Will you eat meat tomorrow

I Heart Internet

Conroy_Band wrote: »

Yeah but my point is that by actual definition they are being a hypocrite.

Just one more thing the church gets labelled as hypocritical for so :cool:

Why is it then that, at a wedding, we talk about "the meat or fish" option. There is a difference.

maguic24

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It's not. It's the people making a point of telling the whole world that 'Gosh, I'm eating meat on ASH WEDNESDAY' who seem to think they're being rebellious.

Okay, fair enough. I hear ya.

MonstaMash

Rebellious - showing a desire to resist authority, control, or convention.

It's not really rebellious to eat meat on Ash Wednesday in all fairness...

Martin Luther posting his 95 theses on the door of the Castle Church of Wittenberg, now that was rebellious.

rainbow kirby

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It's not. It's the people making a point of telling the whole world that 'Gosh, I'm eating meat on ASH WEDNESDAY' who seem to think they're being rebellious.

Do you seriously expect that when the general question is asked, particularly on AH, that only people who are following the Catholic practice will answer?

I Heart Internet

Cydoniac wrote: »

Actually, many people who never go to Mass get the mark on their forehead, wear it like a medal, and pretend to themselves that they're practicing Catholics and take a moral high ground against those who don't when really, they're hypocrites. That's my beef (no pun intended)

I don't think this is very common...

Also, you're judging these people that you believe to be judging others - who they may or may not be. Quit with all the judging! Just take people at face-value.

Ghost Buster

zenno wrote: »

After having a meat breakfast this morning, and, will have a meat dinner later, I will still have respect for others beliefs. If they want to have a non-meat day regarding religious purposes, then I respect that. They are entitled to do what they so wish.

Beliefs vary, but respect of one's beliefs is paramount. imo

Some people believe black people are inferior. Some believe women shouldnt have the vote.

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MonstaMash wrote: »

Rebellious - showing a desire to resist authority, control, or convention.

It's not really rebellious to eat meat on Ash Wednesday in all fairness...

Martin Luther posting his 95 theses on the door of the Castle Church of Wittenberg, now that was rebellious.

It's not the least bit rebellious. It might have been fifty years ago but now there are probably more people in Ireland eating meat today than not eating it.
But some people still seem to think they're about twelve years of age and that there's something cool about eating meat on Ash Wednesday. I mean, why else would you come on a forum to tell everyone you're having steak tonight and really looking forward to it?

J_E

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I don't think this is very common...

Also, you're judging these people that you believe to be judging others - who they may or may not be. Quit with all the judging! Just take people at face-value.

You're right, I'm actually being unfair to said people. My problem is more with the church, so thanks for calling me on that one.

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It's not the least bit rebellious. It might have been fifty years ago but now there are probably more people in Ireland eating meat today than not eating it.
But some people still seem to think they're about twelve years of age and that there's something cool about eating meat on Ash Wednesday. I mean, why else would you come on a forum to tell everyone you're having steak tonight and really looking forward to it?

"Will you eat meat tomorrow"

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rainbow kirby wrote: »

Do you seriously expect that when the general question is asked, particularly on AH, that only people who are following the Catholic practice will answer?

Where did I say that?

Conroy_Band

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

Not really. It's not because they think eating meat is wrong. It's because they're calling on Catholics to make a sacrifice on Ash Wednesday. As another poster said, meat used to be considered more luxurious than fish which was plentiful and cheap, so maybe that's what's behind it.

I mean, it's not hypocritical for someone to give up chocolate for lent but still eat cake. They're just making a sacrifice for a while.

I am not taking about the ethical reasoning for eating meat or not, my issue is with people making a point of saying they aren't eating meat when in fact they are.

Not to be a food snob but cake and chocolate do not fall under the same food group one is cake the other a sweet.

Penny Dreadful

Specialun wrote: »

Well will you

Think i will..not going to have bunch of paedo priests telling me when and what to eat

And what if your priest happens not to be a paedophile, will you choose not to eat meat then.

