Monday Night Raw 24-2-14 *EC Spoilers*

D.Q

I'm trying to get my head around this. They were given an open contract so they could pick any opponent. But they said no, because they wanted history to conquer, ie. The undertakers streak who they could have chosen with the open contract.

Professional Griefer

Jester252

Who knew Lesnar could use a pen

gnfnrhead

If nothing else, Lesnar is willing to bump like a madman.

CSF

Undertaker doesn't look half as imposing without hair.

gnfnrhead

D.Q wrote: »

I'm trying to get my head around this. They were given an open contract so they could pick any opponent. But they said no, because they wanted history to conquer, ie. The undertakers streak who they could have chosen with the open contract.

They wanted the title match.

Eire-Dearg

To be fair to old man taker he's the epitome of badass.

D.Q

gnfnrhead wrote: »

They wanted the title match.

Which they could have had with the open contract?

mrkiscool2

Is it just me or does Taker look like Kratos from God of War?

Corholio

It'll never happen but I'd love Lesnar to win personally. I'd rather Undertaker finally lose the streak when he can still put together physically a good match.

Jester252

Lesnar was stabbed, yet no blood, show ruined

0 out of 10

D.Q

Fairly underwhelming raw all things considered.

Moneymaker

Maybe they held back on a Shield breakup because of the possible Cena injury and they need to change plans?

Thumbs middle show overall.

Strongbow10

Corholio wrote: »

It'll never happen but I'd love Lesnar to win personally. I'd rather Undertaker finally lose the streak when he can still put together physically a good match.

he'll be beaten eventually but theres absolutely ZERO chance, zilch, that Lesnar ends the streak.

In fairness, theres only so much they can do with a part time Lesnar, they cannot invest big storylines or build him at all.

Hes a guy who could carry the business at the minute if he was full time and committed but hes there for the big pay day

Corholio

Strongbow10 wrote: »

he'll be beaten eventually but theres absolutely ZERO chance, zilch, that Lesnar ends the streak.

In fairness, theres only so much they can do with a part time Lesnar, they cannot invest big storylines or build him at all.

Hes a guy who could carry the business at the minute if he was full time and committed but hes there for the big pay day

Much like Taker then :pac:

But yes of course, no chance of Lesnar winning but Taker doesn't have many Mania's left and he'll have to lose the streak sometime, you would hope that's what WWE have planned anyway.

gnfnrhead

D.Q wrote: »

Which they could have had with the open contract?

That's what I said! :pac:

willmunny1990

Im not so sure Taker will ever be beaten.

At this stage the only time id ever fear for him at Mania is if he was against Cena.

gnfnrhead

People wanted Ziggler, he's in the main event against Kofi now. :pac:

TGJD

Corholio wrote: »

It'll never happen but I'd love Lesnar to win personally. I'd rather Undertaker finally lose the streak when he can still put together physically a good match.

I agree to be honest. the streak has been fantastic but the undertaker is really getting on now and he looks less imposed every year. I think his walk away from the ring tonight really made him look a bit frail. Especially for a man who is getting in the ring with Brock Lesnar. The shaved head isn't helping. I'm sure we will see an epic match but the streak has to end one way or another soon, not necessarily this year but soon enough so undertaker is still able to deliver a good match in his last appearance. I think Lesnar is one of the few people who wouldn't be despised as the guy who ended the streak either. I think he can take it and as one of the most genuinely scary men who ever wrestled I would accept him as the guy to do it.

bradlente

Ironically if the main event of Mania stays the way its planned it might be must watch stuff.Imagine the hate....Maybe Hulk will pass on the torch of title winning swerves at the grandaddy to Bryan who'll come out and win in some haphazard fashion.

Anyway,That show was mostly lame and left me questioning why I've nothing better to do at 4am on a Tuesday morning.Cheers WWE!:)

B.A._Baracus

I am not a betting man. But I am going to place a large wager on the undertaker to win at mania :pac:

Personally I view it as easy money, lol. What odds does he usually get?

gnfnrhead

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I am not a betting man. But I am going to place a large wager on the undertaker to win at mania :pac:

Personally I view it as easy money, lol. What odds does he usually get?

