The Road to the Ryder Cup 2014

First Up

blackwhite wrote: »

Luke hasn't entered the Italian Open, so can't gain any more points in the race.

But isn't GMAc looking to get his place from the World Points list? Donald will be in the field in Boston next week and plenty of points on offer there.

blackwhite

First Up wrote: »

But isn't GMAc looking to get his place from the World Points list? Donald will be in the field in Boston next week and plenty of points on offer there.

It's detailed at the bottom of this page.
http://www.europeantour.com/rydercup/points/

The Ryder Cup World Points List will comprise Official World Golf Ranking Points won by a Member from each tournament in which he participates between August 26th 2013 and August 24th 2014 (or the conclusion of all the OWGR tournaments scheduled to conclude on that date, whichever is the latter), and thereafter ONLY from the Race to Dubai Tournament scheduled to conclude on August 31st 2014.

Important to note that it's points earned in the above period that counts, not the actual ranking in the OWGR.

The only remaining event on either tour that counts towards Ryder Cup points is the Italian Open - the Barclays was the last counting event in the US.

First Up

blackwhite wrote: »

It's detailed at the bottom of this page.
http://www.europeantour.com/rydercup/points/



Important to note that it's points earned in the above period that counts, not the actual ranking in the OWGR.

The only remaining event on either tour that counts towards Ryder Cup points is the Italian Open - the Barclays was the last counting event in the US.

Fair enough - thanks.

abff

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

I only noticed that Gallacher is ahead of Westwood in the OWGR! If he just came short next week id give him the 3rd wildcard ahead of Westwood. I'd doubt McGinley would though. He's gone ahead of Poulter as well but he's a cert to be picked despite his lack of form. Of course Miguel is still ahead of them all but hasn't shown at all since winning his home open.

I don't know. I think McGinley is savvy enough to know that, whatever the English media say, he will be remembered as either a losing or winning captain. And that will make him choose the player who is likely to deliver the best performance in this year's competition,

So maybe he WILL pick Gallacher if he doesn't qualify automatically. In some ways, I almost hope that Gallacher knocks McDowell out of the top 9, because I can't see any way that McGinley could justify picking Westwood ahead of McDowell.

Tones69

Gotta pick poults anyway for sure

Speak Now

abff wrote: »

I don't know. I think McGinley is savvy enough to know that, whatever the English media say, he will be remembered as either a losing or winning captain. And that will make him choose the player who is likely to deliver the best performance in this year's competition,

So maybe he WILL pick Gallacher if he doesn't qualify automatically. In some ways, I almost hope that Gallacher knocks McDowell out of the top 9, because I can't see any way that McGinley could justify picking Westwood ahead of McDowell.

If that happened you'd imagine the last spot would be between Donald and Westwood. Be great alright for Gallacher to put the cat amongst the pigeons.

abff

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

If that happened you'd imagine the last spot would be between Donald and Westwood. Be great alright for Gallacher to put the cat amongst the pigeons.

I agree. I can't see either McDowell or Poulter being left out of the side.

Rikand

Come on Stevie G!!!

vienne86

Well Poulter is a must pick, and if GMac doesn't qualify, he would have to be picked too. Last spot.....Donald vs Westwood, I suppose. Neither is setting the world alight, but they have good track record in the Ryder cup and would have to be assets in the team room.

First Up

vienne86 wrote: »

Well Poulter is a must pick, and if GMac doesn't qualify, he would have to be picked too. Last spot.....Donald vs Westwood, I suppose. Neither is setting the world alight, but they have good track record in the Ryder cup and would have to be assets in the team room.

I think he'll give it to Gallacher.

Jazzzman

First Up wrote: »

I think he'll give it to Gallacher.

I'd be shocked.

abff

First Up wrote: »

I think he'll give it to Gallacher.

I think it depends. If Gallacher plays well this week and just narrowly fails to make the top 9, then he might be given a pick ahead of Westwood (or Donald?). If he plays badly, then he's less likely to be picked.

He's currently 2 under after 10, so he's doing OK so far.

First Up

abff wrote: »

I think it depends. If Gallacher plays well this week and just narrowly fails to make the top 9, then he might be given a pick ahead of Westwood (or Donald?). If he plays badly, then he's less likely to be picked.

He's currently 2 under after 10, so he's doing OK so far.

Local boy, good record on the course (knows it backwards) and playing a lot better than some of the other names being mentioned. There is already a ton of experience in the Euro side.

ionadnapokot

I would like to see Gallacher automatically qualify. I thought that Poulter, Donald and Westwood would be the wildcards. But if he qualifies, McDowell is then a WC cert and probably Westwood will miss out. The more I read about Gallacher the more I think McGinley will go for him even if a wildcard is required. Poulter and Donald I think are certs. Donald because I reckon he and Garcia will be paired up again for the foursomes. Poulter likewise, he looks like a strong contender to partner Rose again. I cant see McGinley putting all the spotlight on McIlroy and McDowell in the opening foursomes, when he can go with two other tried and tested pairs in Rose / Poulter and Garcia / Donald.

