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Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

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    #3722
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I thought it was fairly common knowledge that files can't reliably be deleted.

    IF the pilot was up to something and wanted to cover his tracks, the only way he could be certain of doing so would be to physically destroy his hard drive.

    While it is common knowledge, I think some people sort of underestimate it! Physically destroying his hard-drive would be a wee bit suspicious.
    Certainly, deleting stuff is normal behaviour. I do it myself all the time when I run out of space or whatever.
    I actually feel sorry for the captain's family. On top of their loss, they are having to co-operate with intrusive investigations. I know that that is life, but still.


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    #3723
    sully2010
    Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭sully2010


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I thought it was fairly common knowledge that files can't reliably be deleted.

    IF the pilot was up to something and wanted to cover his tracks, the only way he could be certain of doing so would be to physically destroy his hard drive.

    I believe its fairly common knowledge to a lot of people but I also know a lot of people who wouldn't know this, a lot of people think if they delete their internet browsing history its gone forever!


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    #3724
    Silverbling
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 311 ✭✭Silverbling


    I have a question if any pilots are still here.

    If you forgot all of the rules, regulations and the Western way of flying planes safely.

    Could you fly any aircraft without specific training?

    I mean even if it is a bit bumpy and shaky could you fly (like borrowing someone else's car until you get used to it) and more importantly land a plane you have never flown before just because you have x hours flight experience.

    I was going to say could you wing it but that sounds a bit cheesy.


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    #3725
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Silverbling wrote: »
    I have a question if any pilots are still here.

    If you forgot all of the rules, regulations and the Western way of flying planes safely.

    Could you fly any aircraft without specific training?

    I mean even if it is a bit bumpy and shaky could you fly (like borrowing someone else's car until you get used to it) and more importantly land a plane you have never flown before just because you have x hours flight experience.

    I was going to say could you wing it but that sounds a bit cheesy.
    Silverbling wrote: »
    I have a question if any pilots are still here.

    If you forgot all of the rules, regulations and the Western way of flying planes safely.

    Could you fly any aircraft without specific training?

    I mean even if it is a bit bumpy and shaky could you fly (like borrowing someone else's car until you get used to it) and more importantly land a plane you have never flown before just because you have x hours flight experience.

    I was going to say could you wing it but that sounds a bit cheesy.

    I think that an experienced big jet pilot, with a bit of book work, could fly another type, within reason. It's also worth noting that there's a lot of similarities across the same manufacturer. For instance, I've no doubt that a 320 rated pilot could manage a 330 or a 340 or infact a 380, with very little extra study . The philosophy is the same. Similarly with boeing, there would be a lot of cross over. So yes, possible.


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    #3726
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    sully2010 wrote: »
    I believe its fairly common knowledge to a lot of people but I also know a lot of people who wouldn't know this, a lot of people think if they delete their internet browsing history its gone forever!

    It depends how long your files are deleted: if it was last week they can be retrieved, but they gradually get overwritten by new files.


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    #3727
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Possible you could fly it alright, but I doubt you'd land it safely or handle an emergency too well.

    That's why I have a feeling it was being piloted by an amateur who'd hijacked it or by passenger / cabin crew who couldn't reactive the comms systems.


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    #3728
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    sully2010 wrote: »
    Fair enough your entitled to your opinion. Xplane has very real flight characteristics and has been endorsed by pilots. Software is available for any strip capable of landing a 777. At the end of the day its the pilots experience of 18000 hours that would land the the plane wherever he wanted to land it and using a simulator for a few dry runs would do harm whatsover.

    I'm not saying it's not a great piece if kit, but it's usefulness would be pretty limited! I doubt there's software (other than generic runway type stuff) for any runway where you could covertly land a 777. Tbh, it would be much more useful to find some plotting charts with primary radar sites and their assumed coverage plotted, with a route around that! If I was planing to make of with a 777, that's the kind of research I'd be doing. Flying the thing ain't the problem for the captain. It's the logistics of not being found out. (Not that I think that that is what happened)


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    #3729
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Sorry just coming into this thread now and I haven't time to read the thread, so sorry if it's been posted already. Thought this article sounds very plausible.

