your world 11?

premierstone

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Suarez is better than Ibra.

Maybe against Norwich but put me as a manager in a World Cup final tommorrow or a European Cup Final and I would have Ibra all day long.

Ibra has also been at the top alot longer and proved it in many different arenas and leagues and against all sorts of opposition, Suarez is class but he has yet to deliver that level of quality consistently.

Its one of the biggest shames of this years world cup that Ibra won't be there, it will lessen it as a spectacle for me anyway.

Corholio

I think Suarez is the kind of guy who could actually carry Uruguay, I'm not sure Ibrahimovic is the type of player to do that for Sweden, even though people will say he's been doing that to Sweden for a little while, which is partly true, however when he's disinterested it has hampered Sweden in the past.

On both players, I think because of Ibra's excellent record I'd have him above Suarez right now.

Moneymaker

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Why? I haven't gone through your team and called anything absurd. It's an opinion and my opinion is that Victor Valdes has been the best goalkeeper in the world for the last 2 years.

You can have an opinion but that doesn't mean its right.

CSF

Skylinehead wrote: »

How is Suarez more effective though? Ibrahimovic is a great target man as well as to feet. Suarez has more assists but Zlatan's getting more goals. Seems pretty even to me, it's the fact that Zlatan scores the spectacular 30 yard volley every week that makes him better for me.

For me, Suarez's assists/goals to game ratio this season, taking into account the level of opposition, would only ever be exceeded by Messi or Ronaldo

eagle eye

Liam O wrote: »

I'm most surprised at the lack of players from Bayern in most teams. In a lot of cases Lahm, Alaba and Neuer are the only ones there. More Schweinsteiger in the last few teams but the people who put Vidal, Toure and others ahead of him are just laughable imo. Toure in anyone's team is laughable really. Nowhere near the top centre mid in the world. Suarez doesn't get in because Messi has to be accommodated in his best position which is also Suarez's. Can't move Suarez out wide as there are players better suited to those positions. Same with Ibra unfortunately.

Schweinsteiger has not been the same player he was over the last 12 months or so. He has fallen down the pecking order for me and would currently be behind Vidal, Toure and a couple of others imo.

Skylinehead

eagle eye wrote: »

Schweinsteiger has not been the same player he was over the last 12 months or so. He has fallen down the pecking order for me and would currently be behind Vidal, Toure and a couple of others imo.

Only because he's been injured all season. Fit, he gets into any world XI for me.

Iused2likebusts

I have never seen vidal play . Really looking forward to seeing him in action at the world cup. Lots on here seem to really rate him.

Moneymaker

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I have never seen vidal play . Really looking forward to seeing him in action at the world cup. Lots on here seem to really rate him.

Best midfielder in the world this season. He's basically the complete player.

bucketybuck

premierstone wrote: »

Alot of so called football fans from these shores have a very poor knowledge of the continental European Leagues, and because Dunphy and to a lesser extent Giles told us for years that Ibra was lazy and not very good, alot of people actually started to believe it, despite the fact that all the available evidence very much points to the oppoiste, the man is a fcukin genius and in any other era of football would be hailed as 'The Greatest'.

Such hyperbole in the other direction doesn't really help your argument. Its just as easy to say that it has become the cool thing to praise Ibrahimovic and that his talents are being vastly overrated.

Not G.R

CSF wrote: »

For me, Suarez's assists/goals to game ratio this season, taking into account the level of opposition, would only ever be exceeded by Messi or Ronaldo

"Quality of opposition"

Wat.

Suarez hasn't scored against United, Chelsea, Arsenal or City (in the league anyway) this season, instead filling his pockets against Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff & WBA.

Meanwhile Ibra is top scorer in the CL this season...

Nobody (I hope) would argue against him being an outstanding striker... There are just better players to pick from.

Skylinehead

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its just as easy to say that it has become the cool thing to praise Ibrahimovic and that his talents are being vastly overrated.

It'd be wrong though. There isn't a player on the planet that scores so many spectacular goals, week in week out.

CSF

Not G.R wrote: »

"Quality of opposition"

Wat.

Suarez hasn't scored against United, Chelsea, Arsenal or City (in the league anyway) this season, instead filling his pockets against Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff & WBA.

Meanwhile Ibra is top scorer in the CL this season...

Nobody (I hope) would argue against him being an outstanding striker... There are just better players to pick from.

The standard in the Premiership is still infinitely better that in Ligue 1 from top to bottom. Ibra has had a great season in the Champions League, I will give you that, not that it pains me too much to do that, considering I think he is ****in fantastic.

eagle eye

Skylinehead wrote: »

Only because he's been injured all season. Fit, he gets into any world XI for me.

But he hasn't been fit so imo you cannot pick him ahead of players that have done it in that time. This is a current world xi I presume?

jimmurt

12gauge dave wrote: »

whats your world 11?


my world 11


neuer


d.alves ramos pique alaba



lahm fabregas


ribery messi bale


ronaldo

Lahm in midfield?

jimmurt

DazMarz wrote: »

GK: Neuer

LB: Alaba
CB: Hummels
CB: Kompany
RB: Azpilicueta

MF: Touré
MF: Vidal
MF: Modric

AM: Hazard
AM: Gotze

AM/FW: Messi

What does Ronaldo have to do to get on your team?

EuropeanSon

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I would say he is marginally better, although better nonetheless. I love how you're implying that Suarez is nowhere near Ibra's level.

