school policy on nose bleeds

PcAngel

S.R. wrote: »

U r right, I am not Irish. But I live here. Reading all these comments on schools and ambulance etc I think I have to move back home or go somewhere else. U honestly scare me. It looks like this country is in complete mess.

That's your choice.
If you expect doctors/nurses in schools....... - sorry you are disappointed.

retro:electro

longhalloween wrote: »

Have you picked up a newspaper in the last 5 years?


Is it a private school or just an extremely large one?

I went to a school with 1000+ students and there was 1 caretaker, no nurse.

It's a large school yes, the nurse is shared between my school and it's secondary counterpart, both schools are located on the same grounds.

seavill

anna080 wrote: »

It's a large school yes, the nurse is shared between my school and it's secondary counterpart, both schools are located on the same grounds.

Are they private schools? Would you care to answer my response to you?

retro:electro

seavill wrote: »

Are they private schools? Would you care to answer my response to you?

I said 11 because that's usually fifth class age. By sixth class they are usually more assertive and would probably just clean it themselves unprompted, that's from my experience anyway.
I don't have the time to go back and pick holes in your argument as you seem to be expecting from me. We seem to have different standards for care and procedure in such a situation and that's grand, you disagree with me and I'm okay with that. All the best

seavill

anna080 wrote: »

I said 11 because that's usually fifth class age. By sixth class they are usually more assertive and would probably just clean it themselves unprompted, that's from my experience anyway.
I don't have the time to go back and pick holes in your argument as you seem to be expecting from me. We seem to have different standards for care and procedure in such a situation and that's grand, you disagree with me and I'm okay with that. All the best

Are they private schools you mentioned?

Dubl07

anna080 wrote: »

It's a large school yes, the nurse is shared between my school and it's secondary counterpart, both schools are located on the same grounds.

Let us be real - an eleven year-old primary student is one of the oldest pupils in the school. At that age I was taking responsibility for junior classes when teachers were absent. It's all part of preparing a youngster for the transition to secondary education, just as much as the difference between the contractive and possessive usage of the apostrophe.

seavill

Again I feel you are passing very bad judgement on my comments. I must say I take personal offence to that.

I am not looking for any argument I just simply asked what was the problem with my post after 2 replies you cannot point one out. You criticised my trying to defend or justify the teachers comments when I clearly said I would not pass any comment on them.

I think you were quick with a reaction based on your interactions with other posters and took it out on me and now can't justify them.

In relation to the point about 5th or 4th or 6th class, there is no basis for that argument at all. Only that you or others picked a number out of your head. You may feel that 5th class would be the time that its ok. I think that 4th class if fine anyting under that is a bit young.

retro:electro

seavill wrote: »

Again I feel you are passing very bad judgement on my comments. I must say I take personal offence to that.

I am not looking for any argument I just simply asked what was the problem with my post after 2 replies you cannot point one out. You criticised my trying to defend or justify the teachers comments when I clearly said I would not pass any comment on them.

I think you were quick with a reaction based on your interactions with other posters and took it out on me and now can't justify them.

In relation to the point about 5th or 4th or 6th class, there is no basis for that argument at all. Only that you or others picked a number out of your head. You may feel that 5th class would be the time that its ok. I think that 4th class if fine anyting under that is a bit young.[/quote

Actually it was you who responded to my argument first, I was just replying to you.
No need to get offended or take anything personally. The problem I have with you reply is obvious, as it's the exact opposite to my comment, you see no problem in having the child clean it up, and I do. I didn't pick a number out of my head, that's just how we do things in my place. Like I said before we obviously have different standards of care, no need to take offence because of it.

retro:electro

seavill wrote: »

Are they private schools you mentioned?

No they're not

byhookorbycrook

Anna, would you leave your class unsupervised to mop up the blood trail?

retro:electro

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Anna, would you leave your class unsupervised to mop up the blood trail?

No, like I have stated in previous posts we have caretakers in our school.

Also, there is no reason to suspect that the OP doesn't have caretakers or janitors, a lot of posters seem to be doing this just to fit their argument.

