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Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

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    #4412
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Seriously are we going back to blaming pilots now with no conclusive evidence?? Better ring up the HSE there and tell um any new doctors better retire because they're without trainers!? For god sake he was tested for over 3 months before being allowed near a B777, there are extremely high standards in our industry.
    but on balance of probabilities, it was him.

    What a truly remarkable statement to make following this news, disgusting frankly.


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    #4413
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    I presume they all fly without a trainer at some stage, it doesnt mean they are gonna bring down a plane ffs!!

    It was his 6th flight on a 777. First 5 flights, he has to have an examiner with him. He passed those flights without problem. He was also used to flying other aircraft, prior to moving to the 777.
    Also, they noted that the captain on MH370 was an examiner himself.


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    #4414
    pfurey101
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭pfurey101


    fits wrote: »
    I don't think they've found anything yet. The maths is enough. They might not find anything for weeks, if at all.

    The following plucked from a pilots forum...

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    I am curious about the technical details of this further INMARSAT ping analysis.
    As are we all. I doubt the true explanation has anything to do with Inmarsat.

    Most likely (to me) is that another satellite also received the pings, and this allowed them to eliminate the north and to dramatically narrow the southern search area.

    The posturing has been very positive for quite a few days. A fairly significant announcement from Aust PM to Malaysian PM based on a couple of grainy images? I don't think so.

    They diverted that Norwegian car carrier several days before they announced the first satellite images of debris. And then a large multinational effort with aircraft from 5-6 countries focussed on this (relatively) small area.

    They also confirmed that the initial debris had been subject to corroboration by other satellites."

    "    It was mentioned before that the Aus pilot who was flying and saw the debris was not allowed to do a tarmac interview after landing as he was whisked away for a de briefing"


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    #4415
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    I suppose it was inevitable that nobody would survive, but still heartbreaking.

    Rest in peace :(


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    #4416
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    sopretty wrote: »
    Yes, I'd say so. It's going to take some time to confirm whether any collected debris (if collected!) is actually part of the plane? Unless the crew on the boat know how to establish this? I wouldn't have a clue how you'd establish this.

    AFAIK, every plane part has a serial number, it can be checked with Boeing


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    #4417
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    True, but once on the ground it's what they'd do.
    Anyway, looks like they didn't know about it, so we can file that story into the "Non-event" archive!

    Sorry to harp back to this, (but I will as I'm quoted), but the crew operating in would have no reason to notice the broken landing light, unless the ground engineer meeting the flight noticed it, but it may not be noticed until the next crew do their preflight walk around, which might be hours later. Generally, once they've parked up, done their bit of post flight paperwork, it's off home or to the hotel. They've no responsibility to inspect the aircraft post flight.

    But very much agree - non event archive!


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    #4418
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,522 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Look maybe I am wrong, I hope I am.

    But first time flying with just captain, last in contact with ATC, plane was turned by someone who could fly, investigators looking at sabotage.


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    #4419
    relaxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭relaxed


    vicwatson wrote: »
    To the best of my knowledge they have not picked up any debris as of yet. All sightings at present

    In fairness they are not going to tell you before the families. I'll take a stab that some debris has now been collected, pictures sent back from the ship, experts say "yeah that looks conclusive but we better get it here to be 100%"

    In the meantime families are flown to Perth as the debris is being evaluated.


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    #4420
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    pfurey101 wrote: »
    The following plucked from a pilots forum...

    "
    I am curious about the technical details of this further INMARSAT ping analysis.
    As are we all. I doubt the true explanation has anything to do with Inmarsat.

    Most likely (to me) is that another satellite also received the pings, and this allowed them to eliminate the north and to dramatically narrow the southern search area.

    The posturing has been very positive for quite a few days. A fairly significant announcement from Aust PM to Malaysian PM based on a couple of grainy images? I don't think so.

    They diverted that Norwegian car carrier several days before they announced the first satellite images of debris. And then a large multinational effort with aircraft from 5-6 countries focussed on this (relatively) small area.

    They also confirmed that the initial debris had been subject to corroboration by other satellites."

    "    It was mentioned before that the Aus pilot who was flying and saw the debris was not allowed to do a tarmac interview after landing as he was whisked away for a de briefing"
    They have record of 7 pings/handshakes. The really basic satellite ones.


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    #4421
    bryangiggsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭bryangiggsy


    fits wrote: »
    sorry, but on balance of probabilities, it was him.

    Sure blame the man when u have zero proof. Ridiculus comment to make


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    #4422
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Look maybe I am wrong, I hope I am.

    No I can tell you that you are wrong, you are wrong to determine through speculation somebody's actions on that flight when the actual wreckage has not been found as well as not one bit of factual information in relation to the actions taken on the flight.
    But first time flying with just captain, last in contact with ATC, plane was turned by someone who could fly, investigators looking at sabotage.

    1) Captain was a trainer.
    2) Has no relevance really, when the PM (Pilot Monitoring) if he was on that departure would do that anyway.
    3) Could be anybody with a simulator.
    4) How you draw the final point of sabotage to the F/O is beyond me.

    Can you save your investigations until we have facts? Cheers.


