Most racist person you ever met.

S.R.

Yeah_Right wrote: »

i learnt to be smart by going to school that you didnt teach at

U learned nothing.
I am sure u used books to roll cigarettes.

S.R.

cometogether wrote: »

If alleged black crime rates have nothing to do with the colour of their skin then why go on about them?

Don't ask me. Ask those who started it. I don't even remember why and where it did start.

S.R.

Oh, I am tired. Lets stop skin issue and go back to stories.

blackwhite

S.R. wrote: »

Why Italian Americans are bold? Are you a racist?

Historically, the Italian American demographic would have been seen as heavily involved in criminal activity (although its been somewhat romanticised by Hollywood, etc).

Again, the roots are the same as the reasons for the current crime demographics in the US - i.e. large portions of the Italian American community lived in severe poverty in the late 19th/early 20th century, usually in "ghetto"-like condensed urban environments.
It doesn't mean that Italian-Americans are more predisposed to criminality, it means that their ethnic group was, at the time, concentrated in areas which had a higher propensity to criminal behaviour.

Look up the "Great Migration" of the early 20th to see the shift in African Americans from a largely rural population to a largely urban population.

The advent of housing projects through the 1950s and 1960s in the US resulted in a similar ghettoisation of the urban African-American poor, and has contributed hugely to the growth in crime rates from that demographic.


Similarly in Dublin today you'll see much higher instances of crime in Darndale than you do in Foxrock.

S.R.

blackwhite wrote: »

Historically, the Italian American demographic would have been seen as heavily involved in criminal activity (although its been somewhat romanticised by Hollywood, etc).

Again, the roots are the same as the reasons for the current crime demographics in the US - i.e. large portions of the Italian American community lived in severe poverty in the late 19th/early 20th century, usually in "ghetto"-like condensed urban environments.
It doesn't mean that Italian-Americans are more predisposed to criminality, it means that their ethnic group was, at the time, concentrated in areas which had a higher propensity to criminal behaviour.

The advent of housing projects through the 1950s and 1960s in the US resulted in a similar ghettoisation of the urban African-American poor, and has contributed hugely to the growth in crime rates from that demographic.


Similarly in Dublin today you'll see much higher instances of crime in Darndale than you do in Foxrock.

Then why only Italians in bold? Irish used to be good gangsters too.
Italian mafia are good. Without them we wouldn't have so many great films.

El Guapo!

S.R, enough trolling. Don't post in this thread again please.

S.R.

I swear to God, I did not troll. But if u don't want me to post here - ok, no probs.

Mars Bar

My cousins Dad. He used to bring us to school in the morning and one morning he saw a black person. He said "They should have had a wash this morning." He then laughed. I was like :eek:

sopretty

Come to think of it, and it never dawned on me until this thread, we had a neighbour who must have been racist. My OH was his friend on facebook and called me one day to say 'look what yer man has just liked on FB'. It was a page on Facebook about Ku Klux Klan (sorry if spelling is off). I was like 'wtf?' I honestly thought that movement was dead and gone. I just told OH it's probably some joke or something. Never passed another bit of heed on it. This guy was from Czech Republic, and it appears, from posts on here anyway, that that neck of the woods ain't too keen on black people...

Photo-Sniper

Have a friend who thinks its "funny" to post racist jokes on twitter to get retweets etc. (young people today etc etc).

Yeah_Right

blackwhite wrote: »

Historically, the Italian American demographic would have been seen as heavily involved in criminal activity (although its been somewhat romanticised by Hollywood, etc).

Again, the roots are the same as the reasons for the current crime demographics in the US - i.e. large portions of the Italian American community lived in severe poverty in the late 19th/early 20th century, usually in "ghetto"-like condensed urban environments.
It doesn't mean that Italian-Americans are more predisposed to criminality, it means that their ethnic group was, at the time, concentrated in areas which had a higher propensity to criminal behaviour.

Look up the "Great Migration" of the early 20th to see the shift in African Americans from a largely rural population to a largely urban population.

The advent of housing projects through the 1950s and 1960s in the US resulted in a similar ghettoisation of the urban African-American poor, and has contributed hugely to the growth in crime rates from that demographic.


Similarly in Dublin today you'll see much higher instances of crime in Darndale than you do in Foxrock.