I'm implying nothing of the sort. I'm stating that it's impossible not to see that Ibra is better. That doesn't mean Suarez isn't anywhere near his level, but just that there's no argument you could make in favour of Suarez being better.

eagle eye

I've always been a huge fan of Ibra but right now I'd have Suarez ahead of him. Suarez for me is a tireless worker and has a better goal to game ratio. Ibra can be very lazy and do nothing in games but he turns up with those goals more often than not and that makes him very special but I just think Suarez is a better all around player.

CSF

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I'm implying nothing of the sort. I'm stating that it's impossible not to see that Ibra is better. That doesn't mean Suarez isn't anywhere near his level, but just that there's no argument you could make in favour of Suarez being better.

I would have thought a higher domestic (Suarez doesn't play in Europe) goal and assist ratio would be a pretty decent argument. But don't let that stop you from going down the 'I'm right and your stupid for thinking otherwise' route.

eagle eye

jimmurt wrote: »

Lahm in midfield?

I picked Lahm in midfield too, he has been playing there a lot for Bayern this season and has seriously impressed as a DM.

Red Crow

Neuer

Lahm
Thiago Silva
Javi Martinez (excellent as a CB)
Alaba

Busquets
Gotze
Iniesta

Ronaldo
Messi
Suarez

No CB is really at the level of Thiago Silva

EuropeanSon

CSF wrote: »

I would have thought a higher domestic (Suarez doesn't play in Europe) goal and assist ratio would be a pretty decent argument. But don't let that stop you from going down the 'I'm right and your stupid for thinking otherwise' route.

Ibrahimovic has 37 in 36 in all competitions. Suarez has 23 in 26.

Ibrahimovic's goal rate in the Champions League (13 in 15!) is essentially the same as Suarez overall rate.

And Ibrahimovic has years of excellence, in multiple major leagues, to back him up, which Suarez doesn't have. There really is no argument.

So yes. I am right, and it would be stupid if someone thought otherwise.

CSF

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Ibrahimovic has 37 in 36 in all competitions. Suarez has 23 in 26.

Ibrahimovic's goal rate in the Champions League (13 in 15!) is essentially the same as Suarez overall rate.

And Ibrahimovic has years of excellence, in multiple major leagues, to back him up, which Suarez doesn't have. There really is no argument.

Ibrahimovic is 32. You really have to judge him on his most recent year because as good as he is, he has past his peak.

When you compare the 2 players assist/goal ratios against the teams they've played this season. Suarez definitely wins IMO, and that's not even getting into how much more Suarez offers the team in terms of workrate.

titan18

CSF wrote: »

Neuer

Lahm
Alaba
Silva
Kompany

Busquets

Toure
Vidal

Suarez
Ronaldo

Messi

Pretty much that, only I'd take (and probably the only one)

Sirigu over Neuer

Lawrence1895

So many nominations for Neuer?

Right, he is a good goalkeeper, but always keep in mind, how dominant Bayern is in the league. The 10 players in playing in front of him seem to prevent other teams scoring against him...but he does have his blunders, when he plays for the national team alright, I only say 4:4 against Sweden

CSF

Lars1916 wrote: »

So many nominations for Neuer?

Right, he is a good goalkeeper, but always keep in mind, how dominant Bayern is in the league. The 10 players in playing in front of him seem to prevent other teams scoring against him...but he does have his blunders, when he plays for the national team alright, I only say 4:4 against Sweden

Ah no he is a monster. The likes of which has not been seen for some time.

Finical

Neuer

Lahm Kompany Silva Alaba

Scwheinsteiger

Hazard Iniesta Ronaldo

Messi

Ibrahimovic

titan18

CSF wrote: »

Ah no he is a monster. The likes of which has not been seen for some time.

I dunno, he's good, but I wouldn't say he's anything like prime Buffon, Van der Sar, Schmeichel etc. I think Sirigu is better than him atm, and I wouldn't rank him much ahead of De Gea, Courtois or Handanovic.

Sir Gallagher

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Ibrahimovic has 37 in 36 in all competitions. Suarez has 23 in 26.

Ibrahimovic's goal rate in the Champions League (13 in 15!) is essentially the same as Suarez overall rate.

And Ibrahimovic has years of excellence, in multiple major leagues, to back him up, which Suarez doesn't have. There really is no argument.

So yes. I am right, and it would be stupid if someone thought otherwise.

You've let yourself down there friend.

CSF

titan18 wrote: »

I dunno, he's good, but I wouldn't say he's anything like prime Buffon, Van der Sar, Schmeichel etc. I think Sirigu is better than him atm, and I wouldn't rank him much ahead of De Gea, Courtois or Handanovic.

Clearly we differ in our rating of Neuer then. I could follow in the footsteps of many in this thread and do a 'OMGZ IF YOU DONT THINK NEUER IS THE BEST YOU ARE STUPID' but nah I do personally think Neuer is a few notches above the rest at the moment and will eventually be remembered in the same sentences as the legends you mentioned.

Marty McFly

titan18 wrote: »

I dunno, he's good, but I wouldn't say he's anything like prime Buffon, Van der Sar, Schmeichel etc. I think Sirigu is better than him atm, and I wouldn't rank him much ahead of De Gea, Courtois or Handanovic.

Good list but for me you left what could arguably be classed as the best keeper of modern times Oliver Khan was an aboslute beast imo.