Friday. Foursomes: Rose / Poulter, McIlroy / Donaldson, Garcia / Donald, McDowell / Dubuisson.
Four-ball: Westwood – Kaymer, McIlroy – Poulter, Stenson – Bjorn, Garcia – Donald.

Saturday: Foursomes -Rose / Poulter, McIlroy / McDowell, Kaymer / Stenson, Garcia / Donald.
Four-ball: Westwood - Donaldson, Bjorn – Stenson, McIlroy – Dubuisson, McDowell – Rose.

This would leave only McIlroy having played 4 matches. Stenson, McDowell, Garcia, Donald and Poulter having played 3. And everybody else having played twice.
McGinley could also be swayed to go with Gallacher because he would galvanise a Scottish fan base and he is very familiar with Gleneagles (lives 35 miles away, lost in playoff at the Johnnie Walker Championship in August last year).

If Gallacher finishes top 10 on Sunday. Westood will be sweating buckets!

TrapperChamonix

TrapperChamonix wrote: »

Can't see the justification to be honest.


More sensible outside pick might be Marc Warren. 3rd in Scottish Open, 43rd in the British, 15th in the USPGA and 1st in Denmark

Currently 1 behind the leaders. If you are looking for a form player........

Speak Now

TrapperChamonix wrote: »

Currently 1 behind the leaders. If you are looking for a form player........

Id love a form player to get a wildcard, I wouldn't fancy giving all 3 to players out of form just for their experience.

Tiger Mcilroy

Tones69 wrote: »

Gotta pick poults anyway for sure

Im gonna get slated for this but hey ho.

I know he will get a pick but he is so out of form its insane and in my opinion could be as good as giving away 2/3 points and i dont think he should be in the team playing the way he is

161st - 61.65% Greens in regulation.
106st - 60%in driving accuracy

When we consider that he is likely to play possibly every match these two stats alone are a huge concern in foursomes and fourball matches ...

There is every chance he will play like god a la the last ryder cup and i hope he does but imo picking a player in this bad a form is a risk and there has to be some objectivity.

Jazzzman

TrapperChamonix wrote: »

Currently 1 behind the leaders. If you are looking for a form player........

Marc Warren is 25th in the standings and winning the Danish Open, albeit a win, wouldn't exactly knock McGinleys socks off. Weak field.

Westwood is 16th in the standings and was 15th at the USPGA and 19th at Bridgestone. He's showing form.

With Westwoods pedigree and experience, that's a more impressive that Marc Warrens position.

Arsenium

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Im gonna get slated for this but hey ho.

I know he will get a pick but he is so out of form its insane and in my opinion could be as good as giving away 2/3 points and i dont think he should be in the team playing the way he is

161st - 61.65% Greens in regulation.
106st - 60%in driving accuracy

When we consider that he is likely to play possibly every match these two stats alone are a huge concern in foursomes and fourball matches ...

There is every chance he will play like god a la the last ryder cup and i hope he does but imo picking a player in this bad a form is a risk and there has to be some objectivity.

I had a similar post to this typed up a few times only to chicken out of sending it. His form is atrocious and picking a player just because of past glories is risky in the extreme. However, it's almost nailed on that he will be picked and if he does I hope he delivers the goods.

And I'll be cheering him on saying I told you so....

Tiger Mcilroy

Arsenium wrote: »

I had a similar post to this typed up a few times only to chicken out of sending it. His form is atrocious and picking a player just because of past glories is risky in the extreme. However, it's almost nailed on that he will be picked and if he does I hope he delivers the goods.

And I'll be cheering him on saying I told you so....

My sentiments exactly.

slave1

I think the fact Poults has not come out and declared himself out for a captain's pick due to his horrendous year speaks a lot, he wants to be there and is convinced he can raise his game.
I think he can too.

Tiger Mcilroy

slave1 wrote: »

I think the fact Poults has not come out and declared himself out for a captain's pick due to his horrendous year speaks a lot, he wants to be there and is convinced he can raise his game.
I think he can too.

Poulter wants to be at the ryder cup, i have no doubt he will be picked i just hope it doesnt backfire.

vienne86

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Poulter wants to be at the ryder cup, i have no doubt he will be picked i just hope it doesnt backfire.

Agree completely here. I can't see him not being picked, but his form is frightful.

Rikand

vienne86 wrote: »

Agree completely here. I can't see him not being picked, but his form is frightful.

