Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

Jack1985

Just thinking, a lot of people are dismissing the bomb theory due to nobody claiming it, however one would assume they would only ''claim'' it when they see their target destroyed or tbh whatever other reason those freaks need to claim. It's nearly sunset in Malaysia now, its more than likely looking like we are heading into what will be day 4 with absolutely nothing! You can imagine how painstaking this is for the investigators, never mind the families alone.

Iwannahurl

Malaysian authorities have described this incident as an "unprecedented aviation mystery".

I haven't read every one of the 842 posts in this thread so far (for obvious reasons) so I don't know whether the above claim might have been discussed.

What are the unique characteristics of this hull loss?

homerjay2005

i dont think it was hijacked, i think it exploded in mid air and this will be down to a maintenance issue.

it just doesnt bare the hallmark of a hijack.

SpaceTime

It's a very big search area though.

As for the terrorism claims, I wouldn't rule it out but I wouldn't jump to conclusions either.

Chinese media is also highly controlled so it's not like getting information here or in the US.

Even the internet in China is heavily filtered.

Jack1985

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Malaysian authorities have described this incident as an "unprecedented aviation mystery".

I haven't read every one of the 842 posts in this thread so far (for obvious reasons) so I don't know whether the above claim might have been discussed.

What are the unique characteristics of this hull loss?

So far all I know is;

It departed 16:41 GMT and was off radar at 17:22 GMT - With the last information before it disappearing of being just past the waypoint IGARI and its altitude being 35,000ft, speed 472kts. There were passengers with two stolen passports onboard, two more being investigated.

There are no real unique characteristics as we have no factual information yet to understand even if it is a hull loss even though we presume it is.

Interesting theory though, the Malaysians are saying it might have made a possible turn-back I reject that (In my opinion!),

Do people not remember flightradar saying the altitude dropped off and the heading change almost 80 degrees before it went offline? Suggesting to me she was breaking up coupled with no alarming ACARS prior to it disappearing.

irishmover

This is the Nat Geo episode of Aircrash Investigation I watched earlier.

I suggest anyone interested in this to give it a watch if you get a chance (45 mins long). This has made me think that something similar could have occurred, however it would have had to happen in half the time than the China Airlines crash in 2002.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omOljI6ZecE

homerjay2005

its shocking that the two search areas are so far apart, it looks like the centers of them are about 400 miles away and are separated by land.

how on earth do they not know where the plane was before it lost contact?

Blue Punto

Looks like the media have now stopped calling it a structural failure as I commented about before

They are going down the route of terrorism/Hijacking now

Jack1985

how on earth do they not know where the plane was before it lost contact?

They do know its last known position but, if crashed at sea it will drift so it could be anywhere - I think we all underestimate how big of a world we live in, I definately have!

SpaceTime

No radar data for a while and a plane cruising along at 560mph. It'll cover a lot of distance!

SpaceTime

Blue Punto wrote: »

Looks like the media have now stopped calling it a structural failure as I commented about before

They are going down the route of terrorism/Hijacking now

The media likes a good drama!

I'm not saying that they aren't possibly right, but drama sells. Discussions about system failures and radar systems don't.

They're mostly bored with Ukraine's stand off. So this will get huge coverage.

Iwannahurl

One false passport holder identified but not named: http://www.news.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing-desperate-search-for-wreckage-and-clues-two-days-after-it-vanished/story-fndir2ev-1226849847203

Malaysian citizen claims to have seen a bright white light descending at high speed towards the South China Sea about 1.45am on the date flight MH370 went missing: http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-man-claims-possible-sighting-of-airliner-1.505683?cache=03/7.223813/7.276921?key%3DMalaysia/7.293573/7.308059/7.541994

Jimjay

Iwannahurl wrote: »

One false passport holder identified but not named: http://www.news.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing-desperate-search-for-wreckage-and-clues-two-days-after-it-vanished/story-fndir2ev-1226849847203

Malaysian citizen claims to have seen a bright white light descending at high speed towards the South China Sea about 1.45am on the date flight MH370 went missing: http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-man-claims-possible-sighting-of-airliner-1.505683?cache=03/7.223813/7.276921?key%3DMalaysia/7.293573/7.308059/7.541994

it says in that report that 5 passengers checked in then did not board the flight. How usual is that? i can understand that airlines have people not turning up at all but checking in processing your luggage and then not boarding. They are very lucky people.

galwayjohn89

I wonder were they connecting passengers?