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    #4423
    pfurey101
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭pfurey101


    vicwatson wrote: »
    AFAIK, every plane part has a serial number, it can be checked with Boeing

    Every component that can be removed, repaired and refitted has a serial number. But most (95%??) of the 1,000's of expendable parts such as nuts, bolts, frames, skins, fittings, wiring and all other expendables do not have serial numbers - although some may have batch numbers.


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    #4424
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    fits wrote: »
    sorry, but on balance of probabilities, it was him.

    On the balance of probabilities I'd say you're just guessing.


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    #4425
    fits
    Registered Users Posts: 13,522 ✭✭✭✭fits


    mikom wrote: »
    On the balance of probabilities I'd say you're just guessing.

    I think thats what "on balance of probabilities" means ;)

    I apologize if I turn out to be wrong. Hope we will find out what happened eventually.


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    #4426
    dodzy
    Registered Users Posts: 10,022 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Text message to families according to BBC - 13:47:BREAKING NEWS The following SMS message has been sent to relatives: "Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived. As you will hear in the next hour from Malaysia's Prime Minister, we must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean."
    Nice, a poxy text message. Way to go, MA.


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    #4427
    Simon Gruber Says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    dodzy wrote: »
    Nice, a poxy text message. Way to go, MA.

    Apparently it was sent in English to the Chinese relatives too


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    #4428
    SamAK
    Registered Users Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭SamAK


    Shiptracker - https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/


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    #4429
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    dodzy wrote: »
    Nice, a poxy text message. Way to go, MA.

    I'd say they were stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to pick the swiftest means of communication before the info was leaked and the rumour mill started.


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    #4430
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    I heard this quite a few days about, but it seems to be confirmed now.

    There were 200kg of Lithium Ion batteries in the hold!

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/mh370-transporting-200kg-of-lithium-batteries-chief-397333/


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    #4431
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 40,023 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Do sky news need to show the families reaction ? We know what it was going to be.


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    #4432
    Savman
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    Relatives told by text :eek:


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    #4433
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I heard this quite a few days about, but it seems to be confirmed now.

    There were 200kg of Lithium Ion batteries in the hold!

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/mh370-transporting-200kg-of-lithium-batteries-chief-397333/

    considering the plane ended up 1000's of miles off course, i think we can safely say there was no fire on it.

    this is either decompression or sabotage.


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    #4434
    Simon Gruber Says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Do sky news need to show the families reaction ? We know what it was going to be.

    They show the Malaysian PM's interview where he said for the media to please respect the families privacy and follow it immediately with video of a hysterical woman.

    No less than I expect from them tbh


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    #4435
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Relatives told by text

    Briefed by reps first before being texted by MAS to confirm press conference details, but as usual media hounding people to be responsible.


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    #4436
    dharma200
    Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭dharma200


    Have no idea why they keep showing the air shot of a boat with smoke coming out of it over and over again.. And the screaming relatives.... And even the wording "ASSUMED beyond all doubt" so much of this doesn't make sense


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    #4437
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    "Do sky news need to show the families reaction ? We know what it was going to be."

    Its tragedy porn. News outlets do it for ratings


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    #4438
    BlazingSaddler
    Registered Users Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭BlazingSaddler


    dharma200 wrote: »
    Have no idea why they keep showing the air shot of a boat with smoke coming out of it over and over again.. And the screaming relatives.... And even the wording "ASSUMED beyond all doubt" so much of this doesn't make sense

    What is that smoke from that they keep showing with no explanation? would it be a marker buoy?


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    #4439
    dharma200
    Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭dharma200


    mattb74 wrote: »
    What is that smoke from that they keep showing with no explanation? would it be a marker buoy?

    I don't know, I thought I was a boat.... Over and over and over..... Sky news scares me.


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    #4440
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    dharma200 wrote: »
    I don't know, I thought I was a boat.... Over and over and over..... Sky news scares me.

    It's a flare thing, to pinpoint location of debris I think.


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    #4441
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    If I was the NTSB, FAA and regulatory bodies I'd be making recommendations for changes to come about as a result of this tragedy.

    • All passenger planes worldwide should be fitted with a GPS up-link tracker, this should be totally independent of the planes electrics and be impossible for flight crew to deactivate it, it should have its own power supply and be fitted in the nose cone or some part of the aircraft inaccessible to crew and passengers. It's not going to be a huge retro-fit a satellite phone weighs around half a kilo so scale it up and your talking maybe one passengers suitcase weight.

    • Planes should also have continuous CVR and FDR up link to the cloud via satellite to complement the traditional CVR and FDR in the tail. Redesign the "black boxes" to give a longer battery life and considering duplicating them on different parts of the Aircraft, twice the chance of finding them then.

    • A dead mans handle in the flight deck, train drivers have this for years and it serves as a good safety device. If this was not terror related and was something like an explosive decompression, then a trigger on the dead mans handle should disengage the autopilot and trigger it to return to base and auto land itself or else make for the nearest airport. I also believe something similar is used in space craft.

    • Continuous satellite communications from the ground, in the event of no comms with the crew and assuming a hijack or decompression this would allow ground control to remote control the aircraft back onto the ground.

    The airline industry is one of the safest out there and they have shown that they learn from accidents and incidents like this, the continuous uninterruptible GPS tracker is the first and most pressing thing that needs to come out of this but I'd like to see my four recommendations implemented ideally.


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