Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

Jack1985

sopretty can I Just take you up on something. You asked in this forum for details as has been pointed out about certain systems including ACARS, transponder, electrical failure and more and me and others answered you, so for you to say;

They will occasionally let off a bit of steam about speculation etc., but largely add nothing to the information on the thread.

Really smacks of lack of lack of gratitude, and none of us are here to be worshiped but explaining systems on here is tough going, most people understand and clearly appreciate those posts as they thank users - I really do believe because of this thread you're knowledge in aviation has definitely gone up,

But I'm with a previous poster, we could spend years posting information here for some of you to understand and we wouldn't scratch the surface, and frankly its hard to deal sometimes with people who have very little understanding of certain systems and basic knowledge in aviation, now I'm not saying it's an annoyance but it is tough going especially as what some of us are posting is being dismissed by people who definitely can't pass judgement. It would be really good if there was a qualified thread for this, I think information would flow a lot better and theories would be explored in full and by people who are qualified, now I'll say it again I'm not a pilot on a commercial aircraft (I currently am near completion of my PPL), I definitely am qualified in the sector in which I work and I am willing to help anybody understand something I understand myself, and also because of this thread I have learned a lot. But my point stands, what do people think, a qualified thread on this? I know I may come across as alienating a certain section of posters by doing such a thing but that is not my idea at all, I simply want an informed discussion on what has happened for people who share skills with each other and I can guarantee the debate certainly would improve drastically.

I hope some of you understand my post,
Regards.

wil

billie1b wrote: »

Nose gear collapsed and she ran off the RWY

yes I see that now, new thread, initially when BBC reported it, they ran it on from the MalaysianAir , almost as if connected.

geneva geneva4444

geneva geneva4444 wrote: »

I reckon it's extremely unlikely though. Any impact with another aircraft that would simultaneously knock out the transponder and communications would have sent the aircraft to an abrupt collision with the ocean close to where radar contact was lost. Given that the SAR mission was heavily focused on that area initially, debris would surely have been found by now.

Not to mention that the theory that it was another aircraft that the Malaysian military primary radar picked up is equally hard to imagine. We are talking about a massive impact that would not allow the second aircraft to continue flying. And if somehow it was still flyable, a Mayday would have been forthcoming. The only way it would be still flyable is a wingtip style collision which would not cause the MH370 aircraft to lose it's transponder capabilities.
It just doesn't add up in my opinion.

But wouldnt some other Airline have reported missing or damaged aircraft by now??

never mind, saw an above post

2 stroke

sopretty wrote: »

But sure there is no other reported missing plane?

No but someone flying without transponder might not have filed a flight plan. Possibilities could include military drones, spyaircraft, private jets involved in criminal activity. (Very off topic, but I remember trawlers being towed backwards by submarines in the Irish sea, was denied until a trawler produced a submarine part from their net.)

sparkle109

I've been following this thread from the first night the story broke. This thread is getting quite hard to follow (my own fault for not reading correctly I know!) but also with all the unsubstantiated rumours and hypotheticals. At present, what exactly is the confirmed story? Are Malaysia airlines denying the plane flew for the 4 hours as leaked by rolls Royce? And if so, have the us issued any response to this? Apologies if I'm asking repeated questions!

sopretty

Jack, my post was in no way directed towards you, as you have been the one person who has patiently tried to explain stuff to some of us. In fact, I was quite annoyed today to see the hen pecking at you earlier.

My post is actually directed towards the silent (presumably) pilots or something, who thank each other whenever a post is made suggesting that mere mortals should not be allowed to post in this forum.

That said, if you guys/girls/ladies/gents wish to discuss the lack of information privately, then I'm sure nobody would be offended.

CaliforniaDream

sopretty wrote: »

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No, nor do I care to retain such information into the future. Certainly, I like when posters explain technical stuff, but most of it goes over my head. I am not technically minded, I shut off when I start seeing unexplained abbreviations and random figures in a post. The arrogance displayed by some posters also makes my eyes glaze over. It's not like I come into this thread to ask where I might get my cat neutered in Phibsboro. I'm interested in the topic, and I don't like being consistently condescended to.

In fairness, you're in a forum that is dedicated to a certain field. It's not a 'general information' forum. It's been set up because people have a great interest in aviation and with that, most posters will be a lot more technical than you're used to.
If you want to know about this incident I recommend finding/starting a thread on AH where most posts will leave out the technical aspect.
This will save you from having to 'shut off' and will save the regular posters from feeling like they're wasting their time trying to enlighten people on certain issues.

It's incredibly disrespectful to come in here and tell people they're being condescending and that you don't even read their informative posts. It is a discussion board but certain forums require a different level of discussion and this one doesn't seem to suit you.