Every single priest is not a paedophile.

Ghost Buster

SmurfX wrote: »

Some dreadful insecurity in beliefs in this topic.

Presumably those here with such a burning distaste for christian beliefs will be foregoing the St.Patrick's day celebrations as well?

Not me. I also avoid Thursdays as i dont believe in Thor

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Conroy_Band wrote: »

I am not taking about the ethical reasoning for eating meat or not, my issue is with people making a point of saying they aren't eating meat when in fact they are.

Not to be a food snob but cake and chocolate do not fall under the same food group one is cake the other a sweet.

They aren't eating meat as defined by the Catholic Church on a particular day that's designated a fast day by that Church. If someone said they don't agree with people eating meat and then ate fish themselves I can see your point. But that's not what Catholics mean by abstaining from meat. They're following a rule of the religion they've chosen to adhere to. They're not stopping anyone else from eating meat or fish or anything else.

Conroy_Band

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Just one more thing the church gets labelled as hypocritical for so :cool:

Why is it then that, at a wedding, we talk about "the meat or fish" option. There is a difference.

Do you want me to define what meat is again or did you gloss over that fact.

efb

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

They aren't eating meat as defined by the Catholic Church on a particular day that's designated a fast day by that Church. If someone said they don't agree with people eating meat and then ate fish themselves I can see your point. But that's not what Catholics mean by abstaining from meat. They're following a rule of the religion they've chosen to adhere to. They're not stopping anyone else from eating meat or fish or anything else.

Makes a change

Ghost Buster

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

I was going to but have just dipped into the A&A forum and have decided not to,for the sole reason of being different to these loons.
Also am now waiting with baited breath for the next census form so I can put "catholic" down just to annoy them.

My Jaysus but they spend some amount of time talking crap about something they supposedly don't believe in.

That would apply to atheists as well.

rainbow kirby

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

Where did I say that?

The thread question has a simple yes/no answer. The implication from almost all of your comments on this thread is that anyone who answers in the affirmative is only doing it to be "rebellious" or "edgy", which is far from the case.

Ghost Buster

SmurfX wrote: »

It's a shame so many atheists & agnostics are driven to it by a hatred of the church and establishment rather than an appreciation of their own beliefs. I'm one myself but find most of them on the internet to be a truly insufferable bunch, entire communities united only by hate, cynicism, negativity and a dislike for popular society.

Athiests have beliefs now?
I thought it was a lack of belief. i want my subscription fee back.:mad:

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rainbow kirby wrote: »

The thread question has a simple yes/no answer. The implication from almost all of your comments on this thread is that anyone who answers in the affirmative is only doing it to be "rebellious" or "edgy", which is far from the case.

No problem with people saying Yes, I'm eating meat. I don't really adhere to that rule/don't practise my religion anymore or whatever.

It's the people making silly 'oh yes, I'm going to be chomping into a big juicy plate of meat tomorrow and no priest is going to stop me'.. type posts that are childish and laced with a 'look how bold and disobedient I am' undertone. I presume people are allowed comment on that if they find it silly or sneery towards people with a religious belief?

I Heart Internet

Conroy_Band wrote: »

Do you want me to define what meat is again or did you gloss over that fact.

You and I both know that the flesh of a fish is similar to the flesh of a land based animal. That really doesn't matter, the long-standing tradition is that, for the purposes of fasting/abstaining in the Roman Catholic Church, fish is not strictly considered a meat. Them's the rules. I also heard, it may be an urban legend though, that platypus was also ok.

Akrasia

candy-gal1 wrote: »

I didnt even know you werent supposed to eat meat on Ash (pokemon catcher :P) wedendays, as a pagan it doesnt really affect me anyway but still I like to make the most of it - big steak etc - same as Good Friday traditions Ive had the past 7years - having at least one drink

yep. Ash (evil robot from Alien) Wednesday is supposed to be a fast day

Akrasia

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

'This St Patrick guy' was an actual person born around the 5th century and who left a body of written work behind him. He is not a fictional figure.