    http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/


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    #3730
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Synode wrote: »
    Sorry just coming into this thread now and I haven't time to read the thread, so sorry if it's been posted already. Thought this article sounds very plausible.

    http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

    Interesting new theory once again............ :eek:


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    #3731
    Happyman42
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    Synode wrote: »
    Sorry just coming into this thread now and I haven't time to read the thread, so sorry if it's been posted already. Thought this article sounds very plausible.

    http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/



    http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/20sasb/very_concise_debunk_of_chris_goodfellows_theory/


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    #3732
    Mick55
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭Mick55


    Here is a great piece of fictional writing. Amazing how fast these conspiracy theories come about. ( I don't believe it btw ;) )


    http://greatgameindia.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/mh370-mystery-suspicious-cargo-death-of-2-ex-navy-seals-aboard-mv-maersk-alabama/


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    #3733
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Synode wrote: »
    Sorry just coming into this thread now....... so sorry if it's been posted already. Thought this article sounds very plausible.
    It does indeed however the author (Mr Goodfellow) doesn't do the theory justice with some of his phrases in the article.


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    #3734
    dees99
    Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭dees99


    Growler!!! wrote: »
    Ah that's clearer than what you initially posted. Being called off standby is a risk of the job:D, having said that has this been confirmed? If it has it then shows the Captain can be the only one with the plan to take over the aircraft.

    I fear you didn't read what I posted. The excerpt below comes from Inmarsat themselves.

    The purpose of the hourly "handshakes" is to allow the satellite to know the approximate location of the aircraft so that it can efficiently relay any messages. For this, the satellite needs to know the angle of the aircraft from the satellite.

    Therefore they can approximate the position of the aircraft at 40 degrees from the satellite, that is why there is an arc which is shown on many of the news websites.

    I don't believe the other pilot had anything to do with it. We have been shown photos of him posing in the cockpit with women, strictly against the rules. This would suggest that he is pretty lax about having the cockpit door open, was probably wandering in and out himself and would have been an easy target to hijack.

    Ok if what you say is true about the hourly pings, then its logical to assume that the aircraft touched down within an hour of the last ping. So why aren't they searching in that radius? I think your getting mixed up growler


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    #3735
    Growler!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    dees99 wrote: »
    I don't believe the other pilot had anything to do with it. We have been shown photos of him posing in the cockpit with women, strictly against the rules. This would suggest that he is pretty lax about having the cockpit door open, was probably wandering in and out himself and would have been an easy target to hijack.

    Ok if what you say is true about the hourly pings, then its logical to assume that the aircraft touched down within an hour of the last ping. So why aren't they searching in that radius? I think your getting mixed up growler


    As I mentioned in an earlier post, in Asia the captain rules the roost. The f/o would have done nothing without the captains consent. The pictures we were shown showed another captain not the one on this flight. As for wandering in and out, it's not a saloon door!

    I'm not saying it's true about the pings. The satellite operator is saying it.
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    The various authorities ARE searching along its circumference. Those countries to the north have said nothing was picked up on radar so the search is continuing to the south.


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    #3736
    wil
    Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    latest seems to be some completely uncorroborated info mentioned on Sky news referring to BBC, about signals coming from movng aircraft and that Australia may have picked up pings indicating it was heading due south in direction of South pole,
    /mostly maybe, it's as clear as that.


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    #3737
    wil
    Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    sopretty wrote: »
    They said they have been working with the FBI since day 1 - this was in response to a question from a journalist as to whether it was true that they had refused help from a team from the FBI.
    See, I told you so:)

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26649690
    The FBI is aiding the Malaysian government's search for a Malaysia Airlines jet missing for more than a week, the White House has confirmed.


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    #3738
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,522 ✭✭✭✭fits


    wil wrote: »
    latest seems to be some completely uncorroborated info mentioned on Sky news referring to BBC, about signals coming from movng aircraft and that Australia may have picked up pings indicating it was heading due south in direction of South pole,
    /mostly maybe, it's as clear as that.

    Seeing this on twitter but no link. If you put in "BBC: some rubbish"....that means its true innit


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    #3739
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    wil wrote: »
    See, I told you so:)

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26649690
    The FBI is aiding the Malaysian government's search for a Malaysia Airlines jet missing for more than a week, the White House has confirmed.

