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Feminism and the emasculation of men
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Femme_Fatale wrote: »Oh dear. I don't know why that is, but if western women aren't interested in a guy, they're not interested in a guy. They don't owe him anything, even if they have the nerve not to be gorgeous.
The constant talk here of women being preoccupied with wealth refers to an alien world to me.
In the world I live in, if you like a person, you like a person - and that's all there is to it.
I know there are gold-diggers out there (I cannot relate to them in the slightest) - the stereotype exists for a reason. But is it as widespread as said here on AH? I doubt it very, very much.
Femme,I think these guys were just glad and perhaps astonished that they were well received by intelligent,beautiful women who take care of themselves as opposed to being bossed around by bitchy, overweight, self entitled munters.
sorry to be crude but you know what I mean
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I'm all for gender equality, but as a man I'm honestly getting a bit confused about a man's role in western society. back in the old dark ages, a fella looked after his lady and children and had a more dominant role in society. It's great to see women are more independent, but sometimes I can't help wondering have men become more emasculated and submissive. In my experience when a man is sexualised it is a big laugh generally with an undertone of 'you go girl', when it's the opposite the man is a pathetic sleaze. Also, when a woman is being rude or aggressive, men are expected to be sensitive to this. Sometimes it feels we're being shamed for simply just being male.
These are just some of my thoughts I felt worthy of discussion.
Also to add, this is not a anti-women thread, as I personally cherish and appreciate women with the upmost respect.
The male gender has not been emasculated it is simply trying to find a new identity. I don't doubt it is confusing. I think men are trying to find a way to express male sexuality. However I also think that is curtailed in Ireland by leave overs from conservatism.
Men are trying to learn how to be sexual whilst not dehumanizing the opposite gender. It is about seeing the female as a sexual subject and not a sex object. Sexuality is there for mutual enjoyment and consent.
Men ( some men then) do not know the difference between flirtatious and intimidating and do not know social cues well.
That is not to say some women are not sleazy. Some are and WAY overstep the mark and that is not right either.
I think you are mistaken in what feminism was.
I think men and women today forgot what we were coming from. They think the milder forms of sexism of the 70's were what feminism was coming from.
The role of feminism was to get women the right in law to vote the right in law to own property the right in law to open a bank account the right in law to inherit ( as in inheriting her parents property as opposed to some distant relative.) As regards property French married women suffered from restrictions on their legal capacity which were removed only in 1965! until the mid-19th century, writers largely assumed that a patriarchal order was a natural order that had always existed. This perception was not seriously challenged until the 18th century when Jesuit missionaries found matrilineality in native North American peoples. English law defined the role of the wife as a ‘feme covert’, emphasizing her subordination to her husband, and putting her under the ‘protection and influence of her husband, her baron, or lord’. Upon marriage, the husband and wife became one person under the law, as the property of the wife was surrendered to her husband, and her legal identity ceased to exist. Aware of their daughters’ unfortunate situation, fathers often provided them with dowries or worked into a prenuptial agreement pin money, the estate which the wife was to possess for her sole and separate use not subject to the control of her husband, to provide her with an income separate from his.
In contrast to wives, women who never married or who were widowed maintained control over their property and inheritance, owned land and controlled property disposal, since by law any unmarried adult female was considered to be a feme sole. Once married, the only way that women could reclaim property was through widowhood.
A woman was a bondservant of her husband literally. In Irish law even in 1957 Since 1957, a married woman in Ireland has still no real identity or existence in her own right. She is still regarded as the chattel of her husband. Her domicile is automatically her husband's - that is to say, if he happens to be in America, she is also legally speaking in America, no matter where she might 'actually' be. She must have permission from him for all kinds of things - pledging any credit or making almost any kind of private financial arrangements; putting the children on her passport; in certain cases, if she needs to have a gynaecological operation.!!!
There is a painting called 'the unequal marriage' by Vasili Pukirev in it a girl of a bout 13 or so marries a very old man. It is a reminder that in high society this type of marriage of a young girl who would be probably illiterate would marry a much older man and have no right to her own money, property or legal status. The Unequal Marriage (1862), is a painting depicting the wedding ceremony of an elderly, high-ranking official and a young, visibly unhappy girl. This was one of the celebrated denunciatory pictures of the 1860s, revealing the unequal position of women and the corruption of bureaucracy. THAT was what feminism was against.
I would be in the camp of feminist that would argue that in law for the most part equality has been achieved. I would state that in Ireland however the abortion issue is still unacceptable to me as it stands.
By the way women on the whole are NOT interested in a guy for money we want our own monies
. Seriously it's easy to say someone does not like you for money because well it's the perfect excuse you will never know. Not unless you become rich. How do poor guys reproduce then if all women want money??
By the way it's safe to say you should not be shaping your interpersonal relationships on what society says you should be talking to the person you are trying to get to know and stating your needs and getting to know theirs.
Some couples are more traditional and some are not. Some women want to be homemakers and some don't.
By the way men have the right to be attracted to what they are attracted to but they don't have a right to be jerks about it.
Each to their own. I am a skinny blonde girl. I know 'curvier girls ' who get WAY more attention than me because that is what some guys are into.
It is only people with low self esteem themselves who try and make others feel bad about themselves for having bad skin or a lazy eye etc.
They have to so they can justify treating that person like crap. And if one of 'the beautiful people ' is falling over themselves for you even if you treat them like crap then they are in it for something else or are just plain crazy.
It's the goldiggers who kiss ass... genuine women require genuine effort.
It is the truth though that this society has been raised to think sex and love are on tap when they are in fact precious and love is rare. It used to be a person only expected to fall in love and hook up a few times in a life time. Now they expect much more. It is rare to make that kind of connection. And people do not cherish it when they find it.
I have to just say though eastern Europeans both men and women put in waay more effort into relationships. It might be just the case that Irish culture is not set up for romance in a more liberal less socially constructed world. Beyond that though when men go on about finding women in notoriously much more misogynistic cultures it does sort of sound like ' I am going to pick up a female slave in the land when men still rule'. I simply think, 'rather her than me.'
I can tell you being bisexual dating men or women is tough because relationships are tough and it has less to do with gender and more to do with your own personal failings and bitterness as a woman or as a man.0 -
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