Spar IFSC: Female Sandwich Makers Needed. Sausages need not apply.

L1011

Yellowblackbird wrote: »

Is it not the case that they weigh the sandwiche when it's finished. So the more in it the higher the charge. The more profit.

Rarely.

newport2

FTA69 wrote: »

Total ****.

http://www.iua.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/IUS-04-2013-Gender-At-A-Glance.pdf

Page 9

Law - 70% Women
Science - 65% Women
Business - 59% Women
Maths - 65% Women

Serious gender education gap has emerged, thanks for highlighting. More must be done to support boys in school.

--Kaiser--

FTA69 wrote: »

Yeah. Women are under-represented in politics and the higher economic positions because they're too busy crocheting or having babies is it? Patronising nonsense. Ironic that women are over-represented in universities but subsequently under-represented in business and the professions.

Given that:
a) women have the right to vote
b) women have the right to stand for election

How do you attribute the lack of women in political positions?

All Hail President Murphy

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Given that:
a) women have the right to vote
b) women have the right to stand for election

How do you attribute the lack of women in political positions?

It's simply beause they are not interested.

Same reason for lack of male child minders

Same reason for lack of female software developers

--Kaiser--

All Hail President Murphy wrote: »

It's simply beause they are not interested.

Same reason for lack of male child minders

Same reason for lack of female software developers

Oh, I know that, I want to know what nonsense yerman was going to come up with

MonstaMash

southcentralts wrote: »

wanted: female Latino midget to work as a bouncer.

:pac::pac::pac:

spurious

newport2 wrote: »

Serious gender education gap has emerged, thanks for highlighting. More must be done to support boys in school.

This is a very serious issue in education, which is being lost in the rush to survey on uniforms and other essential things..

On the sandwich issue, I once asked an owner of a city centre place why they didn't have men working there. He told me it was because any men they had had working there were too slow, concentrating on one order at a time instead of having a few on the go. I remember thinking it was an odd thing to say, though personal experience of other shops would lend it some validity.

Nevertheless, highly illegal to advertise as solely open to women - unless there is some toilet limitation in the building, would that be a possible excuse?

FTA69

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Given that:
a) women have the right to vote
b) women have the right to stand for election

How do you attribute the lack of women in political positions?

There's a few reasons.

1) For centuries we've all been inculcated with the notion that a woman's place is in the home or linked with activities to do with that; this includes women by the way. I work predominantly with Bangladeshi women and many of them don't look beyond homemaking due to the society they were brought up in. When it comes to political office, many people don't think it's the proper place for a woman.

2) Many political parties are old boys clubs that are cold houses for women. Something I've seen first hand as both an activist in a political party as well as working for a trade union.

3) Maternity. I.e the expectation that once a woman has kids she must be the primary care-giver which will distract from her potential career.

There's a few reasons for starters.

Personally I don't think it an ideal situation where women are 51% of the population in Ireland but only 13% odd of women are TDs.

sunbabe08

since i would be outraged if it said men only need apply, so equally i am outraged that i'm seeing this sign with women only. rather unfair to be honest. :mad:

Lyaiera

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/spar-left-red-faced-over-females-only-job-ad-1.1715136

Stinicker

I'm surprised it did not read how it was a job-scambridge internship. Nothing beats 9 months internship learning how to butter bread.

--Kaiser--

FTA69 wrote: »

There's a few reasons.

1) For centuries we've all been inculcated with the notion that a woman's place is in the home or linked with activities to do with that; this includes women by the way. I work predominantly with Bangladeshi women and many of them don't look beyond homemaking due to the society they were brought up in. When it comes to political office, many people don't think it's the proper place for a woman.

2) Many political parties are old boys clubs that are cold houses for women. Something I've seen first hand as both an activist in a political party as well as working for a trade union.

3) Maternity. I.e the expectation that once a woman has kids she must be the primary care-giver which will distract from her potential career.

There's a few reasons for starters.

Personally I don't think it an ideal situation where women are 51% of the population in Ireland but only 13% odd of women are TDs.

Of your reasons, only 2 has any credence. Do you think gender quotas are a good solution to the issue?

sopretty

Lyaiera wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/spar-left-red-faced-over-females-only-job-ad-1.1715136

Yeay! Result.

FTA69

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Of your reasons, only 2 has any credence. Do you think gender quotas are a good solution to the issue?

Would you like to explain how they don't have any credence?

I agree with quotas in some situations yeah.

Donkey Oaty

sopretty wrote: »

Yeay! Result.

Now that Spar has fallen, we need to take on the mighty Centra and Londis at something or other.

everdead.ie

FTA69 wrote: »

Would you like to explain how they don't have any credence?

I agree with quotas in some situations yeah.