Afroshack

anna080 wrote: »

Just your attitude about the whole thing. The teacher said it was grotesque, how can you defend/justify that?
I know if anyone in my class had a nose bleed 11 or under I would not ask them to clean it themselves, I just wouldn't.

Right so you'd let your other kids possible walk/tread/slip and fall on someone else's blood? Leave it there for an afternoon until you were able to go and clean it yourself? Send a child to fetch a cleaner who might not even be on the premises? For god's sake, unless it was a genuine illness/injury, she is more than capable of cleaning up after herself.

seavill

anna080 wrote: »

No, like I have stated in previous posts we have caretakers in our school.

Also, there is no reason to suspect that the OP doesn't have caretakers or janitors, a lot of posters seem to be doing this just to fit their argument.

There is also no reason to suspect that they do have a caretaker. I have stated twice that because the OP has not clarified we can only say that there is two outcomes. 1. the caretaker does it. 2. if the there isn't one the teacher would have to leave the class or the child would have to do it.
Depending on your point of view compared to mine or the class teachers in this instance the child may or may not be old enough to do so. you fee the child is one year too young to do so. I feel (as it appears the teacher in this case does) that the child is old enough to do it provided they are in a physically fit state to do so.

I guess that part is just opinion really which ours clearly differs.

retro:electro

Afroshack wrote: »

Right so you'd let your other kids possible walk/tread/slip and fall on someone else's blood? Leave it there for an afternoon until you were able to go and clean it yourself? Send a child to fetch a cleaner who might not even be on the premises? For god's sake, unless it was a genuine illness/injury, she is more than capable of cleaning up after herself.

Nope I would call the caretaker. The amount of speculation around here is gas

seavill

anna080 wrote: »

Nope I would call the caretaker. The amount of speculation around here is gas

Do you not agree that you were speculating that the OP;s school has a caretaker, just as much as others were doing they same saying they may not?

retro:electro

seavill wrote: »

Do you not agree that you were speculating that the OP;s school has a caretaker, just as much as others were doing they same saying they may not?

Tell me where I speculated? I simply stated what I do/have done in such circumstances.

seavill

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

Is there a fulltime "janitor" in the school who the teacher could have called? .

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

You are presuming the school has a full time taker, many primary schools don't .

PcAngel wrote: »

Many schools do not have janitors/caretakers full time in schools.

seavill wrote: »

I think you are missing some of the points. The OP has not clarified if the school has a full time caretaker,

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anna080 wrote: »

Tell me where I speculated? I simply stated what I do/have done in such circumstances.

Actually I was trying to figure out where others have speculated? The only pieces I have found was people asking or stating that some/many don't have where did people speculate as you referred to?

spurious

There's a bit of 'Let them eat cake' about this thread.

Most schools do not have the luxury of a nurse.
Most teachers in Irish schools cannot leave an over-crowded class to go clean up after children who are old enough to do so for themselves.

I am genuinely heartened by the fact that at least one school in the country has an on-site nurse, albeit shared with another school. In an ideal world we would have one in all schools, but sometimes the heating bill comes first.

retro:electro

seavill wrote: »

Actually I was trying to figure out where others have speculated? The only pieces I have found was people asking or stating that some/many don't have where did people speculate as you referred to?

You still haven't told me where I speculated?

Big Bag of Chips

The OP specifically mentions that he thought the teacher should have cleaned it up, which would lead me to the logical conclusion that a caretaker was not present.

For the poster who says their school has a nurse... What sort of school is it? Is it a school for especially sick children? A "special school" with children with varying health complications? Surely in a "normal school" a nurse on site, full time, is sitting for the most part of their day/weeks twiddling their thumbs. (Or else it's a very unfortunate school where pupils get injured/sick more often than anywhere else in the country)

Our school has a nurse who comes to the school for checkups and injections etc.. like every school in the country. But she would not be "on call" for a nose bleed.

I'm not a teacher, but I'm a mother. I would not have an issue with my child being given wipes to clean up after a nose bleed. Nor would I expect a doctor, nurse or ambulance to be called.

retro:electro

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

The OP specifically mentions that he thought the teacher should have cleaned it up, which would lead me to the logical conclusion that a caretaker was not present.

