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Last weekend Down defeated Derry in the Ulster semi final and consequently both sides swap places. 10 of the remaining 12 McCarthy Cup teams play this weekend, and barring draws after extra time only 8 will remain on Sunday evening.
Leinster SHC - Final
GALWAY (5) -v- KILKENNY (2)
Victory for Galway by a margin greater than 3 points would see Kilkenny fall out of the top 2 for the first time since February 2002. That said, they do enter this game as favourites and their demolition of Wexford in the semi final ridiculed the notion that they might struggle with all the recent retirements, hell hath no fury like a Kilkenny team scorned. Similarly, Galway had a facile victory in their semi final against Laois. No team has defeated Kilkenny under Cody more than Galway with memorable victories in 2001, 2005 and 2012, and they have drawn twice in 2012 and 2014.
Result based on current ratings; Kilkenny by 4.
I'm saying nothing, over the years any time I make a prediction on a Kilkenny v Galway game I usually turn out to be miles off
All-Ireland Qualifiers - Round 1
CLARE (8) -v- OFFALY (10)
First time the two have met since the 2006 qualifiers where Clare won by 2-15 to 1-9 on a day when both managers played for their respective counties. Clare have a young All-Ireland winning squad and management team, their injury situation has improved, Galvin is back, and they have had 6 weeks to get their ship back in order since the Limerick game. Surely this 12+ month slump has to end sometime? I believe their resurgence will start this weekend, quite how far they will go remains to be seen but Offaly won't be the ones that take them down this year.
Result based on current ratings; Clare by 10.
I support this, might even be a bigger margin. Offaly lack the all round quality to defeat Clare even if their slump continues.
LAOIS (10) -v- DUBLIN (6)
Very difficult to judge either teams form as they have fluctuated wildly this year, but I'd imagine a decent Laois contingent will make the journey to O'Moore Park in the hope of claiming a second championship win on home soil in four weeks. Dublin are shaping up to be a long term project for Ger Cunningham, they won't be A-I contenders this year but they have enough experience and quality players to emerge from Portlaoise with the victory.
Result based on current ratings; Dublin by 8.
If I had to pick one outside bet this weekend, I'd actually pick Laois, they'll give Dublin a bit of a scare, I still don't think they'll have enough to shade it though.
WESTMEATH (13) -v- LIMERICK (7)
A first ever championship meeting of these two sides. Westmeath have had a good year by their standards and they knew all along they would most likely draw a Munster side, the key for them was to get the home draw, so in that respect they got exactly what they wanted; a glamour home tie, and dreams of a major upset. Tipperary laid Limerick's weaknesses bare so Westmeath will know how to hurt them. Tactically they might make Limerick suffer but Limerick have the better overall individual quality to see this one through. Having watched them a few times in the last few years I feel Westmeath are reasonably strong in the air. Limerick will win this one, but it won't be the cricket score that many expect.
Result based on current ratings; Limerick by 12.
Will be closer to 8 I reckon, a lot will depend on whether Limerick start to score goals, if they continue with their relatively poor rate of raising green flags it could be a long 70 minutes for them.
WEXFORD (9) -v- CORK (4)
This could be a cracker, you just know Wexford will smell blood here, a big crowd came out for the Clare game last year and Cork's performance against Waterford won't have struck fear into them. Cork have a good record against Wexford however, for both teams this represents a decent challenge and the winner will have had the best preparation for round 2. If Wexford are to ever break into the top 8 of the rankings they need to win home games like this, Cork's greater experience could well tell in the end, but (what I personally perceive to be) Wexford's greater goal threat make this one extremely difficult to call.
Result based on current ratings; Cork by 3.
A Wexford win though at longer odds, wouldn't be a major upset. Really looking forward to this one.0 -
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zombieHanalei wrote: »Last weekend Down defeated Derry in the Ulster semi final and consequently both sides swap places. 10 of the remaining 12 McCarthy Cup teams play this weekend, and barring draws after extra time only 8 will remain on Sunday evening.
Leinster SHC - Final
GALWAY (5) -v- KILKENNY (2)
Victory for Galway by a margin greater than 3 points would see Kilkenny fall out of the top 2 for the first time since February 2002. That said, they do enter this game as favourites and their demolition of Wexford in the semi final ridiculed the notion that they might struggle with all the recent retirements, hell hath no fury like a Kilkenny team scorned. Similarly, Galway had a facile victory in their semi final against Laois. No team has defeated Kilkenny under Cody more than Galway with memorable victories in 2001, 2005 and 2012, and they have drawn twice in 2012 and 2014.