I don't think quotas are a good idea cream inevitably rises to the top higher participation is what is required to do this it needs to be made more attractive to women.

Certainly I don't want a female TD to have an important government minister position because there was a quota I want her to have the job because she is the best for the position.

jackofalltrades

FTA69 wrote: »

There's a few reasons.

2) Many political parties are old boys clubs that are cold houses for women. Something I've seen first hand as both an activist in a political party as well as working for a trade union.

Womens representation in political parties is multiple times that of their representation as independant candidates.
The "old boys club" excuse doesn't hold any water.

--Kaiser--

FTA69 wrote: »

Would you like to explain how they don't have any credence?

I agree with quotas in some situations yeah.

Generalising assumptions about people's beliefs. It's horse****. The reason that not that many women get elected is mostly due to the fact that not that many woman run for office.

Do you agree with quotas for political positions?

sopretty

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Now that Spar has fallen, we need to take on the mighty Centra and Londis at something or other.

Well, I meant that more in response to an earlier post saying that we are just commenting on a discussion forum, which is ineffective....

pundy

Dean0088 wrote: »

@SparIreland just tweeted back to me when I sent them the pic. They said they'll get onto the store. So chances are the sign will come down sharpish - but there's very obviously a sexist manager working there so you have to ask whether the hiring process will change behind the scenes.

that's my local shop and the manager is a bloke.

dave1982

http://www.thejournal.ie/spar-deli-ad-women-only-1348001-Mar2014/?utm_source=facebook_short

THE OWNER OF a Spar shop has apologised after the store posted up a sign saying only women could apply for a job at a deli counter.
The sign was put up in the window of a shop on Lower Mayor Street in the IFSC in Dublin city centre. The text of the ad read: “Full time deli staff required. Enquire within with CV. Females only”.
A photograph of the ad was posted to boards.ie by a user and it was also raised on the Spar Ireland Facebook page.
Within minutes of a photograph of the ad being placed on the Facebook page, Spar Ireland said it had contacted the owner and the sign had been removed.
Under equality legislation, employers can not specify that only men or women can apply for a particular job, unless it is a real occupational requirement.
“As soon as this was brought to SPAR Ireland’s attention we contacted the independent retailer and asked them to take the sign down immediately,” the post from Spar said.
“The retailer has taken down the sign and has apologised for the error and any offence caused. SPAR Ireland is an equal opportunities employer”.
The photograph has attracted a lot of attention with several hundred likes, comments, and shares on Facebook.

h2005

The funny part is they'll probably have to hire a man now to appease the crowd!

FTA69

Generalising assumptions about people's beliefs

Society is how it is because of certain trends within it. As I said, for years men and women were conditioned into acting certain ways, being given certain roles and steered toward certain jobs. Political office has been male-dominated since time immemorial, if you think that that conditioning has gone away you're codding yourself.

Do you agree with quotas for political positions?

I think we should have a party list system where a certain percentage of chosen MPs should be women.

sopretty

h2005 wrote: »

The funny part is they'll probably have to hire a man now to appease the crowd!

Lol - I can imagine all the regulars curiously keeping an eye out for this new recruit! Which ironically might make it good for business!

Anyone

Well done, now loads of men will apply for a job they cant get.

--Kaiser--

FTA69 wrote: »

Society is how it is because of certain trends within it. As I said, for years men and women were conditioned into acting certain ways, being given certain roles and steered toward certain jobs. Political office has been male-dominated since time immemorial, if you think that that conditioning has gone away you're codding yourself.

We've elected a female President, Germany has a female Premier, Australia had one, the US have a female presidential hopeful. My mother has run for local election and campaigned for several other women. Welcome to the 21st century.

I think we should have a party list system where a certain percentage of chosen MPs should be women.

So, hypothetically, if a party has no females that have joined it and wish to run for election, then it has to try to drum up any female that will do so (regardless of suitability) just to meet quotas? Do you think this is how a democracy should work?

sopretty

I noticed today that the Danish PM is a lady also. It was during interviews with EU leaders as to their opinions on Crimea/Russia. There were quite a few women but can't remember the countries involved - more women than men I'd say!

Guy:Incognito

anncoates wrote: »

Maybe the position is for a tampon bin emptier.

These guys have plenty of men working for them.

http://www.phswashrooms.ie/

Baneblade

h2005 wrote: »

The funny part is they'll probably have to hire a man now to appease the crowd!

going to need one in every shop too

bbc have their token female comedian, spar have their token male deli staff

abbir

FTA69 wrote: »

I think we should have a party list system where a certain percentage of chosen MPs should be women.

Since you have said MPs, does this mean regardless of how the public vote some women should just be made MPs anyway?