He wrote two letters in latin. Most of the stories about St Patrick were probably made up and the folklore about St patrick is no less fictional than the folklore surrounding St Nicholas and St Bridget and all the other old saints who were basically medieval superheroes

Akrasia

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

I think the Catholic Church stated that by meat they meant animals that live on the land but not that live in the Sea. Not sure of the theological reason behind that, but that's what a practising Catholic is obliged to adhere to on Ash Wednesday.

Someone get these christians a manatee burger!

I Heart Internet

Akrasia wrote: »

He wrote two letters in latin. Most of the stories about St Patrick were probably made up and the folklore about St patrick is no less fictional than the folklore surrounding St Nicholas and St Bridget and all the other old saints who were basically medieval superheroes

But Patrick did definetly exist. You said he didn't earlier.

Centuries and human politics have a way of adding legs to stories. There is plenty of myth around Patrick, but he did exist, did write his autobiography and did preach Christianity around Ireland. He existed so much, in fact, that his disputes with British bishops are well recorded and the subject of historical inquiry.

papu

Yes , lots

Akrasia

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

I'm sure there are some that do who would dispute it with you.
What's that got to do with the fact that a man called Patrick existed, who came to Ireland as a slave, came back as a priest and converted many people to Catholicism and was, therefore, a real person who was later chosen as the patron Saint of Ireland?

You 'believe' he was a slave. He may actually have been a slave trader
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/slave-trader-or-saint-doubt-over-patricks-origins-26833102.html

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Akrasia wrote: »

He wrote two letters in latin. Most of the stories about St Patrick were probably made up and the folklore about St patrick is no less fictional than the folklore surrounding St Nicholas and St Bridget and all the other old saints who were basically medieval superheroes

There may have been some stories created around St Patrick, but you (or some poster) stated that he didn't actually exist and was a complete fiction. That is not true. He did exist, he wrote at least two pieces of work which can definitely be ascribed to him (plus others that haven't yet been proved to have been his writings) and he was a key figure in bringing Christianity to Ireland.

jimgoose

Akrasia wrote: »

yep. Ash (evil robot from Alien) Wednesday is supposed to be a fast day

So I heard. There I was this morning with my full leathers on and the Thunderace warming up in the driveway when Mrs. Goose arrives out, "What the furk are you doing??" "It's a 'fast' day!", says I, "I'm off to Kinsale. Wahoo!!". "Not that kind of fast, you buck-ape. Now go to work!". Awww!!!

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Akrasia wrote: »

You 'believe' he was a slave. He may actually have been a slave trader
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/slave-trader-or-saint-doubt-over-patricks-origins-26833102.html

He still existed whether he came here as a slave or to escape being forced into being a tax collector (as bad as being a slave trader in the early centuries).

I Heart Internet

jimgoose wrote: »

So I heard. There I was this morning with my full leathers on and the Thunderace warming up in the driveway when Mrs. Goose arrives out, "What the furk are you doing??" "It's a 'fast' day!", says I, "I'm off to Kinsale. Wahoo!!". "Not that kind of fast, you buck-ape. Now go to work!". Awww!!!

I no get it

DyldeBrill

Was eating a big chicken fillet roll, until I saw this. Completely forgot. Not that I'm religous, its just the fact that its always been routine to eat fish and what not. ah well *Continues to inhale roll*

jimgoose

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I no get it

This is a Thunderace:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Yzf1000r_red.jpg

Akrasia

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

No problem with people saying Yes, I'm eating meat. I don't really adhere to that rule/don't practise my religion anymore or whatever.

