Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

Galway K9

dealhunter1985 wrote: »

are you trying to tell me that all those hours I spent watching air crash investigation to brush up my knowledge on the subject have been wasted?!?

Did ye ever watch that air crash investigation of the planes getting directed to a small island airport, and an american airline and klm collide on runway due to confusion on runway exits and heavy fog. god the acting in that was soooo bad

Five Lamps

Having spent a day sick in bed I was reading some of the conspiracy theories surrounding the disappearance of the flight - including the photo and message send from an iPhone tucked up a passengers rear end and the co-ordinates pointing to Diego Garcia. So they are all holed up there in a shed apparently (the passengers that is).

Ignoring the conspiracy theories, the only thing that does stick out about Diego Garcia is that US have considerable electronic monitoring there and I would be surprised if an unexpected UFO didn't register on their systems.

mbur

Five Lamps wrote: »

Having spent a day sick in bed I was reading some of the conspiracy theories surrounding the disappearance of the flight - including the photo and message send from an iPhone tucked up a passengers rear end and the co-ordinates pointing to Diego Garcia. So they are all holed up there in a shed apparently (the passengers that is).

Ignoring the conspiracy theories, the only thing that does stick out about Diego Garcia is that US have considerable electronic monitoring there and I would be surprised if an unexpected UFO didn't register on their systems.

There are a lot of unsatisfactory aspects to this sad story. The question of how much do various authorities know being just one. The aussies are supposed to have some fancy over the horizon radar system but thay are silent on the MH370 issue. Some say the flight was deliberatly flown around Indonesian airspace to avoid detection. The flight trajectory we are allowed to talk about here reinforces that theory. But this only deepens the mystery for this observer.

At least we now can peruse the cargo manifest and seating plan etc thanks to the Malasian Transport Minister.

I have a big issue with the fact that this flying commercial aircraft sent several logins to the monitoring system over a period of six hours, no data was uploaded and this anomily was not noticed until after the event. Indeed inmarsat et al are already in trouble over the delay in providing the data.

salthilljourno

Pity all this action is taking place at the far side of the world , too far for me to travel for good photo opportunities .


Its been ages since we have had a crash here ,

andy_g

salthilljourno wrote: »

Pity all this action is taking place at the far side of the world , too far for me to travel for good photo opportunities .


Its been ages since we have had a crash here ,

As your new here i advise you play nice and do not troll.

JONJO THE MISER

Eleven terrorists with links to Al Qaeda have been arrested on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of MH370.

As ive said before but was laughed at on here, this plane has been hijacked and landed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

kippy

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Eleven terrorists with links to Al Qaeda have been arrested on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of MH370.

As ive said before but was laughed at on here, this plane has been hijacked and landed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

It's at the bottom of the sea and that article is nonsense.
Even if you were to believe a shred of it there is nothing in the article to suggest that the plane was landed.

Maudi

kippy wrote: »

It's at the bottom of the sea and that article is nonsense.
Even if you were to believe a shred of it there is nothing in the article to suggest that the plane was landed.

Theres less evidence now to say its at the bottom of the sea though.

sully2010

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Eleven terrorists with links to Al Qaeda have been arrested on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of MH370.

As ive said before but was laughed at on here, this plane has been hijacked and landed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

Jack1985

Was just about to click on the link when I spotted, ''www.dailymail.co.uk'' :pac:

lord lucan

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Eleven terrorists with links to Al Qaeda have been arrested on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of MH370.

As ive said before but was laughed at on here, this plane has been hijacked and landed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

Poster banned from A&A for one week.

seal57

lord lucan wrote: »

Poster banned from A&A for one week.

banned for posting an legitimate article? no wonder why this thread has gone dead the past the 10 days

kippy

Maudi wrote: »

Theres less evidence now to say its at the bottom of the sea though.

How exactly do you figure that?

Evidence to suggest it was landed: Zero
Evidence to suggest it is at the bottom of the sea: A number of private and public bodies analysis of radar and other data, the existence of pings during one search.
Lack of any terrorist threats or data suggesting it had been landed.

weisses

kippy wrote: »

How exactly do you figure that?

Evidence to suggest it was landed: Zero
Evidence to suggest it is at the bottom of the sea: A number of private and public bodies analysis of radar and other data, the existence of pings during one search.
Lack of any terrorist threats or data suggesting it had been landed.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-flight-mh370-11-terrorists-arrested-suspicion-involvement-disappearance-flight-1447185

“The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is still high on the list and international investigators have asked for a comprehensive report on this new terror group.”
- Officer with the Counter Terrorism Division of Malaysian Special Branch

People in the know seem less convinced then you ...

kippy

weisses wrote: »

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-flight-mh370-11-terrorists-arrested-suspicion-involvement-disappearance-flight-1447185




People in the know seem less convinced then you ...

