Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

Paully D

I've been away for a few days and can't seem to get on top of the current situation with so many new stories coming out. Can anyone give a brief summary of the last few days events please?

brilou23

Paully D wrote: »

I've been away for a few days and can't seem to get on top of the current situation with so many new stories coming out. Can anyone give a brief summary of the last few days events please?

you will get lots of answers but nobody has a clue what happened or where it is

sopretty

Paully D wrote: »

I've been away for a few days and can't seem to get on top of the current situation with so many new stories coming out. Can anyone give a brief summary of the last few days events please?

I watched a video timeline of the investigation since Day 1 on Sky News' website.
It's not that long, maybe 6 minutes or so, but would get you up to speed fairly quickly!

mikhail

Paully D wrote: »

I've been away for a few days and can't seem to get on top of the current situation with so many new stories coming out. Can anyone give a brief summary of the last few days events please?

They still haven't found it.

bodhi085

If the pilot was involved in a possible hijack of the plane and the authority's have searched his house would his flight simulator at home have a history in that he may have been practising a route scenario and handling of the plane in unusual circumstances? A bit lke the way a computer stores an internet history.

Panda_Turtle

Paully D wrote: »

I've been away for a few days and can't seem to get on top of the current situation with so many new stories coming out. Can anyone give a brief summary of the last few days events please?

Watch sky news at 630 or 830

K.Flyer

I find it hard to believe that with all of todays high tech satellite spying surveillance equipment available to the different nations that they still have come up with NOTHING. If you can look into your own back yard using basic google earth (I know the images are not real time) surely they can turn this equipment around to concentrate on all the plausable areas.

brilou23

bodhi085 wrote: »

If the pilot was involved in a possible hijack of the plane and the authority's have searched his house would his flight simulator at home have a history in that he may have been practising a route scenario and handling of the plane in unusual circumstances? A bit lke the way a computer stores an internet history.

i dont think he is the one he just seems to love his job

sopretty

bodhi085 wrote: »

If the pilot was involved in a possible hijack of the plane and the authority's have searched his house would his flight simulator at home have a history in that he may have been practising a route scenario and handling of the plane in unusual circumstances? A bit lke the way a computer stores an internet history.

I'm sure it would. Aside from that, they'll be able to search any computers that he has for more info on him. I suppose they'll figure out then, whether he has recently taken out any insurance policies etc. to rule out certain motives/theories. I'd say they could find a lot of information about him by searching the house to either rule him in or out. I suppose they check phone records for his recent contacts and stuff also.

rizzodun

K.Flyer wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that with all of todays high tech satellite spying surveillance equipment available to the different nations that they still have come up with NOTHING. If you can look into your own back yard using basic google earth (I know the images are not real time) surely they can turn this equipment around to concentrate on all the plausable areas.

You could have the world's most advanced metal detector, it still won't help you find a needle if you don't know where to start looking for the needle in the first place.

The bigger question is why they can't figure out where to start looking. Really is a strange one.

hefferboi

Paully D wrote: »

I've been away for a few days and can't seem to get on top of the current situation with so many new stories coming out. Can anyone give a brief summary of the last few days events please?

Everybody thought the plane had crashed into the Gulf of Thailand at first. Then it came out that the plane had turned around and the searched switched to the Bay of Bengal on the other side of Malaysia. Now the search for a wreckage has stopped and their saying they believe the plane flew for an extra 5 hours and think it was hijacked and is on land somewhere. 2 routes they're now searching are the route to Indonisia and the routh to Kazakstahn.

Edit: I think thats about it really. In my opinion there's a massive cover up going on here. One scenario I think could be possible is that negotiations went bad early on and they're now trying to cover it up.

brilou23

just heard it perfectly explained on googlebox its like trying find a earring in a 200 acre field

Paco Rodriguez

I pressume lots of pilots have flight simulators at home. It's not only a job but it's an interest.

But say it was the pilot, and he practised his diverted route on the simulator....can the simulator store a record of routes used?