Please stop using logic and facts to get your point across

J_E

S.R. wrote: »

Anyone, who is not from foreign country, whose ancestors lived in Ireland, who has Irish blood, who has Irish culture, who speaks Irish language (and please don't start about language).

I have a genuine question too. Are you calling my son Irish? Like, are u forcing him to be Irish only coz he was born in Ireland?

There's something so Aryan-like about that post...it's disturbing.

Oranage2

I think people that call black or Asian people "Irish" are part of the problem, it infers that the persons other nationally is some how inferior to being Irish.

J_E

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think people that call black or Asian people "Irish" are part of the problem, it infers that the persons other nationally is some how inferior to being Irish.

Huh? Are they not entitled to be Irish or something?

Oranage2

Cydoniac wrote: »

Huh? Are they no entitled to be Irish or something?

if they hold an Irish passport of course they're entitled to call themselves Irish. But saying someones Irish instead of He's Nigerian implies that there's something wrong with the other guys nationality and I find that just as racist.

AnonoBoy

Oranage2 wrote: »

if they hold an Irish passport of course they're entitled to call themselves Irish. But saying someones Irish instead of He's Nigerian implies that there's something wrong with the other guys nationality and I find that just as racist.

What about Irish-Nigerian?

J_E

Oranage2 wrote: »

if they hold an Irish passport of course they're entitled to call themselves Irish. But saying someones Irish instead of He's Nigerian implies that there's something wrong with the other guys nationality and I find that just as racist.

If someone is happy to identify as Irish and they have Irish citizenship/passport, I fail to see the issue here.

Oranage2

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What about Irish-Nigerian?

They can call themselves whatever they want to I don't care.

sopretty

I think this has gone from a discussion on racism to a discussion on how to define nationality. Anyway!

Racism to me, is assuming/presuming/thinking/asserting the fact that for e.g. (to drag one out of the air), that all things considered, and all things being equal, black people are going to be more likely to commit a crime than white people...

Vet Thrower

Zeebs wrote: »

So growing up in a poor, working class area doesn't make the chance of that individual engaging in crime more likely???

I don't think you hear many D4 accents around Mountjoy.

If you think its bull**** maybe you should read the papers and look at the areas where most offenders come from, they will predominately be poor, working class areas. Thats a fact. So to say that social and economic disadvantages aren't the MAJOR cause of crime is complete and utter bull**** to use your phrase.

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

How do we know that the presence of large numbers of criminals in certain neighborhoods isn't the cause of the general poverty level? As the old saying goes, crime doesn't pay.

You can be sure if some teenagers in Dalkey started running wild, joyriding, housebreaking, dealing drugs and so on, that their parents and neighbours would take action to stamp out the problem pretty quickly.

But what happens in poor areas? Nothing.

In all bad areas, people say the same thing. "The vast majority of people here are law abiding and hard working. It's just a small handful of people who ruin it for everyone."

The real problem is that the "vast majority" have a duty to maintain standards in their areas, and they neglect that duty.

sopretty

Jaysus. Just had a chat with the OH about racism. Now he'd be into football (which I ignore lol). He said the racism in soccer is chronic. Some group called Shankter Doenstke (spelling probably way off!) had to play their games behind closed doors, as they were being attacked for playing against black players (maybe somebody can confirm?).

Apparently, the amount of racism in sport is huge.

I think I may have had my eyes wide shut in thinking that racism was dead.

Very shocked.

Oranage2

blackwhite wrote: »

Historically, the Italian American demographic would have been seen as heavily involved in criminal activity (although its been somewhat romanticised by Hollywood, etc).

Again, the roots are the same as the reasons for the current crime demographics in the US - i.e. large portions of the Italian American community lived in severe poverty in the late 19th/early 20th century, usually in "ghetto"-like condensed urban environments.
It doesn't mean that Italian-Americans are more predisposed to criminality, it means that their ethnic group was, at the time, concentrated in areas which had a higher propensity to criminal behaviour.

Look up the "Great Migration" of the early 20th to see the shift in African Americans from a largely rural population to a largely urban population.

The advent of housing projects through the 1950s and 1960s in the US resulted in a similar ghettoisation of the urban African-American poor, and has contributed hugely to the growth in crime rates from that demographic.


Similarly in Dublin today you'll see much higher instances of crime in Darndale than you do in Foxrock.