Essentially the list consists of two entries of where the plane is.
Number 1 is crashed and at the bottom of the ocean as suggested by the vast majority of people and groups associated with this or
Number 2 sitting safely in a hanger somewhere suggested by a very very small minority.

Number 2 is high up the list......but its not at all feasible and to suggest there is more evedence supporting number 2 as suggested above is factually incorrect.

weisses

kippy wrote: »

Essentially the list consists of two entries of where the plane is.
Number 1 is crashed and at the bottom of the ocean as suggested by the vast majority of people and groups associated with this or
Number 2 sitting safely in a hanger somewhere suggested by a very very small minority.

Number 2 is high up the list......but its not at all feasible and to suggest there is more evedence supporting number 2 as suggested above is factually incorrect.

Problem is that you cannot rule out either (according to various sources)

The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is now quoted by officials ... two days ago anybody mentioning this was considered a Conspiracy theorist with his tinfoil hat on. (in general)

weisses

Jack1985 wrote: »

Was just about to click on the link when I spotted, ''www.dailymail.co.uk'' :pac:

Luckily for you there are other sources saying the same.

kippy

weisses wrote: »

Problem is that you cannot rule out either (according to various sources)

The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is now quoted by officials ... two days ago anybody mentioning this was considered a Conspiracy theorist with his tinfoil hat on. (in general)

You can say one is more infinetly possible than the other.

weisses

kippy wrote: »

You can say one is more infinetly possible than the other.

You can believe whatever suits you or what you find plausible.

But last time i checked they don't know what happened and they don't know where it is despite the pings so its all speculation at this moment.

mbur

Did anyone read the rest of the article? 2.2 tons of mystery cargo. The terrorist arrests may be a political stroke but this isn't:

A mystery surrounding the cargo being carried by the missing Malaysian Airlines plane emerged on Friday when it was discovered that it had been loaded with items not specified on the manifest.

The aircraft was carrying 4.566 tonnes of mangosteens - an exotic fruit - and a shipment of lithium batteries, which were part of a separate consignment.

The batteries weighed 200kg, but that separate consignment totalled 2.453 tonnes. So what was being carried to make up the 2.253 tonnes in that separate shipment?

The mystery was sparked by a spokesman for the company that shipped the batteries telling a Malaysian newspaper that he would not reveal what the remaining 2.253 tonnes of cargo were.

'I cannot reveal more because of the ongoing investigations,' the spokesman told The Star newspaper. 'We have been told by our legal advisers not to talk about it.'

The spokesman said he could not even name the company which manufactured the batteries, insisting that the matter was confidential.

Questioned about the fact that a mystery cargo was not stated in the manifest, Malaysian Airlines told the paper that the rest of the consignment was 'radio accessories and chargers.'

A statement from the airline said that the freight not specified had been 'declared as radio accessories', despite there being no reference to this in the manifest released publicly last Thursday.

What the manifest does say is that NNR Global shipped 133 pieces of one item weighing 1.99 tonnes and 67 pieces of another item weighing 463kg for a total 'consolidated weight' of 2.453 tonnes.

Just how many lithium batteries had been loaded, or their weight, are not specified in the manifest, although Malaysian Airlines boss Ahmad Yahya told a media conference in Kuala Lumpur on March 24 that the batteries weighed a total of 200kg.

What the manifest does say, in respect of the lithium batteries, is that 'the package must be handled with care and that a flammability hazard exists if the package is damaged.

'Special procedures must be followed in the event the package is damaged, to include inspection and repacking if necessary.'

There has been earlier speculation that a fire involving the batteries might have been the cause of the aircraft's fate.

According to The Star, shippers NNR Global are located at an air freight forwarding warehouse located less than 100 yards from the Penang International Airport.

'The complex is guarded by the police and only those with passes are allowed entry,' the newspaper said, following its investigation into the unspecified cargo.

A consolidated shipment combines several individual consignments to make up a full container load.

At the port of destination, the consolidated shipment is separated back into individual consignments for delivery to their respective consignees.

The lithium batteries and the other mystery items that are said to be radio parts were addressed to NNR Global Logistics in Beijing, but a company named JHJ International Transportation Co.Ltd of Beijing was to collect the cargo on its behalf.