Against a part timer like Lesnar it will no doubt be crap odds that arent worth the bet. I'd imagine only Cena would give good odds. Maybe Bryan.

Jester252

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I am not a betting man. But I am going to place a large wager on the undertaker to win at mania :pac:

Personally I view it as easy money, lol. What odds does he usually get?

1/100 odds

Rock Lesnar

It promised so much and delivered nothing.

Mania is looking like an ordinary ppv this year, Lesnar and Wyatt in matches we already know the outcome and Bryan in a match the people dont want to see him in and this is before we get to the main event.

A Primal Nut

D.Q wrote: »

I'm trying to get my head around this. They were given an open contract so they could pick any opponent. But they said no, because they wanted history to conquer, ie. The undertakers streak who they could have chosen with the open contract.

They orignally wanted Brock Lesnar in the WWE title match. HHH/Stephanie gave them an open contract to fight anyone at WM but not for the WWE title. Heyman/Lesnar at that point wanted to make history and they were only thinking of the WWE title at that point - afterall, they don't know Undertaker is coming back or didn't think about it. So as they only had the WWE title in their minds as a way to make history, they turned down the open contract opportunity.

Undertaker comes back, gives them a different way to make history, so they go with it.

Makes sense to me anyway.

A Primal Nut

I still have this hope that they are leaving everything to the night at WrestleMania, Bryan beats HHH, Batista/Orton match happens and then Hogan comes out and gives Bryan his title opportunity. Would be amazing if they did like that.

I just can't get my head around the idea that they won't give Bryan his big moment at WrestleMania. It's a perfect opportunity, one of those "all the stars are aligning at the right time" moments.

He doesn't have to become the no.1 guy or go on a big long title reign, He could lose the title again a couple of months later, doesn't really matter. But as a way to send people home happy, and make people already at home happy, you can't beat it.

Soft Falling Rain

Maybe as a condition for Trips accepting the match, Bryan would have to accept a stip that if he loses, he'll never get another title shot. But if he wins, he gets added to Batista/Orton later on.

I suppose though that would it make it obvious that Bryan will beat Trips, but I'd hope that'd be a given anyway. :eek: :pac:

cena

How did this thread get so big. Only two or 3 pages when I went to bed.
Where ye expecting it to be a big raw

SlickRic

a pathetic Raw.

I have zero excitement for Mania.

Penn

Obviously Lesnar isn't going to beat Taker. That's pretty much a given. My issue is that I don't believe it'll be a good match. We knew Punk was being beaten last year but the ability to put on a good match was enough to make people want to watch it. I don't have the same faith in Lesnar and Taker. This'll be the first time since at least WM25 that I have zero interest in Taker's match.

As for the suggestion that Bryan might be added to the main event if he beats HHH, I can't see it happening. It'd mean they can't advertise WM as having a definitive main event, and would show a lack of faith in Orton V Batista as a main event itself. I don't know who they plan to have win that match, but I'd almost rather not see Bryan in it if he's going to lose. Let him beat HHH and start building towards main eventing next year, provided they can keep up Bryan's momentum until then, which admittedly is a big ask.

Lord TSC

Thought it was a good Raw, at least in terms of progressing the story beats THEY want to progress.

They established a few matches and locked them in, and have set up the others for the next week or two. That's grand, no need to splunk everything out on one show. I prefer how they are handling Bryan's challenge than if they just had HHH come out and completely contradict himself. Bryan needs to give HHH a reason to fight him. Likewise, they can do the Shield break-up as a show closing moment next week or the week after, rather than do it and then have it overwhelmed by Taker/Brock.

Taker/Brock will be a war in the best way possible.

Whoever booked the Usos like that should be shot! Was always going to turn the crowd on them.

And Orton/Batista was interesting. I'm glad they achknowledged the crowd reactions, but the response of "TOUGH!" won't do anything other than turn them even more on Batista. Interesting they let the Punk chant ring so loud though.

rovert

PWTorch has confirmed with multiple sources that John Cena's "injury" on Raw was a work and not a legitimate knee injury.

WWE played up the "injury" throughout Raw, then followed up on their new post-game show claiming that Cena "felt his knee shift or give out" during a scrap with the Wyatts.