Fred Swanson

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theKillerBite

Lessons not learned from AF447

After the problems with locating the Air France plane, concerns were voiced that the black box recorders only have a limited range of just up to ten miles above ground and a limited range underwater, but these have gone unheeded and if the Boeing 777 plane crashes into the Indian Ocean then it is extremely unlikely that it will be found.

The average depth of the Indian Ocean is 3,890m or more than two miles and its deepest point is nearly four miles deep meaning that it is unlikely that the black box can be found in those waters within the 30 day time frame.

A specialist air accident investigator told the Sunday World that these lessons should have been learned. "These lessons have not been learned and that is extraordinary", Ann Fleming said.

She said that since the challenging search for flight recorders in an Air France crash in 2009, there has been an international effort to increase beacon battery life to 90 days but that had not been achieved.

Underwater pings audible to sonar detectors only within a few miles, and the possibility that the recorders may be thousands of feet below the water’s surface, tracking down a black box on an ocean bottom can be a daunting challenge.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/lesson-from-missing-air-france-crash-never-learned

Wanderer2010

I can't understand the motive for the hijacking if that's what has happened in this case? If there were illegal passport holders and wanted to divert the plane away isn't that an extremely complex and complicated event to plan out, from disabling communication systems to controlling terrified passengers not to mention how on earth were they going to get away with it knowing such an event would attract worldwide attention.

If it was suicide bomber terrorists what group did they represent and what point were they making- Malaysia and China aren't the first countries to come to mind when thinking of extremist terrorist actions. Have there ever been terrorist hijackings of planes and ships in this region?

If the pilot was going to commit suicide for some bizzare reason why bring so many people with him and how would he have masterminded the event from cutting off contact to keeping everyone in the dark unless he had help from the crew or co pilot ?

The biggest question is how on earth a plane can drift for hours without being picked up to any significant extent by any radars which would have flagged this plane drifting for hours with no purpose? If nothing else it exposes how limited aviation radar is, surely when air traffic lost contact they straight away asked for nearby radars to monitor for contact. So many mysteries around this event. Sadly I fear the passengers are dead and the plane is on the Indian Ocean but we are still nowhere nearer finding out the why..

SpaceTime

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

If it was suicide bomber terrorists what group did they represent and what point were they making- Malaysia and China aren't the first countries to come to mind when thinking of extremist terrorist actions. Have there ever been terrorist hijackings of planes and ships in this region?

There have been two terrorist attacks in China in the last 6 months, the most recent being on the 1st of March that left 33 people dead in a frenzied knife attack on random passers buy at Kunming railway station.

I'm starting to wonder if someone tried to hijack the aircraft to use it as a 9/11 style attack in Beijing then maybe the crew refused to cooperate and were killed or, were killed in a struggle leaving perhaps an amateur terrorist pilot at the controls who flew off course and crashed in some odd place.

It's possible someone had some knowledge of how to fly a 777 but not enough to actually get it to a destination and had already cut all communication.

It's also possible passengers or cabin crew overpowered and maybe even killed the hijackers and were unable to reestablish communication with the ground as perhaps circuit breakers were pulled or wires were cut somewhere and that the flight continued at low altitude on autopilot until it ran out of fuel.

galwayjohn89

SpaceTime wrote: »

There have been two terrorist attacks in Beijing in the last 6 months, the most recent being on the 1st of March that left 33 people dead in a frenzied knife attack on random passers buy at Kunming railway station.

Kunming isn't in Beijing

SpaceTime

Vuzuggu wrote: »

Kunming isn't in Beijing

I meant to type China not Beijing sorry !

I'm just saying though it's not inconceivable that terrorists were possibly targeting China.

wretcheddomain

How could terrorists possibly gain entry to the cockpit though?

Tzardine

wretcheddomain wrote: »

How could terrorists possibly gain entry to the cockpit though?

Dress as a hot blonde if the previous story is real. Supposedly the pilot has previous for letting visitors into the cockpit.