    I wasn't disputing the fact!


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    #3740
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    What I was disputing was that there was such a thing as 'local' FBI! If there is.......... I'll be right down to my local FBI office tomorrow to find out why I was never informed that they were there.


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    #3741
    robbieVan
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭robbieVan


    If the Captain WAS up to something and the simulator had a role to play in it I don't think he'd proudly show it off on Youtube and post in different FSX forums about it and putting it together, that doesn't really make sense. He comes across as just an Aviation/Technology Nerd.


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    #3742
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,522 ✭✭✭✭fits


    sopretty wrote: »
    What I was disputing was that there was such a thing as 'local' FBI! If there is.......... I'll be right down to my local FBI office tomorrow to find out why I was never informed that they were there.

    Do the FBI even have jurisdiction outside the 50 states? I don't think they do.


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    #3743
    robbieVan
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭robbieVan


    sopretty wrote: »
    What I was disputing was that there was such a thing as 'local' FBI! If there is.......... I'll be right down to my local FBI office tomorrow to find out why I was never informed that they were there.

    It was obviously a typo or something, don't be so petty, wasting space in this thread with pointless posts, enough of those already in it.


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    #3744
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    fits wrote: »
    Do the FBI even have jurisdiction outside the 50 states? I don't think they do.

    Malaysia has already stated that they have been working with the FBI since Day 1.


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    #3745
    wil
    Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    fits wrote: »
    Seeing this on twitter but no link. If you put in "BBC: some rubbish"....that means its true innit
    yep, every single update should be treated as suspect until some official confirmation, and even then...


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    #3746
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    robbieVan wrote: »
    It was obviously a typo or something, don't be so petty, wasting space in this thread with pointless posts, enough of those already in it.

    typos, petty, wasting space, pointless posts?

    It has been confirmed during Press Conferences that Malaysia has been working with the FBI since Day 1. There is no such thing as 'local' FBI!! Your post is more pointless than anything I have posted! :rolleyes:


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    #3747
    robbieVan
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭robbieVan


    sopretty wrote: »
    typos, petty, wasting space, pointless posts?

    It has been confirmed during Press Conferences that Malaysia has been working with the FBI since Day 1. There is no such thing as 'local' FBI!! Your post is more pointless than anything I have posted! :rolleyes:

    go look back over your posts seriously, you've been going in circles since day one, obviously there is no such thing as local fbi?!.. why point it out and try belittle someone for the sake of it?

    I might stick to reading the updates thread instead of all you noobs new to this forum jumping on board when there is some big news


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    #3748
    wil
    Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    sopretty wrote: »
    What I was disputing was that there was such a thing as 'local' FBI! If there is.......... I'll be right down to my local FBI office tomorrow to find out why I was never informed that they were there.
    No. They call you. :pac:

    I wasn't implying you were implying or questioning, I was confirming there was written confirmation that they had confirmed an FBI connection as it all seemed wild nonsense that I had probably imagined, but turns out to be true.
    Hope that's clear.;)
    The term "local FBI" was used in one report. But they don't exist.
    Did I mention doublespeak, of course not.
    Murky - that's probably the best adjective for this whole situation.


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    #3749
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    robbieVan wrote: »
    go look back over your posts seriously, you've been going in circles since day one, obviously there is no such thing as local fbi?!.. why point it out and try belittle someone for the sake of it?

    I might stick to reading the updates thread instead of all you noobs new to this forum jumping on board when there is some big news

    Well it wasn't obvious to the poster?


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    #3750
    robbieVan
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭robbieVan


    sopretty wrote: »
    Well it wasn't obvious to the poster?

    He was quoting a report or is 7 years old.


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    #3751
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    wil wrote: »
    No. They call you. :pac:

    I wasn't implying you were implying or questioning, I was confirming there was written confirmation that they had confirmed an FBI connection as it all seemed wild nonsense that I had probably imagined, but turns out to be true.
    Hope that's clear.;)
    The term "local FBI" was used in one report. But they don't exist.
    Did I mention doublespeak, of course not.
    Murky - that's probably the best adjective for this whole situation.

    At this point, I wouldn't even take 'confirmed reports' from Malaysian officials/government as truth.


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