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Chelsea fans stabbed in Istanbul

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  • #52
    Pepe LeFrits
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    Why not just stop fans traveling then?

    It's not a football issue.


  • #53
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    Why not just stop fans traveling then?

    It's not a football issue.

    that just punishes the innocent party


  • #54
    Pepe LeFrits
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    batistuta9 wrote: »
    that just punishes the innocent party
    The clubs and FAs are also innocent.


  • #55
    Pro. F
    Registered Users Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    Why not just stop fans traveling then?

    It's not a football issue.

    Because that would reward cities for violent attacks on fans. You are not discussing this topic honestly.


  • #56
    Pepe LeFrits
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    No, I just don't agree with punishing clubs for things that have nothing to do with them.


  • #57
    GavRedKing
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    No, I just don't agree with punishing clubs for things that have nothing to do with them.

    Thats sweeping it under carpet to easily. Any genuine fans shouldnt be wearing the clubs colours and causing trouble because it gives the club a name and image that it doesnt deserve due to a tiny miniority of fans.


  • #58
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    The clubs and FAs are also innocent.

    technically yes.

    they're also technically innocent when people shout racist abuse in their stadium - how can they control what people shout? - but still get fined for it.
    they can issues warnings & ban/block people who they know/suspect of it but still can't control people in the ground.
    juve fans got banned for abusing napoli, replaced by nice innocent school children. except they also shouted at the udinese keeper & juve got fined
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25208734

    banning a club playing at home would be more of a punishment to their supporters than fining the club.
    is it fair? probably not but you're not going to achieve fairness in the situation anyway


  • #59
    Pepe LeFrits
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    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Thats sweeping it under carpet to easily. Any genuine fans shouldnt be wearing the clubs colours and causing trouble because it gives the club a name and image that it doesnt deserve due to a tiny miniority of fans.
    It's the reality, Gav. Of course fans should conduct themselves well and as ambassadors of the club. And while fans see themselves as being /the/ club and its representatives, the reality is that they are not. They have nothing to do with it, and the club isn't responsible for them and can't be held accountable for their behaviour.

    What a club can be held accountable for is the safety and conduct of fans whilst they are on their premises, that's it. They have zero responsibility for every nutter in the world who decides to throw on a replica jersey, head into town and kick off.


  • #60
    Crann na Beatha
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  • #61
    Pepe LeFrits
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    That's an appeal to emotion.


  • #62
    smileyj1987
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    kksaints wrote: »
    You could allow fans from from both teams but it would be easier to prevent known troublesome fans from preventing them from travelling on the days before the match.

    I would make it away fans only and the people at that sort of crap would stop because people who support the team won't be too happy with them .


  • #63
    The_Kew_Tour
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    smileyj1987 wrote: »
    I would make it away fans only and the people at that sort of crap would stop because people who support the team won't be too happy with them .

    I would have to agree here.

    Bringing the home fans will cause trouble too. If its only away fans into the stadium you will see change in attitude.


  • #64
    Pro. F
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    No, I just don't agree with punishing clubs for things that have nothing to do with them.

    I can see your issue. There's no simple solution to this problem. But you chose to argue your side by asking ridiculous questions and having a pop about the level of the discussion when people patiently responded to you.


  • #65
    Guy:Incognito
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    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Thats sweeping it under carpet to easily. Any genuine fans shouldnt be wearing the clubs colours and causing trouble because it gives the club a name and image that it doesnt deserve due to a tiny miniority of fans.

    What can a club do to stop visiting fans being attacked away from the ground while matches aren't even going going on by people that don't have anything to do with the club and may not even have the tenuous link of having once bought a jersey?


  • #66
    Lawrence1895
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    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Just to be clear, the Ataturk thing isn't literally blasphemy, he's not a religious figure. Turkish people don't tolerate a bad word against him however and it's actually illegal to insult him in Turkey.

    That 'blasphemy' story was mentioned to me by some Turks in Germany though. Of course he is not a religious figure, but still, any insult towards Ataturk is dealt with in the same manner, blasphemy would be, from a court's point of view.


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