I'm not a regular poster here and do not know much about aviation, but I've come here to learn and be informed.
I jump into this forum quite a bit and read the threads. I'm very grateful for the 'Ask a pilot' thread and have many of my questions answered and fears alleviated.

I'd like to apologise to the regular posters who have gotten such flack from people here. I appreciate their knowledge and have been reading and enjoying their input in this thread.

I would understand if none of them wanted to post in this thread again and would almost welcome a new thread where all this bull**** is left out.

wil

geneva geneva4444 wrote: »

I reckon it's extremely unlikely though. Any impact with another aircraft that would simultaneously knock out the transponder and communications would have sent the aircraft to an abrupt collision with the ocean close to where radar contact was lost. Given that the SAR mission was heavily focused on that area initially, debris would surely have been found by now.

Not to mention that the theory that it was another aircraft that the Malaysian military primary radar picked up is equally hard to imagine. We are talking about a massive impact that would not allow the second aircraft to continue flying. And if somehow it was still flyable, a Mayday would have been forthcoming. The only way it would be still flyable is a wingtip style collision which would not cause the MH370 aircraft to lose it's transponder capabilities.
It just doesn't add up in my opinion.

Not entirely incredible, there is obviously quite a bit of activity in that general area.
Have a read of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

Yes, its a huge stretch of the imagination, but a military type incident could explain much of the lack of information, misinformation etc.
A reported blip could be a second nobbled plane which may have also ditched.
And in someones interest that it is never found so that international incident doesn't develop.

geneva geneva4444

For my money, Boards.ie has to be an all inclusive site. Everyone should be allowed contribute and discuss topics.
Especially in a situation like this where such an unusual event is unfolding and changing by the hour.
While undoubtedly a tragic situation, it is a fascinating story and anyone who has been bothered enough by it to read this thread is more than welcome to contribute, regardless of their level of knowledge of aviation.

mickmackey1

CaliforniaDream wrote: »

If you want to know about this incident I recommend finding/starting a thread on AH where most posts will leave out the technical aspect.

To be fair when you search for 'Malaysia' the vast majority of answers direct you to this thread, there doesn't seem to be much happening on AH about it.

geneva geneva4444

wil wrote: »

Not entirely incredible, there is obviously quite a bit of activity in that general area.
Have a read of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

Yes, its a huge stretch of the imagination, but a military type incident could explain much of the lack of information, misinformation etc.
A reported blip could be a second nobbled plane which may have also ditched.
And in someones interest that it is never found so that international incident doesn't develop.

Interesting read. Cheers for the link. But I think my original point still stands. It says that the pilots made distress calls and the transponder was still working. Only the mother of all collisions would have knocked out the transponder and all communication methods. Which would have led to debris being located near the point of lost contact. They would have found such debris by now.

Jack1985

geneva geneva4444 I'm not disputing the fundamentals of the forum at all of course everybody has the right to post, my post was referring to dealing with questions from people who have no aviation background and then dismiss your reply with no prior knowledge in the industry. I simply think an informed discussion would see the debate be a lot more interesting, that is all.

Jack, my post was in no way directed towards you, as you have been the one person who has patiently tried to explain stuff to some of us. In fact, I was quite annoyed today to see the hen pecking at you earlier.

My post is actually directed towards the silent (presumably) pilots or something, who thank each other whenever a post is made suggesting that mere mortals should not be allowed to post in this forum.

That said, if you guys/girls/ladies/gents wish to discuss the lack of information privately, then I'm sure nobody would be offended.

No problem and I'm glad you appreciated my post.

ninebeanrows

I also am erring towards a cover up job.

Somebody knows what happened this plane IMO.

Happyman42

CaliforniaDream wrote: »

In fairness, you're in a forum that is dedicated to a certain field. It's not a 'general information' forum. It's been set up because people have a great interest in aviation and with that, most posters will be a lot more technical than you're used to.
If you want to know about this incident I recommend finding/starting a thread on AH where most posts will leave out the technical aspect.
This will save you from having to 'shut off' and will save the regular posters from feeling like they're wasting their time trying to enlighten people on certain issues.

It's incredibly disrespectful to come in here and tell people they're being condescending and that you don't even read their informative posts. It is a discussion board but certain forums require a different level of discussion and this one doesn't seem to suit you.

I'm not a regular poster here and do not know much about aviation, but I've come here to learn and be informed.
I jump into this forum quite a bit and read the threads. I'm very grateful for the 'Ask a pilot' thread and have many of my questions answered and fears alleviated.

I'd like to apologise to the regular posters who have gotten such flack from people here. I appreciate their knowledge and have been reading and enjoying their input in this thread.

I would understand if none of them wanted to post in this thread again and would almost welcome a new thread where all this bull**** is left out.