It's the people making silly 'oh yes, I'm going to be chomping into a big juicy plate of meat tomorrow and no priest is going to stop me'.. type posts that are childish and laced with a 'look how bold and disobedient I am' undertone. I presume people are allowed comment on that if they find it silly or sneery towards people with a religious belief?

It's not silly, it's a celebration that Ireland has finally crawled (mostly) out from underneath the thumb of the RC church.

Greenmachine

Is it today we are not supposed to eat meat. As it it happens, I will eat fish today, not paid till Thursday. Fish and potatoes are about all I have left till I go shopping.

eyescreamcone

jimgoose wrote: »

This is a Thunderace:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Yzf1000r_red.jpg

...And it doesn't get more ungodly than that!!!

Fly jimgoose!!!

See you in the Bullman

jimgoose

eyescreamcone wrote: »

...And it doesn't get more ungodly than that!!!

Fly jimgoose!!!

See you in the Bullman

The chowder there is mighty fine. Keep 'er lit, hi! :cool:

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Akrasia wrote: »

It's not silly, it's a celebration that Ireland has finally crawled (mostly) out from underneath the thumb of the RC church.

It's a silly way of saying you don't practise your religion. "Woo hoo, look at me with my t-bone steak on Ash Wednesday". Why not just say 'no I don't follow a Catholic faith anymore and won't be abstaining on Ash Wednesday'. You know, like a grown up would.

I Heart Internet

Akrasia wrote: »

It's not silly, it's a celebration that Ireland has finally crawled (mostly) out from underneath the thumb of the RC church.

No it's not. If the RCC had no relevance in people's lives they'd just get on with things. Patting oneself on the back for "sticking it to them" is the mark of someone who has not quite matured. Bit like a child blatently repeating something they've been told not to do, just to show their parent that "they can't control" them.

Akrasia

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

He still existed whether he came here as a slave or to escape being forced into being a tax collector (as bad as being a slave trader in the early centuries).

Ok, A man named St patrick probably existed. But so what if none of the rest of the story is true?

A man named Fionn mac Cumhaill might have existed but he wasn't a giant and so the story of Fionn mac Cumhaill is fictional.

I Heart Internet

Akrasia wrote: »

Ok, A man named St patrick probably existed. But so what if none of the rest of the story is true?

No. A man named Patrick (Patricius) DEFINETLY DID EXIST. That is a fact. He wrote down his life, which may or may not have included convenient embellishments to make him seem like a great guy altogether. His autobiography (his "Confession") should be seen in the light of the fact that he was essentially defending himself against British bishops who he didn't get on with.

...but he defiently existed. No probably about it.

Akrasia wrote: »

A man named Fionn mac Cumhaill might have existed but he wasn't a giant and so the story of Fionn mac Cumhaill is fictional.

Might might be stretching it. There is a fundamental difference between a real man who existed within recorded history - wrote and was written about - and a character (Fionn) who was written about in the distant past tense by those who first wrote of him.

Fundamentally different!

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Akrasia wrote: »

Ok, A man named St patrick probably existed. But so what if none of the rest of the story is true?

A man named Fionn mac Cumhaill might have existed but he wasn't a giant and so the story of Fionn mac Cumhaill is fictional.

The essence of the story is that he was instrumental in bringing christianity to Ireland and that is true. I don't think most Catholics care whether or not he banished snakes etc.

Akrasia

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It's a silly way of saying you don't practise your religion. "Woo hoo, look at me with my t-bone steak on Ash Wednesday". Why not just say 'no I don't follow a Catholic faith anymore and won't be abstaining on Ash Wednesday'. You know, like a grown up would.

Because a few generations ago you would not have had the option to not display the ash or observe the fast

I can imagine a time when Muslim women will be able to make the same kinds of jokes about not wearing a Burkha.

The fact that we can joke about these things now is a celebration that the RC church is mostly dead and buried in ireland. People have short memories about just how repressive Ireland was only a few short decades ago.