Result based on current ratings; Kilkenny by 4.
I'm saying nothing, over the years any time I make a prediction on a Kilkenny v Galway game I usually turn out to be miles off
All-Ireland Qualifiers - Round 1
CLARE (8) -v- OFFALY (10)
First time the two have met since the 2006 qualifiers where Clare won by 2-15 to 1-9 on a day when both managers played for their respective counties. Clare have a young All-Ireland winning squad and management team, their injury situation has improved, Galvin is back, and they have had 6 weeks to get their ship back in order since the Limerick game. Surely this 12+ month slump has to end sometime? I believe their resurgence will start this weekend, quite how far they will go remains to be seen but Offaly won't be the ones that take them down this year.
Result based on current ratings; Clare by 10.
I support this, might even be a bigger margin. Offaly lack the all round quality to defeat Clare even if their slump continues.
LAOIS (10) -v- DUBLIN (6)
Very difficult to judge either teams form as they have fluctuated wildly this year, but I'd imagine a decent Laois contingent will make the journey to O'Moore Park in the hope of claiming a second championship win on home soil in four weeks. Dublin are shaping up to be a long term project for Ger Cunningham, they won't be A-I contenders this year but they have enough experience and quality players to emerge from Portlaoise with the victory.
Result based on current ratings; Dublin by 8.
If I had to pick one outside bet this weekend, I'd actually pick Laois, they'll give Dublin a bit of a scare, I still don't think they'll have enough to shade it though.
WESTMEATH (13) -v- LIMERICK (7)
A first ever championship meeting of these two sides. Westmeath have had a good year by their standards and they knew all along they would most likely draw a Munster side, the key for them was to get the home draw, so in that respect they got exactly what they wanted; a glamour home tie, and dreams of a major upset. Tipperary laid Limerick's weaknesses bare so Westmeath will know how to hurt them. Tactically they might make Limerick suffer but Limerick have the better overall individual quality to see this one through. Having watched them a few times in the last few years I feel Westmeath are reasonably strong in the air. Limerick will win this one, but it won't be the cricket score that many expect.
Result based on current ratings; Limerick by 12.
Will be closer to 8 I reckon, a lot will depend on whether Limerick start to score goals, if they continue with their relatively poor rate of raising green flags it could be a long 70 minutes for them.
WEXFORD (9) -v- CORK (4)
This could be a cracker, you just know Wexford will smell blood here, a big crowd came out for the Clare game last year and Cork's performance against Waterford won't have struck fear into them. Cork have a good record against Wexford however, for both teams this represents a decent challenge and the winner will have had the best preparation for round 2. If Wexford are to ever break into the top 8 of the rankings they need to win home games like this, Cork's greater experience could well tell in the end, but (what I personally perceive to be) Wexford's greater goal threat make this one extremely difficult to call.
Result based on current ratings; Cork by 3.
A Wexford win though at longer odds, wouldn't be a major upset. Really looking forward to this one.
i am going to have to start taking your advice a llittle more seriously . . . . that would have made a fairly serious accumulator
good call on all of those spot on the limerick margin , also would have expected the wexford/cork game to be much closer too0 -
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zombieHanalei wrote: »Depends! For starters, they won't move above Tipperary unless they defeat them by more than 6 points next weekend. Regardless of margins, if they defeat Tipp only to lose to Kilkenny they will fall back behind Tipperary again, but would in all likelihood stay above Waterford.
If they defeat Tipp by 1 to 3, they need to defeat Kilkenny by more than 3 points to claim 1st.
If they defeat Tipp by 4 to 6, again they need to defeat Kilkenny by more than 3 points to claim 1st.
If they defeat Tipp by 7 or more, a victory regardless of winning margin over Kilkenny will mean Galway finish 1st.
The most nerdy in-depth post ever I have read on boards. Well done. 0 -
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Galway swap places with Waterford and move up to third place after today's thriller.
Position|previous|change|Team|Points
1st |(1)|=|KILKENNY|9002
2nd |(2)|=|TIPPERARY|8845
3rd |(4)|+1|GALWAY|8683
4th |(3)|-1|WATERFORD|8592
5th |(5)|=|CORK|8337
6th |(6)|=|DUBLIN|8306
7th |(7)|=|LIMERICK|8035
8th |(8)|=|CLARE|8034
9th |(9)|=|WEXFORD|7719
10th |(10)|=|OFFALY|7377
How will they finish??
- Galway will need to win by 4 or more points to claim 1st (I previously wrongly stated they needed to win by 7 or more)
- Tipperary will definitely finish 2nd regardless of what happens.