WWE added in their "medical update" that Cena was transported to a local medical facility, where they wanted Cena to undergo and MRI, but Cena refused. WWE said the medical team would continue monitoring Cena's health.

WWE went through with a coordinated effort to sell the injury, as WWE had audio of Cena complaining about the "injury" on a single-leg take down by Erick Rowan and the announcers were prepped to focus on the takedown spot during a post-segment replay.

Cena is scheduled to face Bray Wyatt at WrestleMania 30, setting the stage for Cena to sell a knee injury throughout the WM30 build-up.

ok

Penn

It says a lot that they feel the need to have Cena injured to make his match against Bray Wyatt (with Harper and Rowan in his corner) seem fair

Soft Falling Rain

rovert wrote: »

ok

Quite a random way of trying to raise the stakes so to speak. Couldn't they just do a kidnap angle with his bird?

RobbingBandit

That Knee looked dislocated.

# It's still real to me god dammit.

ricero

Its still takers yard ! Also himself v lesnar should be a last man standing match

gnfnrhead

I think that's just a quick cover story. Cena got hurt, but not badly so they decided to roll with it. Wyatts wouldnt have backed off if it was a work.

GTR63

Gonna be pissed if Taker doesn't have a set of MMA gear(if he has the balls to wear it). They should have Frank Murr corner him too.

brinty

GTR63 wrote: »

Gonna be pissed if Taker doesn't have a set of MMA gear(if he has the balls to wear it). They should have Frank Murr MIR corner him too.

Corrected that for you
Now this is just the worst i've ever hear...Taker going for 22-0 and needs to be cornered...come off it

GTR63

brinty wrote: »

Corrected that for you
Now this is just the worst i've ever hear...Taker going for 22-0 and needs to be cornered...come off it

Its the way Brock says it.

brinty

GTR63 wrote: »

Its the way Brock says it.

He calls him Frankie!!!!
I just love punching Frankie in the face
And we all enjoyed him doing it didn't we???

Lord TSC

Also, ****ing Arron Paul will now be on Graham Norton, Top Gear AND Raw in the space of 4 days. Will be well sick of him by this day next week :P

grames_bond

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Also, ****ing Arron Paul will now be on Graham Norton, Top Gear AND Raw in the space of 4 days. Will be well sick of him by this day next week :P

Lord TSC

Ha, yeah. But spare a thought for the one guy on the planet who hasn't watched Breaking Bad so doesn't really know who he is

Thought Hogan got a nice pop at the start.

They should have had someone interview him (like mean Gene used to) and give him points to talk about rather than give him stuff to say about the network and all which he was struggling with.

Something has to be changed with the Emma gimmick. Don't think think it would be too bad if she just did the dance when she got into the ring or after the match but it looks stupid doing it the whole way down to the ring, before the match in the ring, during the match and after the match.

Like someone else said I lost excitement about Taker coming back around 6 years ago.

JohnMc1

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Vince will be flipping if it's a legit injury. They would be very quickly going down the card if they managed to injure Cena.

He was supposed to be out for 6 months or more last Summer but he came back after 2. So even if he is legit injured he'll still be at Mania.

A Primal Nut

Moneymaker wrote: »

Why the **** isn't that on the actual show?

Baffling.

Presumably they want to show how great the preshow is to give even more reason to buy the network. Like you better watch the preshow or you might miss something important.

Hopefully it's just a once off for the launch of the network and the first preshow.

It's annoying though, expecting people to sit through four hours of pre-show, RAW and post-show every Monday in case you might miss something is really taking the piss.

Professional Griefer

It was pretty ****ty the way they got Bryan to try get the fans behind him and HHHs match at Wrestlemania. Looking forward to next weeks Raw, hopefully the crowd goes crazy

GTR63

Just watched it. Bit of a mixed bag but Lesnar vs Ming should be interesting. Batistas match & post match promo were so half assed surely they can't go through with that match.

gnfnrhead

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Presumably they want to show how great the preshow is to give even more reason to buy the network. Like you better watch the preshow or you might miss something important.

Hopefully it's just a once off for the launch of the network and the first preshow.

It's annoying though, expecting people to sit through four hours of pre-show, RAW and post-show every Monday in case you might miss something is really taking the piss.

They kinda made it pointless by then showing it anyway later on in the show.