And people still champion the case of Westwood. A man who's Ryder cup record is Average compared to Donald and Poulter, just above 0.5, and with 4 missed cuts in his last 7 starts. Would have been 5, but he just got into the Barkley's by the skin of his teeth

slave1

Rikand wrote: »

And people still champion the case of Westwood. A man who's Ryder cup record is Average compared to Donald and Poulter, just above 0.5, and with 4 missed cuts in his last 7 starts. Would have been 5, but he just got into the Barkley's by the skin of his teeth

Westy is the strongest putter of those looking for a pick, I kid you not!
Ryder cup is decided on big putts

First Up

slave1 wrote: »

Westy is the strongest putter of those looking for a pick, I kid you not!
Ryder cup is decided on big putts

Luke Donald is at least as good

Rikand

slave1 wrote: »

Westy is the strongest putter of those looking for a pick, I kid you not!
Ryder cup is decided on big putts

I'm looking for the :pac: or the or even the but I'm not seeing them....

Rikand

http://www.rydercup.com/europe/2014/team/european-ryder-cup-points-list

Final confirmed list of qualifiers from both points lists.

Stevie G so close on the World Points List!

Luke wasn't far behind him and then poulter next on the list. poulter also first on the European points list of those who havent already qualified.

Speak Now

Rikand wrote: »

http://www.rydercup.com/europe/2014/team/european-ryder-cup-points-list

Final confirmed list of qualifiers from both points lists.

Stevie G so close on the World Points List!

Luke wasn't far behind him and then poulter next on the list. poulter also first on the European points list of those who havent already qualified.

Gallacher and Poulter the only players in the top 12 of both lists not to make the team!

Rikand

From the World Rankings before the conclusion of this weeks tournaments

It couldn't be any closer overall!

European Ranked Top 9 [ average world ranking 13.1111111 ] { Total ranks divided by 9 }

McIlroy 1st
Stenson 3rd
Garcia 4th
Rose 5th
Kaymer 14th
Gmac 16th
Dooby 22nd
Bjorn 26th
Donaldson 27th

Likely European Picks ( my opinion )

Donald 29th
Gallagher 34th
Poulter 35th


US Ranked Top 9 [ Average World Ranking 13.0 ]

Furyk 6th
Kuchar 8th
Bubba 9th
Mickleson 10th
Fowler 11th
Spieth 13th
Zach Johnson 15th
Jimmy Walker 20th
Patrick Reed 25th

Likely American Picks ( my opinion )

Hunter 19th
Keegan 24th
Simpson 32nd

abff

I really hope McGinley picks Gallacher. He really deserves it based on his form all season and how he played in the last two tournaments. I think McGinley as good as said that he would get a pick when asked about the team on Sky Sports at the end of yesterday's Italian Open championship.

He was asked straight out if the wild cards boil down to a choice between Gallacher, Donald, Poulter and Westwood and he said that Fransisco would have to be added to that list. But I can't see him picking Molinari ahead of both Donald and Westwood. And bad and all as Poulter's recent form has been, at least he made it into the second round of the playoffs and his Ryder Cup records is much better than Westwood's.

If it was me, I would pick Gallacher, Poulter and Donald. I hope McGinley makes the same choice.

Rikand

Forget what I said about webb simpson. Chris kirk has got this!

abff

Just looking at the online betting odds and Poulter, Westwood and Gallacher are all long odds on. Looks as if the bookies are expecting Donald to lose out.

Speak Now

Cant believe Westwood is going to be there.

charlieIRL

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Cant believe Westwood is going to be there.

we don't know yet!!

dball

When & Where - is this on the tv ?

anyone

charlieIRL

dball wrote: »

When & Where - is this on the tv ?

anyone

Its online here

Speak Now

charlieIRL wrote: »

we don't know yet!!

I'm preparing myself!!!

AGC

12.30?

vienne86

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Cant believe Westwood is going to be there.

Please be wrong.....please! :eek:

Johnny_Fontane

be surprised if westwood makes it.

Hes way down the money list (behind lowry) and 6 players above him on world points list.

AGC

1/40 when betting closed, so was Gallacher and Poulter

Speak Now

Bah!

SnowDrifts

Westwood, Poulter and Gallacher.

*Why are there two threads discussing the same topic?

bob11

on sky sports news:

poulter, westwood and gallacher

Johnny_Fontane

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

be surprised if westwood makes it.

Hes way down the money list (behind lowry) and 6 players above him on world points list.

what do I know!

whatever the decision between donald and westwood, its a very strong team with a good mix of youth and ryder cup experience.

I dont feel bad for anyone that didnt make it either, they didnt play well enough.

Rikand

agreed Johnny. Didnt play well enough indeed.

We still have a strong team either way.

Looking forward to the American Picks tonight now....

Hunter/Keegan/Kirk would be my guess

PropJoe10

I think those are fair picks. Westwood and Poulter for the experience and Gallagher because hes earned it. Tough on Donald but no room for sentiment.

AGC

Rikand wrote: »

Hunter/Keegan/Kirk would be my guess

Yeah until last night Watson had not much of a decision to make. Id go with Kirk above Simpson and Moore

slave1