Jack1985

Jimjay wrote: »

it says in that report that 5 passengers checked in then did not board the flight. How usual is that? i can understand that airlines have people not turning up at all but checking in processing your luggage and then not boarding. They are very lucky people.

Quite usual from my own background, there baggage was offloaded by law which we are required to do.

Tigerandahalf

A long time now without any concrete evidence. They still haven't answered a few questions it seems. Where was the flight's last known position from the ACARS info and how far it had gone after last radar contact. It still puzzles that the other flight made radio contact some time after last radar sight at which stage they said the plane had turned.
Is it possible for the ELTs to be disintegrated from a midair disintegration or explosion?
And how are these signals then picked up? Can a plane high up pick them up or does it have to be very close to the position to pick up the signal.

kstand

If the plane exploded in mid air then there would be a huge debris field and they would have found something by now.
My hunch is that the plane hit the water in tact. I would lean towards a hijacking gone wrong for whatever reason.

L1011

Jimjay wrote: »

it says in that report that 5 passengers checked in then did not board the flight. How usual is that? i can understand that airlines have people not turning up at all but checking in processing your luggage and then not boarding. They are very lucky people.

I've been on a few narrowbody flights where more than one has been offloaded, so 5 on a widebody wouldn't be out of the question - but it would be rare.

fits

large area of debri seen 60 km south east of vung tao outside search area, but close to planned route.

eatmyshorts

Jimjay wrote: »

it says in that report that 5 passengers checked in then did not board the flight. How usual is that? i can understand that airlines have people not turning up at all but checking in processing your luggage and then not boarding. They are very lucky people.

Not unusual in the slightest. It's amazing how many people disappear between check in and the boarding gate.

Jack1985

but it would be rare.

All I can go on is my own experience but last Tuesday, one of our flights had 8 missing passengers who were checked in although online and none of them had baggage and they are great days!

Where was the flight's last known position from the ACARS info

I don't believe it transmits such data, it is very technical/mechanical information I've been told.

SpaceTime

eatmyshorts wrote: »

Not unusual in the slightest. It's amazing how many people disappear between check in and the boarding gate.

Less unusual when you're talking about higher price tickets with flexibility too or passengers with huge expense accounts.

We tend to think in terms of fights we have to pay for or tightly controlled expense accounting systems.

Jimjay

Mr.S wrote: »

You'd be amazed at how many people loose track of time shopping etc and don't pay attention to announcements!

thanks :-) if thats the case then they must be feeling extremely lucky.

SpaceTime

You also have the % of bewildered types who won't find the gate or will end up asleep or drunk in the terminal too.

I know one guy who was having lunch in LHR T5 while his fight was departing in T3…

He checked in in T3 and went to T5 thinking that's how it worked!?

brandon_flowers

fits wrote: »

large area of debri seen 60 km south east of vung tao outside search area, but close to planned route.

Any source for this? Here's hoping.

Jack1985

SpaceTime wrote: »

You also have the % of bewildered types who won't find the gate or will end up asleep or drunk in the terminal too.

Fridays and Sundays haha and in the Summer nearly most days, its like feeding time at the zoo some days, I think the environment intimidates some people for some reason.

fits

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Any source for this? Here's hoping.

saw it on pprune post 1319 but can't find another source. On phone so can't link. Seems kosher.

SpaceTime

Jack1985 wrote: »

Fridays and Sundays haha and in the Summer nearly most days, its like feeding time at the zoo some days, I think the environment intimidates some people for some reason.

Assuming common sense is 'common' is a BIG mistake!

Thrill

Malaysian official says oil slick found in the sea is not from missing Malaysia Airlines plane - SKY

fits

Jack1985 wrote: »

Fridays and Sundays haha and in the Summer nearly most days, its like feeding time at the zoo some days, I think the environment intimidates some people for some reason.

I missed a flight in January by going to wrong gate. D'oh