Can football make a differnce? Ukraine to ask FIFA for Russia World Cup expulsion

Your Airbag

So politics and football meet again.

Ukraine are going to ask FIFA to expel Russia from the World Cup if Putin doesn't back down.

https://twitter.com/_ChrisMorris/status/440531337825374208

Fans have reacted in support and have said it would hurt Russia much more if the 2018 World cup was taken from them.

Will FIFA care?

FIFA has never taken a World Cup once granted, and has a history of keeping out of political issues.

Surrounding the 1978 World Cup was the fact that Argentina had suffered a military coup, only two years before the cup. Because of this, some countries, most notably the Netherlands, considered publicly whether they should participate in the cup. Despite this, all teams eventually participated without restrictions. Allegations that Dutch star Johan Cryuijff refused to participate because of political convictions were refuted by him 30 years later.

The Argentinian military Junta that took power through a military coup was throwing chained dissidents into the ocean from helicopters and FIFA refused to take away the cup despite massive pressure to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FIFA_World_Cup

The 1973 play-off for a place in the 1974 FIFA World Cup in West Germany, between the national football teams of the Soviet Union and Chile, is notable for the political circumstances around the second leg of the play-off on 21 November 1973.
It was scheduled to take place in the Estadio Nacional de Chile in Santiago, the Chilean capital. There had been a coup d'etat in Chile two months before in which Salvador Allende was overthrown by Augusto Pinochet. Many people deemed undesirable by the Pinochet's new regime were taken to the Estadio Nacional in Chile, tortured and killed; this continued until 7 November. The football match between the Soviet Union and Chile was on 21 November.
The Soviet Union asked FIFA to find a different venue in Chile; when agreement could not be reached, the Soviet team did not take the field and was disqualified from the tournament, giving the Chilean team a victory by walk-over and a place in the 1974 World Cup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_vs_Chile_1974_FIFA_World_Cup_play-off

Should we care about this as people? Yes, probably.

Should as football fans we care about the threat of footballing action to have an impact or do you hate when Football and Politics mix?

Do you hate it when people who go on about "boycotting"?

Should FIFA stay well out or should we, the footballing fans, pressure them to do something if they think it will make a difference?

Wacker The Attacker

We dont know what will happen in the ukraine this time next week.

On this basis, how can the russian world cup be in doubt at this point?

Your Airbag

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

We dont know what will happen in the ukraine this time next week.

On this basis, how can the russian world cup be in doubt at this point?

The Russian World Cup is not in danger at all, yet. The Ukraine are going to push for Russian expulsion from the Qatar World cup.

Fans have reacted and said taking the 2018 World Cup from Russia is a greater punishment/threat.

Liam O

Ireland in as the 32nd team?

keeponhurling

Political issues and wars aren't exactly black and white issues.
Who's to say who is wrong and right, one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter etc.

FIFA are best staying well clear of politics and avoid having to make any judgment on such issues

Lawrence1895

Yugoslavia were thrown out of the EURO 1992, just to mention...

losthorizon

keeponhurling wrote: »

Political issues and wars aren't exactly black and white issues.
Who's to say who is wrong and right, one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter etc.

FIFA are best staying well clear of politics and avoid having to make any judgment on such issues

I agree Saudi and UAE Troops "helped" put down a democratic uprising in Bahrain. Do we Ban these two nations from the world cup. in fact the USA has a base there and did nothing. The minority rules by dictatorship and was only kept in power by an invasion.

losthorizon

Lars1916 wrote: »

Yugoslavia were thrown out of the EURO 1992, just to mention...

True...

but although the name Yugoslavia lasted for years later the team and many of the nations in that federation had actually split up. For instance Croatia and Slovenia were gone.

And it was a decision taken by people outside of UEFA.

Omackeral

Lars1916 wrote: »

Yugoslavia were thrown out of the EURO 1992, just to mention...

And their replacements Denmark won the whole tournament!

Coillte_Bhoy

losthorizon wrote: »

True...

but although the name Yugoslavia lasted for years later the team and many of the nations in that federation had actually split up. For instance Croatia and Slovenia were gone.

And it was a decision taken by people outside of UEFA.

gosplan

FIFA would have happily held a World Cup in apartheid South Africa provided they were paid enough money.

Lawrence1895

Omackeral wrote: »

And their replacements Denmark won the whole tournament!

I know, they did beat Germany :rolleyes:

Anyway, wasn't it the UN, who threw Yugoslavia out?

ush

gosplan wrote: »

FIFA would have happily held a World Cup in apartheid South Africa provided they were paid enough money.

FIFA suspended ZA in 1963. ZA was subject to a sporting boycott.

ArmaniJeanss

losthorizon wrote: »

And it was a decision taken by people outside of UEFA.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Trade or financial transactions etc with Yugoslavia was made illegal under a UN resolution in March or April 1992, so UEFA would have been in breach of some serious mega sh1t rules if they'd allowed Yugoslavia to compete.

So in that sense the decision wasn't made by UEFA, once the UN passed the sanctions resolution it was a given that Yugoslavia couldn't take part in Uefa92.

PhlegmyMoses

The Ukraine\Russia\Crimea issue is far moe complex than hurr durr, Russia ar de bad goys, Ukraine ar de gud 1s.

Hopefully FIFA steer well clear.

losthorizon

ush wrote: »

FIFA suspended ZA in 1963. ZA was subject to a sporting boycott.

The Irish Rugby team were happy to travel to South Africa at the Height of the Apartheid regime for money reasons. One or two members didnt go for political and moral reasons. Ciaran Fitzgerald didnt go and he mightnt have gone anyway because he was a member of the army.

keith16

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

The Ukraine\Russia\Crimea issue is far moe complex than hurr durr, Russia ar de bad goys, Ukraine ar de gud 1s.

Hopefully FIFA steer well clear.

Of course they will. And even if FIFA did intervene, do you think for a second that Russia will say, "oh hang on, you're right, immediate withdrawal from Crimea forthcoming. Plz let us play in WC".

Moneymaker

I'd rather Russia be expelled due to constant incidents of racism and hooliganism.

Crann na Beatha

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smackbunnybaby

Liam O wrote: »

Ireland in as the 32nd team?

Lars1916 wrote: »

Yugoslavia were thrown out of the EURO 1992, just to mention...

Omackeral wrote: »

And their replacements Denmark won the whole tournament!

Written in the stars...

losthorizon

Phoenix wrote: »

So you would happy to see Poland,France,Spain etc thrown out for the same?

Spain compared to England? Its a much more family orientated area in Spain that in England. There was even a programme recently . Panorama was it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBps0GUITM

There was another one since about the English domestic game.

mikeym

Im sure Russia will be on good behavior when 2018 comes round.

The Irish Rugby team were happy to travel to South Africa at the Height of the Apartheid regime for money reasons. One or two members didnt go for political and moral reasons.

They were probably Ulster Unionist rugby players who sided with the South African government at the time.

eagle eye

mikeym wrote: »

Im sure Russia will be on good behavior when 2018 comes round.




They were probably Ulster Unionist rugby players who sided with the South African government at the time.