It's a good point, I remember hearing a lecture of a former mount joy warden and he said something like 90 percent of the prison population came front 5 black spots around Ireland.

I guess it's something similar in USA the black spots there are made up of mostly black people that's why something like 50 percent of the prison population is black yet black people make up around 10 percent of the USA population.

But with everything said, doesn't that make it true that black people are far more likely to commit crime in the US?

S.R.

sopretty wrote: »

Jaysus. Just had a chat with the OH about racism. Now he'd be into football (which I ignore lol). He said the racism in soccer is chronic. Some group called Shankter Doenstke (spelling probably way off!) had to play their games behind closed doors, as they were being attacked for playing against black players (maybe somebody can confirm?).

Apparently, the amount of racism in sport is huge.

I think I may have had my eyes wide shut in thinking that racism was dead.

Very shocked.

S.R.

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's a good point, I remember hearing a lecture of a former mount joy warden and he said something like 90 percent of the prison population came front 5 black spots around Ireland.

I guess it's something similar in USA the black spots there are made up of mostly black people that's why something like 50 percent of the prison population is black yet black people make up around 10 percent of the USA population.

But with everything said, doesn't that make it true that black people are far more likely to commit crime in the US?

I think it's more than 10%.

sopretty

S.R. wrote: »

You think it's funny?

Yeah_Right

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's a good point, I remember hearing a lecture of a former mount joy warden and he said something like 90 percent of the prison population came front 5 black spots around Ireland.

I guess it's something similar in USA the black spots there are made up of mostly black people that's why something like 50 percent of the prison population is black yet black people make up around 10 percent of the USA population.

But with everything said, doesn't that make it true that black people are far more likely to commit crime in the US?

In thread on racism!!!!!!!

Sorry. Couldnt resist

Yeah_Right

S.R. wrote: »

I think it's more than 10%.

You're right. 12.6%

AnonoBoy

Oranage2 wrote: »

They can call themselves whatever they want to I don't care.

Then I don't understand your point.

S.R.

Yeah_Right wrote: »

In thread on racism!!!!!!!

Sorry. Couldnt resist

RACIST!

Mod:Banned.

mayordenis

Oranage2 wrote: »

But with everything said, doesn't that make it true that black people are far more likely to commit crime in the US?

Just more likely to be convicted surely?

Yeah_Right

S.R. wrote: »

RACIST!

Mod:Banned.

You don't need to ban him/her. I've been called worse. in fact I will probably get called all sorts of things tonight

Oranage2

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Then I don't understand your point.

My point relates to Irish people calling their mixed raced or different race friend 'Irish' and failing to recognize the other persons nationality/race, as if being Irish is superior to the persons other race/nationality.

daveyeh

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Sadly racist views can be found in all societies and at all levels in society, and I include Ireland in that.
The most overtly racist comment I remember was when Conor Lenihan, a junior minister in the FF/PD coalition referred to Turkish workers being exploited by a company called GAMA as "the kebabs".

That Conor Lenihan is a nasty bastard. Pure evil behind those physcopathic darting eyes.

daveyeh

S.R. wrote: »

RACIST!

Mod:Banned.

Surely he was joking?

daveyeh

All white Australians.

They view you with suspicion if you aren't a racist.

Red Pepper

S.R. wrote: »

RACIST!

Mod:Banned.

who was banned???

sopretty

This thread has been an eye opener. I genuinely did not realise that people were still racist.

AnonoBoy

Oranage2 wrote: »

My point relates to Irish people calling their mixed raced or different race friend 'Irish' and failing to recognize the other persons nationality/race, as if being Irish is superior to the persons other race/nationality.

Oh right.

I'm not sure if that's seeing Irish as being superior. They could be just lazy and aren't bothered saying African-Irish or Chinese-Irish. Given that it'll be apparent that someone obviously has Chinese or African parents they just might not see the need.

I wouldn't jump on that as being racist.

TeaMp0isoN

sopretty wrote: »

I think this has gone from a discussion on racism to a discussion on how to define nationality. Anyway!

Racism to me, is assuming/presuming/thinking/asserting the fact that for e.g. (to drag one out of the air), that all things considered, and all things being equal, black people are going to be more likely to commit a crime than white people...