Among the conspiracy theories that have already emerged following the Boeing 777's disappearance on March 8, is that its fate was linked to 20 of the 239 people on board - they were employees of a semi-conductor manufacturing firm which develops components for hi-tech weapons systems and aircraft navigation.

They were employees of Freescale Semiconductor, a Texas technology firm, working in several manufacturing sites in Kuala Lumpur and Tianjin, China, a fact confirmed by a spokeswoman for the company.

The citizens news site Beforeitsnews, said earlier that it was conceivable that MH370 was 'hiding' with its high-tech electronic warfare weaponry.

'In fact, this type of technology is precisely the expertise of Freescale, that has 20 employees on board the missing flight,' said the website.

However, until a detailed description of the 'radio parts' that have not been itemised in the MH370 manifest has been made available, the conspiracy theories are likely to be given an added thrust.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html#ixzz30lhH9w4j
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Lets hope the official investigation gets to the bottom of this mystery, never mind the amateurs.

angwd

The only consistent thing over the past two months has been misinformation and disinformation.

- Why did it take so long to reveal the disappearance, that it was picked up on military radar and why were they searching in the wrong place?
- Why did it take so long to react to Inmarsat data and was it ever accurate?
- Why did they release incorrect details about the last communication?
- Were mobile phones ever checked, was there any significance to the reports on the co-pilots phone or any data from the phones of the other missing passengers?
- Why did it take so long to release details on the cargo, are the records correct?
- Early reports on the "skilled navigation" & "radar dodging" don't now seem to be accurate. Speculation on pilot suicide/involvement was based on this premise.
- The source of the "ocean pings" was never found, what caused them?
- Why were flights cancelled into and out of Diego Garcia and what was behind reports of low flying craft around the Maldives?
- Why has there been no debris spotted?
- Why didn't the ELT's activate?
- When is the last time a passenger plane vanished into thin air? Looking at things in perspective, sorry, I can't post links but google wiki, list of aerial disappearances
- Why didn’t Australia pick anything up on Radar?

Almost 2 months after the disappearance my heart goes out to the relatives and friends of MH370 passengers. It's hard to be critical of anyone who has "jumped to a different conclusion" and I'd wonder if the media will ever be taken to task for their airing of so many curveballs from "well placed sources". Will there ever be any sanctions against Malaysia for such poor handling of the crisis or will it emerge in time that the truth was withheld from the public for a good & valid reason? I’m a realist but can’t blame anyone for hoping for the latter.

kippy

weisses wrote: »

You can believe whatever suits you or what you find plausible.

But last time i checked they don't know what happened and they don't know where it is despite the pings so its all speculation at this moment.

The point made above suggested there was more evedence pointing to the plane landing somewhere than at the bottom of the sea. This is not true.

Chicken1

andy_g wrote: »

As your new here i advise you play nice and do not troll.

Block the Troll

Savage93

andy_g wrote: »

As your new here i advise you play nice and do not troll.

only new in this incarnation , banned as Hopperdavy, and going the same way as before, sooner the better

Five Lamps

angwd wrote: »

- Why were flights cancelled into and out of Diego Garcia and what was behind reports of low flying craft around the Maldives?

Diego Garcia is a military airfield, there is no schedule to cancel flights from. For the conspiracy theorists, give the scale of US personnel on the island of all ranks it would only be matter of time before somebody started talking about their extra plane and 'guests'

The Maldives has two international airports. It would not be unusual to have low flying planes about.

andy_g

Chicken1 wrote: »

Block the Troll

Savage93 wrote: »

only new in this incarnation , banned as Hopperdavy, and going the same way as before, sooner the better

Guys dont question mod dealings you know the rules, thanks.

lord lucan

seal57 wrote: »

banned for posting an legitimate article? no wonder why this thread has gone dead the past the 10 days

It's gone dead because there's nothing new to report and the thread isn't full of drivel.

BlackEdelweiss

On the plus side of all this, it is $700 cheaper to fly to new Zealand with malasiyan airlines!

andy_g

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

On the plus side of all this, it is $700 cheaper to fly to new Zealand with malasiyan airlines!

Comments like this when people are missing is not on. And against the rules.

Infracted.

Keep it civil.

warren44

andy_g wrote: »

Comments like this when people are missing is not on. And against the rules.

Infracted.

Keep it civil.

Dude are you F-cking serious? The guy made humorous comment and you are responding in bold font acting like a dick. Get over yourself, stop letting your little moderator status from going to your head by the way I hope you enjoy your little hard on that you will sprout when you ban me for speaking out against your shallowness. You give people a small amount of control and they stretch it out as much as they can.