Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

mickmackey1

Fair enough, but three weeks after impact it's maybe surprising that enough material has stayed together to form a 'debris field'. Anyway we just have to wait and see I suppose.

exiledelbows

interesting read from the CSIRO, who are involved in modelling ocean currents for the search: http://csironewsblog.com/2014/03/28/whats-our-role-in-the-search-for-missing-flight-mh370/

K.Flyer

mickmackey1 wrote: »

So what were then hundreds of objects in the other debris field?

Is it possible that it was stuff from the Japanese tsunami still floating and swirling around in the ocean currents.

Duiske

homerjay2005 wrote: »

new radar suggests that the plane went down further north then they expected.

so they have to start all over again, as they discover the plane is not actually where they thought it was, what a waste of time, resources and unnecessary suffering for the family.

this is simply disgraceful.

Not sure about disgraceful. A few of the biggest problems at the moment are, Trying to pinpoint an area where the plane may have ran out of fuel. When the plane ran out of fuel did it continue gliding straight, drift off to the left or right, or spin into the ocean almost immediately. And then theres an issue which may explain the numerous debris sightings in the area, the Indian Ocean Gyre.

The Indian Ocean Gyre, located in the Indian Ocean, is one of the five major oceanic gyres, large systems of rotating ocean currents, which together form the backbone of the global conveyer belt.

Normally moving clockwise, in the winter the Indian Ocean gyre reverses direction due to the South Asian Monsoon. Like the other gyres, it contains a garbage patch.

You can see from the pic below that the outer edge of the Indian Ocean gyre passes straight through the search area.

homerjay2005

5 planes spotting stuff now, so looks like they have something, but ship not there until tomorrow.

would a helicopter not be able to reach the area quicker than the expected arrival tomorrow, drop a man down to pick up one small object for testing?

brandon_flowers

Longest range Sikorsky is about 700 miles. So unless the search vessels out there have helicopters on board then helicopters are of no use. The search planes take 4 hours to reach the area, 2 hours for searching and 4 hours to return to Perth.

billie1b

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Longest range Sikorsky is about 700 miles. So unless the search vessels out there have helicopters on board then helicopters are of no use. The search planes take 4 hours to reach the area, 2 hours for searching and 4 hours to return to Perth.

Was that not the old search area? They are saying now that the new one is closer, less time to get there and more time for the search, not sure of distances though

wotswattage

One of the objects photographed by a journalist on board one of the RNZAF planes:



At this stage it could be anything, the Chinese ship should be able to reach the area that was spotted by Saturday (very late tonight/early morning sat GMT).

brandon_flowers

billie1b wrote: »

Was that not the old search area? They are saying now that the new one is closer, less time to get there and more time for the search, not sure of distances though

Maybe it marginally increases the search time, but there is no part of the search area within 2500km of inhabited land. So getting there and back will take well over the amount of search time available (for aircraft obviously)

wotswattage

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Maybe it marginally increases the search time, but there is no part of the search area within 2500km of inhabited land. So getting there and back will take well over the amount of search time available (for aircraft obviously)

The new search area is a good bit closer. 1600km west of Perth.

brandon_flowers

wotswattage wrote: »

The new search area is a good bit closer. 1600km west of Perth.

Only just realized that now, I had zoned out from this story a bit. In any case my original point is still valid, helicopters are no use unless they are on board the search vessels.

Slightly off topic but MH flight between London or AMS and Sydney are now dirt cheap.

homerjay2005

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Slightly off topic but MH flight between London or AMS and Sydney are now dirt cheap.

how cheap we talking about!?

brandon_flowers

Saw €950 return LHR-SYD for this time next month. A380 on LHR-KUL.

MuffinsDa

Happyman42 wrote: »

Ah lads/lassies....PM PM!

Why, you have it cheaper? Can I PM too?!

Tenger

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the fact that 3 weeks into an investigation, they still have no idea where the plane is.

to be saying now that the plane flew perhaps faster than they though and that it is not where they are searching is a joke.

why release satellite images every day when they've no idea what they are?

They are releasing any lead they have in light of the media frenzy over the whole situation. They are only releasing images which they think are pertinent to the situation.
And its not as if they are deliberately searching the wrong area just to prolong the families' trauma. The search areas are following the leads they find and then are able to discount are the investigation develops.

Disappointing and difficulty to fathom this incident is....but disgraceful is a bit strong for a situation that is not being controlled by anyone.

homerjay2005

Tenger wrote: »

Disappointing and difficulty to fathom this incident is....but disgraceful is a bit strong for a situation that is not being controlled by anyone.

ah come on, it took them 3 weeks to get the right search area, they have wasted all this time and it could turn out that withing 2 or 3 hours of finding the actual area, they located the plane.