Which is exactly correct, but the 'experts' are confounded on this one. It is therefore not a normal thread and the 'experts' need to face up to that. Ignore the bull, but if you believe that you are in a sharing environment, which is what a forum is, then put your knowledge out there...without a price. The 'Ask A Pilot' thread being a case in point.

CaliforniaDream

geneva geneva4444 wrote: »

For my money, Boards.ie has to be an all inclusive site. Everyone should be allowed contribute and discuss topics.
Especially in a situation like this where such an unusual event is unfolding and changing by the hour.
While undoubtedly a tragic situation, it is a fascinating story and anyone who has been bothered enough by it to read this thread is more than welcome to contribute, regardless of their level of knowledge of aviation.

Yes but there are forums for the more general aspect of topics and forums for more in depth discussions.
I just think it's highly disrespectful to enter into a specialised forum and berate the regular posters. And to insult them even further by saying you're not listening to what they're saying.

mickmackey1 wrote: »

To be fair when you search for 'Malaysia' the vast majority of answers direct you to this thread, there doesn't seem to be much happening on AH about it.

I understand that, but that's why I included starting a topic.

andy_g

So I hear theres a Malaysian Airlines flight missing. Carry on.

2 stroke

Has anybody figured out what the objects in the Chinese pictures were? I accept that they are unconnected to MH370, but they were pictures of something, somewhere.

irishmover

Just reading now that two communication systems shut down separately 14 minutes apart.

Which two systems are they talking about?


Probably already discussed but not trawling through pages of bickering to find it!

Thrill

S. Korea mulls sending aircraft for Malaysia jet search

SEOUL, March 14 (Yonhap) -- South Korea is considering dispatching two military aircraft to assist with ongoing international search efforts for the missing Malaysia airplane, a military source said Friday, amid deepening mystery surrounding the jet's fate.


Seoul is reviewing a plan to send the P-3C Orion patrol aircraft and C-130 military transport airplane to find the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that disappeared somewhere over waters between Malaysia and Vietnam last week.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2014/03/14/0200000000AEN20140314001900315.html?input=www.tweeter.com

geneva geneva4444

CaliforniaDream wrote: »

Yes but there are forums for the more general aspect of topics and forums for more in depth discussions.
I just think it's highly disrespectful to enter into a specialised forum and berate the regular posters. And to insult them even further by saying you're not listening to what they're saying.

Ok I've clearly missed the berating posts that ye are referring to. I've only been partially keeping up with the thread. I'll agree that's not right or fair if someone has gone to the trouble of explaining something at another's request. However, I still don't think that there should be a thread for "informed" posters only as was kind of mentioned. Nonetheless, I'll return to subject matter posts only from now on, like I promised myself I would.

BorneTobyWilde

Interesting piece on CNN now

sopretty

geneva geneva4444 wrote: »

Ok I've clearly missed the berating posts that ye are referring to. I've only been partially keeping up with the thread. I'll agree that's not right or fair if someone has gone to the trouble of explaining something at another's request. However, I still don't think that there should be a thread for "informed" posters only as was kind of mentioned. Nonetheless, I'll return to subject matter posts only from now on, like I promised myself I would.

Just to clarify, since I appear to have been misinterpreted once again:

I gloss over the technical stuff for the most part, as it is usually speculation as to potential technical failures or scenarios which I'm not going to understand anyway.


If I ask for further technical information, and I am given a reply, then I read it and try to comprehend it and thank the post (whether I've understood it or not).

I am very grateful for technical information provided. I know my limits. :cool:

I'm not impressed with the arrogance of the 'silent' posters however.

sopretty

Well it appears they are back to some sort of assumption that the plane flew for a further few hours according to reports!

Spanish Eyes

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Interesting piece on CNN now

Would you care to share? With a link maybe.. Thanks.

BorneTobyWilde

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would you care to share? With a link maybe.. Thanks.

They were just discussing the various ways that the plane could communicate without transponders, and about why a pilot would switch off both transponders.
No link. Tv channel

BorneTobyWilde

If black box is indeed at bottom of ocean and emitting it's ping then every whale and dolphin is investigating . They could hear it over 100's of kms . I know military used dolphins in Iraq war to clear huge area's of ocean of landmines .
Is there a way to track sea life, if a certain area of Indian ocean had huge about of whales in one area it could indicate something.


http://mashable.com/2014/02/14/space-satellites-whale-tracking/

BorneTobyWilde

Piers Morgan Live CNN now
Always interesting

sopretty

Well, it appears they are back to square one. I.e. searching 1/3 of the planet.

nbar12

hold on a second, is there a chance that this plane was hijacked and that the plane actually landed and US officials etc know about this!?

2 stroke

nbar12 wrote: »

hold on a second, is there a chance that this plane was hijacked and that the plane actually landed and US officials etc know about this!?

Well if we rule out all the logical possibilities.......