For the poster who says their school has a nurse... What sort of school is it? Is it a school for especially sick children? A "special school" with children with varying health complications? Surely in a "normal school" a nurse on site, full time, is sitting for the most part of their day/weeks twiddling their thumbs.

I'm not a teacher, but I'm a mother. I would not have an issue with my child being given wipes to clean up after a nose bleed. Nor would I expect a doctor, nurse or ambulance to be called.

I find your post quite harsh, what's wrong with a school having a nurse?? Is it really that shocking to people? Jez Ireland really is gone down the pi** hole.
Like I said, the nurse is shared with the secondary school. Shocking I know!!

Big Bag of Chips

Is the nurse on site full time?

What does she do all day?

How sick are the kids?

Ireland isn't "really gone down the pi** hole" as you so eloquently put it. It's not like every school in the country used to have an on-site nurse, and now it has been taken away due to cutbacks. Fulltime nurses have never been "the norm" in Irish schools. Why? Because for the amount of times a medical professional would need to be called it would be an enormous waste of time, money and expertise.

But that is completely off topic!!

longhalloween

anna080 wrote: »

I find your post quite harsh, what's wrong with a school having a nurse?? Is it really that shocking to people? Jez Ireland really is gone down the pi** hole.
Like I said, the nurse is shared with the secondary school. Shocking I know!!

I'd say most people are shocked. There's probably less than 10 schools in the country that have a staff nurse and in fairness like you said, if you have a nurse, you may as well use em!

Same with caretakers. If there's one to hand, then it's a non issue to have them deal with cleaning up. I presume you can call the nurse or caretaker from the class or contact them easily enough.

The problem is the people who are arguing with you here come from a completely different background and aren't of the mindset of having staff on hand to deal with this problem. As I said my school had 1 caretaker, and he could be out cutting the grass when something like this happened.

retro:electro

longhalloween wrote: »

I'd say most people are shocked. There's probably less than 10 schools in the country that have a staff nurse and in fairness like you said, if you have a nurse, you may as well use em!

Same with caretakers. If there's one to hand, then it's a non issue to have them deal with cleaning up.

The problem is the people who are arguing with you here come from a completely different background and aren't of the mindset of having staff to deal with this problem.

More speculation, how do you know we are from different backgrounds?!?

seavill

Oh for God sake

longhalloween

anna080 wrote: »

More speculation, how do you know we are from different backgrounds?!?

Because your school has a nurse and mine doesn't??? Obviously.


Can everyone put up their life story so we're all on the same page? :rolleyes:

S.R.

lads and girls, move abroad, enjoy life in adequately run country. I certainly going to move. Sick of place.
Instead of creating jobs rocket scientists came up with idea of 19.5 hours/week work for additional 20 euro. It stinks!

PcAngel

S.R. wrote: »

lads and girls, move abroad, enjoy life in adequately run country. I certainly going to move. Sick of place.
Instead of creating jobs rocket scientists came up with idea of 19.5 hours/week work for additional 20 euro. It stinks!

Goodbye!

retro:electro

longhalloween wrote: »

Because your school has a nurse and mine doesn't??? Obviously.


Can everyone put up their life story so we're all on the same page? :rolleyes:

So that means we are from different backgrounds?!?

S.R.

PcAngel wrote: »

Goodbye!

Did you say "goodbye" to those Irish who have already moved?

PcAngel

S.R. wrote: »

Did you say "goodbye" to those Irish who have already moved?

I said slán to them.:P

Squatman

seamus23 wrote: »

What if it was vomit, wee or faces. Would she be expected to clean that up as well?????

Yea, if they dont get a shower in the morning, make sure she cleans her own face. LOL

longhalloween

anna080 wrote: »

So that means we are from different backgrounds?!?

In terms of our experience with the health and safety policies in schools.

S.R.

PcAngel wrote: »

I said slán to them.:P

And they replied póg mo thóin. :P

queensinead

Who would be a teacher with such over-protective parents?