Happyman42

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ah come on, it took them 3 weeks to get the right search area, they have wasted all this time and it could turn out that withing 2 or 3 hours of finding the actual area, they located the plane.

Personally, if they find it in this area, I think it will be fabulous detective work based on what they knew.
Why they only know what they know is another matter entirely and is an industry wide problem to solve.

Tenger

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ah come on, it took them 3 weeks to get the right search area, they have wasted all this time and it could turn out that withing 2 or 3 hours of finding the actual area, they located the plane.

You're not quite grasping that this is a needle in a haystack search......of course there will be time wasted as they continually try to pinpint the correct impact location.

....its not as if they deliberately searched the wrong area or disregarded the hints to look in the Southern Ocean. (I do however feel the Immarsat data should have been focused on earlier than it was) Confirmation of the southern path only came to light after analysing the ping from post-disappearance B777 following the original route. Should they have sat around doing nothing until they got this info?

sillysocks

Tenger wrote: »

You're not quite grasping that this is a needle in a haystack search......of course there will be time wasted as they continually try to pinpint the correct impact location.

Heard some aviation expert on the radio earlier and he said they're not even looking for the needle in the haystack. He said to think of it that they still haven't even found the haystack, and only then can the needle hunt start!

andy_g

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Saw €950 return LHR-SYD for this time next month. A380 on LHR-KUL.

Take it to the travel forum to discuss prices.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Ah lads/lassies....PM PM!

Please dont backseat mod. Report the post instead.

MuffinsDa wrote: »

Why, you have it cheaper? Can I PM too?!

Keep on topic as the warning in post one is still in effect.

fits

At this stage I believe if they find any wreckage at all it will be a miracle. As for black box? never gonna be recovered imo. Which is a shame as it means we will never find out what happened. More so for families than random eejits on the net like me.

robbieVan

Remember that the 30 days on the black box signal is just what is guaranteed, after that it could go on sending out a 'ping' for a few months, as with the air france black box

sully2010

fits wrote: »

At this stage I believe if they find any wreckage at all it will be a miracle. As for black box? never gonna be recovered imo. Which is a shame as it means we will never find out what happened. More so for families than random eejits on the net like me.

It seems that if this was a "deliberate act" as stated, whoever orchestrated it has made it an incredibly difficult task to find it.

tharmor

sully2010 wrote: »

It seems that if this was a "deliberate act" as stated, whoever orchestrated it has made it an incredibly difficult task to find it.

I had said some time back........not finding the flight and keeping everyone mis-informed is what the pilot/hijacker wanted....

In this age of information......no information is the biggest terror !!

amkin25

I find that hard to believe surely knowing that it was hijacked and crashed would cause more terror .

If we dont know it was even hijacked how people be terrorised i cant believe a terrorist out to make a mark like 9/11 thought,

hey if i disappear a plane that would scare people?? how would sure it if we dont even know who done it or why, all of the previous terrorist acts have one thing in common they all want recognition

robbieVan

yea exactly, terrorists want it to be known that it crashed, if it was terror related someone would've claimed it by now

sully2010

I seriously doubt it was terrorists. If it was and (and the aircraft got away for so long undetected) it have been much more spectacular to fly the plane into the petronas towers or something along those lines.

LordSutch

Top ten theories.

1/ Cabin decompression (cause unknown) leading to pilots pasing out, after hitting the auto pilot knob.
2/ Terrorist Bomb.
3/ Fire in the hold.
4/ Well executed & well planned Pilot or Co pilot suicide.
5/ Cyber attack/ remotely controlling the planes fait.
6/ Lithium batteries giving off poisonous fumes?
7/ Hi Jacking that went wrong due to crew + passengers fighting back.
8/ Political protest by the pilot which got out of control.
9/ MH370 collided with a UFO which affected its electrics and its crew.
10/ Structural/electrical failure which rendered the plane unstable (jammed controls).

tharmor

A popular theory on MH370 The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.


The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

amkin25

Amazing you came up with 10 except the most obvious .

I think occams razor applies to this, people coming up with wild theories when the most obvious one is it was shot down,parts cleaned up by perpertrators.
Wether accidently or purposely is up for debate .

I think the theory someone came up with earlier about him planning to hit diego garcia seems the most plausible, would explain the wild changes in altitude as the pilot maybe thought he could evade radar by going low and would help him achieve his target of suiciding it into a
U S military base .

All other theories while possible arent plausible.