SpaceTime

There were reports / rumours of the plane also being possibly at very high altitude which to me would indicate that someone amateur was at the controls and may have had some idea what they were doing but maybe not enough to get the communications back online.

It's quite possible someone like a member of cabin crew was at the helm.

hefferboi

SpaceTime wrote: »

I meant to type China not Beijing sorry !

I'm just saying though it's not inconceivable that terrorists were possibly targeting China.

Didn't that group come out straight away and deny any involvement with this though? I think China were threatened with an attack a few days before the plane went missing as well.

stanley1

what if this plane was landed ?

SpaceTime

hefferboi wrote: »

Didn't that group come out straight away and deny any involvement with this though? I think China were threatened with an attack a few days before the plane went missing as well.

Could be a splinter cell or some non-China-based organisation attacking China because they want to split off the Uyghur peoples too.

There's a LOT of complicated politics and history in that NW area of China.

Have a read about Xinjiang province : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

hefferboi

SpaceTime wrote: »

Could be a splinter cell or some non-China-based organisation attacking China because they want to split off the Uyghur peoples too.

There's a LOT of complicated politics and history in that NW area of China.

I wouldn't know much about that tbh. All I will say is whoever did it, if it was a successful hijacking, must have planned it for years and had serious, serious financial backing.

SpaceTime

hefferboi wrote: »

I wouldn't know much about that tbh. All I will say is whoever did it, if it was a successful hijacking, must have planned it for years and had serious, serious financial backing.

It's also possible that the Chinese internal terrorism issues are being picked up and linked to international terrorist organisations that have just that kind of backing and cells all over the place.

The attacks in China could be linked to some kind of escalation of a coordinated campaign.

It's just very suspicious: passengers with false passports, the recent attacks in China, threats and a possible hijacking...

There was another attack too a day or so ago : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26559582

That could be linked or it could just be some crazy copycat stuff.

I hope I'm wrong, but a lot of pieces are starting to fit.

pugsnotdrugs13

just a boat?

wretcheddomain

SpaceTime wrote: »

Could be a splinter cell or some non-China-based organisation attacking China because they want to split off the Uyghur peoples too.

There's a LOT of complicated politics and history in that NW area of China.

Have a read about Xinjiang province : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

The following link highlights the recent surge of terrorism since 2007 as opposed to before this date:

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict#2007.E2.80.93present

pugsnotdrugs13 wrote: »

just a boat?

Looks like a whale tbh...

Stealthirl

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It turns out you can access the jets vital circuit breakers before you need to enter the cockpit . So maybe someone did access them and pull the breakers for the transponders but also more.. lets say the pilots instruments.
It would explain why jet climbed . A pilot with out knowing his altitude would want to keep nose up,and climbed to 45,000 ft unknowingly .
At some point he would realize and dive plane lower, would explain why it dropped.
He would then be up and down and flying erratic without knowing where he was or what his heading was. It would explain the paths this plane took, as they had no purpose.
So the actions would look deliberate, but only because the pilot was simply guessing to where he was heading.

My thought for all there worth
Most modern stuff will have analog type back up's for worst case.
Here's a 777 flight deck with the arrow pointing out the analog compass,i would guess there's some sort of altimeter with the same thought of if all power is totally lost to instruments the PF still knows his direction and altitude.

0893352 by stealthirl, on Flickr

What if as you say someone with knowledge got into the service bay and knew what to cut/pull ? Would there be any notifcation on the flight deck of not essential systems being off ?
Then when comms is cut they tell the flight deck that if they do not comply they will pull the beakers for the FMS ect thus forcing a crash.
The pilots comply and after a time a struggle brakes out resulting in both pilots being left unable to fly and the hijacker/s being contained.
At this point someone with some experance or under guidance by one of the pilots is able to enter way-points into the FMS but not to land or establish comms ?

Lots of wild speculation on my part but with no sightings after nearly a week my mind is running wild like alot of others i would say