It seems all very black & white with you, where do you get this from? Jeezuz what about the others, don't you think they can be prayed upon by the evil white bigots. Why not have a life changing outlook & back up all races from these white men & woman who think this way. How else are we going to end racism, really what do you think.

Galwayguy35

Nodin wrote: »

New on me too. "Balluba", or the far rarer "bashi bazouk" I've heard (though ballubas was actually always applied to a pack of rowdy lads, rather than coloured folk). "Shan mohangi" is one that the Indian/Pakistani community still probably have to look up the odd time.

I thought Ballubas were the tribesmen who attacked the peacekeepers on the Congo in the 1960s?

Outkast_IRE

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I thought Ballubas were the tribesmen who attacked the peacekeepers on the Congo in the 1960s?

they are, but you would often hear people call others it with no racist motive

Pug160

sopretty wrote: »

I think this has gone from a discussion on racism to a discussion on how to define nationality. Anyway!

Racism to me, is assuming/presuming/thinking/asserting the fact that for e.g. (to drag one out of the air), that all things considered, and all things being equal, black people are going to be more likely to commit a crime than white people...

Actually, that's not racist. At least in certain parts of the world. A black man in London is more likely to commit a crime. That's just stating a fact. That doesn't mean we shouldn't treat everyone as individuals though, as I mentioned earlier. I think there's still a difference even when poverty is taken into consideration.

sopretty

There is a family locally who are prone to getting in trouble with law and they are called 'the ballubas' As in 'who did it?' 'oh it was one of the ballubas'(big family) lol. Never knew the origin.

sopretty

Pug160 wrote: »

Actually, that's not racist. At least in certain parts of the world. A black man in London is more likely to commit a crime. That's just stating a fact. That doesn't mean we shouldn't treat everyone as individuals though, as I mentioned earlier. I think there's still a difference even when poverty is taken into consideration.

All things being equal though..............???

sopretty

Pug160 wrote: »

Actually, that's not racist. At least in certain parts of the world. A black man in London is more likely to commit a crime. That's just stating a fact. That doesn't mean we shouldn't treat everyone as individuals though, as I mentioned earlier. I think there's still a difference even when poverty is taken into consideration.

Even if you could prove this to be true, which you can't, lol............. I rest my case.

Pug160

sopretty wrote: »

All things being equal though..............???

Possibly, yeah. I think there is a difference even when poverty levels are taken into consideration. It's difficult to state exact numbers obviously, but because there is such a disparity (like in the London example I have given), I think it's reasonable enough to assume that. But then if that is proven there will be another excuse, and then another. Poverty, no role models, discrimination. It's like a broken record. Other minorities have faced hardship and succeeded in greater numbers.

sopretty

Pug160 wrote: »

Possibly, yeah. I think there is a difference even when poverty levels are taken into consideration. It's difficult to state exact numbers obviously, but because there is such a disparity (like in the London example I have given), I think it's reasonable enough to assume that. But then if that is proven there will be another excuse, and then another. Poverty, no role models, discrimination. It's like a broken record. Other minorities have faced hardship and succeeded in greater numbers.

So you feel that black people are more prone to crime because of genetics or something?

TeaMp0isoN

Pug160 wrote: »

Actually, that's not racist. At least in certain parts of the world. A black man in London is more likely to commit a crime. That's just stating a fact. That doesn't mean we shouldn't treat everyone as individuals though, as I mentioned earlier. I think there's still a difference even when poverty is taken into consideration.

I think that poster meant to say it was racist & evil for anyone to presume i.e without evidence that a person who is uniquely distinct or specially different in some way i.e black & white to that poster, that they are more likely to commit a crime against you....I don't believe your opinion on London. Have you any links.

Pug160

TeaMp0isoN wrote: »

I think that poster meant to say it was racist & evil for anyone to presume i.e without evidence that a person who is uniquely distinct or specially different in some way i.e black & white to that poster, that they are more likely to commit a crime against you....I don't believe your opinion on London. Have you any links.

It's not an opinion, it's Metropolitan Police statistics. I have posted them before. It's Friday night and I can't really be bothered Googling that stuff tonight. It's there if you search.

TeaMp0isoN

sopretty wrote: »

So you feel that black people are more prone to crime because of genetics or something?

Are you saying then they are not. Have you been reading up on genetics? Not all black & white genetics surely.