- A Galway victory of between 1 and 3 points leaves them still in 3rd, but the points gap from 1st to 3rd would be just 55 points, nothing between them really.
- Waterford can actually still finish 3rd if Galway are defeated by more than 6 points.
- If Kilkenny win by between 4 and 6 points, Waterford and Galway will actually tie for 3rd, both on 8592 points. (I can't recall two teams ever being dead level on the 25 years I have ran this)
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Since 1991, the All-Ireland champion has ended the season as the number 1 team in all bar two seasons.
The last time was in 2013, when Clare couldn't quite bridge the gap to Kilkenny, Kilkenny had won the previous two All-Ireland championships and league titles. Clare on the other hand had a terrible 2010 and 2011, won 1B of the league in 2012 before a mediocre championship, in 2013 they only avoided relegation after a play off. Needless to say, Kilkenny started the 2013 championship with a lot more cash in the bank in terms of ratings points and held on to top spot. Incidentally, Clare would gain top spot for a week following defeat of Kilkenny in the 2014 National hurling league but since then they have gradually fallen to 8th.
1998 was the other year. Like Clare in 2013, Offaly's efforts only brought them to 2nd place. But who finished top?
Was it Cork following their NHL success that spring and subsequent win away to Limerick in the Munster championship? No.
Was it Waterford following their run to the NHL and Munster final and quarter final win over Galway? No.
Was it Clare who had won the 1995 and 1997 All-Ireland titles combined with the 1997 and 1998 Munster champiopnships? No.
Maybe Kilkenny who were in the process of emerging from their mid 90's slumber to take the Leinster championship with a huge win over Offaly? No.
It was none other than; Limerick.
How on earth did that happen?? Their year ended in May when Cork came to the Gaelic Grounds and won on a scoreline of 1-20 to 3-11 and were nothing but a distant memory by the time the All-Ireland final was played that September.
Here's how it happened;- The 1997 NHL campaign actually ran in tandem with the 1997 championship, so despite exiting the 1997 championship with a whimper away to Tipp, Limerick came back and won the league.
- Limerick gained so many points that the only reason Clare finished in 1st was due to the championship games being weighted in the calculations.
- The 1998 league was played in spring, and Limerick launched a strong defence of that title winning all 5 of their group games, only to suffer defeat at the hands of Waterford.
- You can see that by the end of April, Limerick as the standout team had built up a large lead of over 400 points.
- Limerick were brought crashing back down to earth in May, shipping a big defeat to Waterford in the NHL semi final and ending the month with defeat in the Munster championship to Cork leaving them with 458 points less than they started the month with, bringing them right back down into the middle of Clare, Wexford, Cork and Galway.
- However, look how far back Offaly are, in terms of the rankings system the norm for Offaly in the 90's was terrible league campaigns followed by strong championship performances.
- An unusual and wide open championship then followed. And it appeared that 1st place came as a curse in 1998.
- Cork took top spot after following up their league success by defeating Limerick at the Gaelic Grounds. However they then lost their next game with a heavy defeat to Clare, bringing them back just below Limerick.
- Clare took top spot from Cork, and held it for a little longer but a tumultuous summer lay ahead for Clare, they were taken to a replay by Waterford, and beaten by Offaly at the third attempt, as Offaly were ranked lower this took a serious chunk out of their points, not only putting them behind Limerick, but back behind the Cork team they had comprehensively defeated earlier.
- This moved Kilkenny into top spot. Offaly had gained ground in Leinster following their victory over Wexford but were defeated in the final by Kilkenny, this gave Kilkenny enough points to move above Limerick and fill the top spot vacated by Clare.
- And finally, despite being heavy favourites, Kilkenny were defeated by Offaly in the final, which moved them back behind Limerick, and moved Offaly tantalisingly close to Limerick, just 16 points shy, a bonus point victory would have seen them move ahead.
- Ultimately, a poor league campaign combined with defeat in the Leinster final conspired to deprive Offaly of top spot.
So there you have it, a wide open championship littered with lower ranked teams defeating higher ranked teams meant that a handful of 5 or 6 teams who were better than Limerick cancelled each other out to the extent that not one of them was able to topple Limerick's points total which was built on the back of a run of 9 successive victories in league hurling after their 1997 championship exit.0 -
I've been doing work on this bit by bit throughout the year, I have a new start point of 1965 as that best suits the data I have available. Here's a snap of the mid to late 1970's, and I did a write up focusing on one team from this era you may or may not find interesting!
Clare had some team towards the end of the 1970's, they just couldn't put it together for the championship.0 -
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