be around for a really long time to come. Not close to competing with WWE, but in a very strong position as the number two promotion. Hulk Hogan then made the decision to employ the likes of the Nasty Boys, move to Monday Nights to go head to head with Raw and go live on the road while promising to increase the ratings from ~1.0 to 2.0 or even 3.0. After six months they were hitting 0.6's in the ratings. His contributions cut the rating in half, and the lowest since they debuted on Spike TV many years earlier. He set them back years while draining a massive amount of money from the company for himself and his buddies. He took a solid and stable company and almost put them out of business.

This without mentioning the fact that he also went on to give his daughter a job taking up another chunk of screen time.

I stand by my original statement that the guy is a cancer who shouldnt be around in any promotion today. No amount of "but it's Hulk Hogan!" is going to change that.

First nomination for the Boards Slammies of the Year, "Rant of the Year" or the Ric Flair award as its called iirc.

And its hard to argue with any of the above.

Beefy78

It's actually very easy to argue with it. None of that was down to Hulk Hogan. People gave him creative control. People gave him the ability to hire people. That was TNA's decision. Calling him "cancerous" is ridiculously over the top.

The guy is in a promotional role in WWE. He has no power, no responsibility, nothing. He'll get a few pops, beat up a few heels (who will probably love the fact that they're working with probably the biggest name in the history of the business) and be on his way in a few months.

beakerjoe

Beefy78 wrote: »

It's actually very easy to argue with it. None of that was down to Hulk Hogan. People gave him creative control. People gave him the ability to hire people. That was TNA's decision. Calling him "cancerous" is ridiculously over the top.

The guy is in a promotional role in WWE. He has no power, no responsibility, nothing. He'll get a few pops, beat up a few heels (who will probably love the fact that they're working with probably the biggest name in the history of the business) and be on his way in a few months.

He asked for Creative Control, people believed they need him to get higher ratings and gave in to these demands. He is always in business for himself and no one else.

WWE have always been in a good position with him but with WCW and TNA, he helped crush them by looking out for himself and not the company.

Furious-Red

Beefy78 wrote: »

It's actually very easy to argue with it. None of that was down to Hulk Hogan. People gave him creative control. People gave him the ability to hire people. That was TNA's decision. Calling him "cancerous" is ridiculously over the top.

The guy is in a promotional role in WWE. He has no power, no responsibility, nothing. He'll get a few pops, beat up a few heels (who will probably love the fact that they're working with probably the biggest name in the history of the business) and be on his way in a few months.

I agree that he was given control , but they were also expecting him to do something to help the company not to try and bring all his buddies back and nearly kill the promotion . Giving Hogan power is TNA's doing , but everything else is on Hogans back

gimmick

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SimonQuinlank

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Had Hogan retired somewhere around 1998-2000, done the 2002 come back and left again, he would be much more fondly remembered. Instead he dragged WCW into an early grave and has tried to do the same with TNA.

I dont blame him for taking the contracts, everybody would. But I do blame him for his abuse of creative control everywhere outside of WWE. Look at the picture Jayk posted. That was Hogan's last appearance in TNA and he used his creative control to ensure he went out with the owner begging him not to quit. He wouldnt even let them fire him as part of the storyline. This after almost four years of making himself the main focus. Very rarely did a show go by where Hogan wasnt involved in everything. You think the Authority take up too much time with their opening promos, multiply that by ten for Hogan in TNA.

Hogan then used his superstar status to secure jobs for all his old buddies on equally oversized contracts. He did it in WCW and again in 2010 when he got the Nasty Boys wrestling on PPV. Val Venis going over homegrown TNA talent while getting a Batista like reaction. Ric Flair was signed likely to an equally massive contract and actually attempting to wrestle again. Bubba the Lovesponge being a regular in backstage segments. Awesome Kong, who was massive at the time, was released because she clashed with Bubba backstage. Kong had given TNA some of their highest ever ratings but due to Hogan, she was out the door in favour of Bubba.

TNA in 2009 were a stable company who were taking babysteps and looking good to be around for a really long time to come. Not close to competing with WWE, but in a very strong position as the number two promotion. Hulk Hogan then made the decision to employ the likes of the Nasty Boys, move to Monday Nights to go head to head with Raw and go live on the road while promising to increase the ratings from ~1.0 to 2.0 or even 3.0. After six months they were hitting 0.6's in the ratings. His contributions cut the rating in half, and the lowest since they debuted on Spike TV many years earlier. He set them back years while draining a massive amount of money from the company for himself and his buddies. He took a solid and stable company and almost put them out of business.

This without mentioning the fact that he also went on to give his daughter a job taking up another chunk of screen time.

I stand by my original statement that the guy is a cancer who shouldnt be around in any promotion today. No amount of "but it's Hulk Hogan!" is going to change that.

No promoter worth his/her salt should trust any performer to put the interest of the company or other performers ahead of their own, especially in an ego driven,paranoid,spot protecting business like pro wrestling.If you want to blame someone for the demise of WCW and TNA blame the eejits who were handing out those contracts.The buck stops with them at the end of the day.

WCW were desperate for name talent to compete with WWF and short sightedly offered creative control to lure a select a few including Hogan in the 90's,and Dixie was just clueless and offered it to the likes of way past their prime Hogan and Flair in 2010.I don't blame Hogan for looking after himself (and his family!) as any other wrestler,even the IWC favourites, would end up doing the exact same if afforded the same level of control, and you are extremely naive if you think differently.

I'm glad to see Hogan back home,and I'm sure Vince will have him on a tight leash these days,so you won't have to put up with seeing ''the cancer'' for too long each week on Raw anyway.

rovert

jaykhunter wrote: »

J'adore Hulk Hogan.

October 7th 2013 Observer:

After four years, it appears the contractual relationship between Hulk Hogan and TNA Wrestling is over.

But given the people involved, it also could be a swerve.

Hogan’s contract expired on 10/1, and on his last show, taped on 9/26 and airing on 10/3, they taped a segment that is supposed to be his farewell. On the surface, it’s crazy. The first part of the angle played on 9/26 where Dixie Carter basically blew off A.J. Styles, saying that she didn’t need him, but when Hogan came out, she was begging him to help her out. On the second show, Hogan quit, with Dixie Carter grabbing him by the ankles and begging him to stay. When questions were asked, and they were, about how absolutely stupid it was for the owner to act like she didn’t care about Styles, who headlines Bound for Glory, but did about Hogan, it was said that Hogan’s contract included creative control of everything he was involved with. This was the only exit he would do, where he left on his own, without endorsing anyone, putting anyone over, nor them even ridiculing or burying him on the way out.

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