Contraceptives were still illegal until 1978 when they became available only on prescription. It wasn't until 1992 that sales of condoms were fully liberalised.

Homosexuality was only Decriminalised in 1993

Benny_Cake

I'd have though that if someone was to eat meat today simply to poke a finger in the eye of the Catholic Church, indirectly they are allowing that church to influence their behaviour and probably just need to move on.

I don't eat meat so every day is Ash Wednesday (assumes smug expression).

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Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

It's a silly way of saying you don't practise your religion. "Woo hoo, look at me with my t-bone steak on Ash Wednesday". Why not just say 'no I don't follow a Catholic faith anymore and won't be abstaining on Ash Wednesday'. You know, like a grown up would.

What's it like in that world? Sounds sh*te, real boring. I'd rather the steak.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Akrasia wrote: »

Because a few generations ago you would not have had the option to not display the ash or observe the fast

I can imagine a time when Muslim women will be able to make the same kinds of jokes about not wearing a Burkha.

The fact that we can joke about these things now is a celebration that the RC church is mostly dead and buried in ireland. People have short memories about just how repressive Ireland was only a few short decades ago.

Contraceptives were still illegal until 1978 when they became available only on prescription. It wasn't until 1992 that sales of condoms were fully liberalised.

Homosexuality was only Decriminalised in 1993

But you're joking about something than many people in Ireland still practise. Even if you don't want to practice your religion anymore, why speak in a sneery jeery tone about it when it is still an important part of many people's lives? I mean seriously, an adult posting that he's eating meat today and no paedo priest is going to stop him? Is that the sign of someone who's moved on? It sounds more like someone who's still mentally in a school playground.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

nm wrote: »

What's it like in that world? Sounds sh*te, real boring. I'd rather the steak.

Jaysus. I rest my case.

Ghost Buster

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

But you're joking about something than many people in Ireland still practise. Even if you don't want to practice your religion anymore, why speak in a sneery jeery tone about it when it is still an important part of many people's lives? I mean seriously, an adult posting that he's eating meat today and no paedo priest is going to stop him? Is that the sign of someone who's moved on? It sounds more like someone who's still mentally in a school playground.

The OP is extremely childish but seriously. Look at Catholicism. Its based on a book from a primitive time with talking snakes, demons, possessed swine herds, magical pregnancy, people returning from the dead and believed by the majority for equally childish reasons that being that they have been immersed in it since childhood and havent gotten over it.
Doesnt matter if lots of people find it important. Its judged on its own merits and its just a bit daft.
Anyway. Im having a prawn and chorizo gumbo. Bugger all meat in that!

jimmytwotimes 2013

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

The essence of the story is that he was instrumental in bringing christianity to Ireland and that is true. I don't think most Catholics care whether or not he banished snakes etc.

Very little is known regarding how much or how little he did in bringing Christianity along in Ireland.

Akrasia

Melissa Mammoth Trademark wrote: »

But you're joking about something than many people in Ireland still practise. Even if you don't want to practice your religion anymore, why speak in a sneery jeery tone about it when it is still an important part of many people's lives? I mean seriously, an adult posting that he's eating meat today and no paedo priest is going to stop him? Is that the sign of someone who's moved on? It sounds more like someone who's still mentally in a school playground.

It's totally immature. But that's ok. This is after hours. We're allowed to be immature.

And poking fun at others who believe wearing a bit of ash on their forehead while not eating meat (that can't swim) is important is a human right

If you can't see the humour in how quaint and silly it all is, then that's your loss, not mine.

And I'm glad that we are allowed to see the humour in it. It's what makes us a free country.please don't charge me with blasphemy

kowloon

I'm told you can eat Capybara as they live mostly in water and it's only meat from land animals that's considered off the menu.
Personally, I think the whole thing is a conspiracy to prop up the fishing industry, How many disciples were fishermen? Coincidence? I think not.

As an aside, if more sushi gets eaten I'll consider the day a success.