If a teacher leaves her class unattended she is apparently legally liable for any bullying or accident that might happen while she is absent. If she does not leave her classroom, or find a caretaker or nurse or SNA, (which probably also means leaving the classroom,) even for something as minor as a nosebleed, well, she can also come in for criticism from some parents.
Some children get nosebleeds regularly. The frequency tends to increase in adolescence. The earlier they learn to deal with this rather embarrassing but minor inconvenience, with humour and lack of fuss, the better

S.R.

seavill, now to you.
Pressing thanks button here?
U said u are a teacher. I remember when 5-6 years ago government did plan to cut ur money, teachers were going on about strike. We go on strike, we go on strike, blah, blah, blah. And look at u today. Pressing here thanks button, when I mentioned idiots that did run country to nowhere. Happy to have ur wages now?

seavill

S.R. wrote: »

seavill, now to you.
Pressing thanks button here?
U said u are a teacher. I remember when 5-6 years ago government did plan to cut ur money, teachers were going on about strike. We go on strike, we go on strike, blah, blah, blah. And look at u today. Pressing here thanks button, when I mentioned idiots that did run country to nowhere. Happy to have ur wages now?

Nothing to do with the thread, PM me if you wish to discuss it

S.R.

seavill wrote: »

Nothing to do with the thread, PM me if you wish to discuss it

Forget it, I am sure u got my point. What else to discuss?!

clairek6

I remeber having to clean up someone elses puke in second class!!!

seavill

S.R. wrote: »

Forget it, I am sure u got my point. What else to discuss?!

I actually havn't a clue what you are getting at so again if you want to discuss something that has nothing to do with this thread feel free to PM me, if what you are on about does have something to do with this thread please explain becuase I am missing it

S.R.

PcAngel wrote: »

That's your choice.
If you expect doctors/nurses in schools....... - sorry you are disappointed.

Yes, I expect nurse in schools and other things u can see where country is not run by lunatics. And if u are not expecting much, then enjoy a ride by politicians. U deserve it. I am sure they do not leave u disappointed. :P

byhookorbycrook

Right ,can we get back on topic please?

PcAngel

S.R. wrote: »

Yes, I expect nurse in schools and other things u can see where country is not run by lunatics. And if u are not expecting much, then enjoy a ride by politicians. U deserve it. I am sure they do not leave u disappointed. :P

I thought you'd be packing your bags at this stage.
;)You have mentioned it often enough.

S.R.

PcAngel wrote: »

I thought you'd be packing your bags at this stage.
;)You have mentioned it often enough.

Believe or no, have already started. Going to Canada. Any message for compatriots?

BabysCoffee

I don't think it is a teachers place to clean up blood.

S.R.

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Right ,can we get back on topic please?

ok, sorry.

Big Bag of Chips

clairek6 wrote: »

I remeber having to clean up someone elses puke in second class!!!

I remember a boy in my class having "accidents" frequently enough up to at least 2nd class. The key for the cupboard with the mops and buckets was kept in the headmaster's office. I was the only one brave enough (or naive enough!) to go ask for it.. so it became "my job" to mop up after him! We didn't have a fulltime cleaner. The caretaker took care of outside.. and he wasn't fulltime either.

How did we ever survive school, I wonder!

freshpopcorn

Very few schools in Ireland have nurses and do we need them? No because they would be waste of money.
I went to a primary school that had a full time care taker. If somebody vommited all over the floor the teacher would call the caretaker. If the caretaker was abscent they would have sorted something out. The person who got sick would go and wait by the office to be collected.
If an 11 year old got a nose bleed, you'd probably have to clean it yourself. Unless you weren't able to do it. If it was so server the child would probably be sent home. At that age you should be sort off looking after yourself. You'd hardly expect the caretaker to clean the table if somebody blew snot a all over the table?
Some of the replies here are halirous about nurses and sick bays, in Ireland we've a chair near the prinipal s office and a first aid box and it didn't do me or anybody I know any harm.

HomelessMidge

S.R. wrote: »

lads and girls, move abroad, enjoy life in adequately run country. I certainly going to move. Sick of place.
Instead of creating jobs rocket scientists came up with idea of 19.5 hours/week work for additional 20 euro. It stinks!

Take Anna with you too. You and her sound like two peas in a pod.

S.R.

HomelessMidge wrote: »

Take Anna with you too. You and her sound like two peas in a pod.

Get a roof over ur head before giving advice to others.