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Cutting off a Clamp

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    #92
    Wilfork
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Wilfork


    sopretty wrote: »
    What did the clampers do when they came to collect the clamp? Just shrug their heads and toddle off with the broken clamp?

    They threw the clamp in the boot I think


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    #93
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    Wilfork wrote: »
    Parking regulations. Which I think we can all agree improve our quality of life
    :)

    really? Because it seems you don't agree with your own point. :P

    That 50 quid you resent spending to comply with parking regulations outside your house - improves your quality of life and makes you smile does it? :P


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    #94
    Wilfork
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Wilfork


    Paco Rodriguez wrote: »
    You pay €50 to park on the street. Street parking is not designated so he can park in front of your house if he likes.

    I didn't say he can't park in front of my house. I said he can't park in front of my house without a ticket


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    #95
    Wilfork
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Wilfork


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    really? Because it seems you don't agree with your own point. :P

    That 50 quid you resent spending to comply with parking regulations outside your house - improves your quality of life and makes you smile does it? :P

    I don't resent parking regulations. I resent that some people think they should get for free what I am required to pay for


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    #96
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,509 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Am I the only one here who isn't against the OP? I understand private car clampers in apartment complexes etc can be frustrating but parking rules on streets operated by council are fair game and if you don't pay your parking, then you get clamped. Surely its not right to be damaging property because you chose to chance your arm, park for free and get caught? Same way that none of us can complain when we get caught for speeding because as annoying as it is, the speed limit signs are obvious from the outset.


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    #97
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    Wilfork wrote: »
    I don't resent parking regulations. I resent that some people think they should get for free what I am required to pay for

    youre resentful just because he had the initiative to cut off a clamp when you didn't in the same past situations...

    there's a choice - cut it off and maybe get away with it or pay up with a clear conscience

    This guy risked it and succeeded, im sure it didn't take him too long to remove the clamp so it barely impacted on your day. You caused yourself more grief going to the trouble of calling and posting on here. Shouldn't you be getting back to your study minus interruptions? Or is there a bird tweeting outside your window?


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    #98
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Wilfork wrote: »
    I just reported a car owner who was attempting to remove a clamp from his car by cutting and hammering it.

    I'm not normally a busy body, but it just pissed me off for some reason. Partly because it was parked outside my house and the racket was disturbing my study. Partly because the distain and blatant 'fúck you' to law abiding citizens irritated me. Nobody likes being clamped. I've been clamped. But I took my medicine, paid the fee and moved on with my life.

    What do you think?

    Honest opinion? You're a prize prick. I got clamped once ever and I was seething. It took me an hour but I got it off with the help of a friend (long story). I threw the clamp in the boot, drove off and never heard a thing about it.


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    #99
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Wilfork wrote: »
    If it is illegal, then fair play to them I have no problem with that at all. But surely private clampers are licensed to interfere with people's property?
    doesn't matter, if the council outsource a form of law enforcement to a private company then you have no duty of care to that private company as far as i'm concerned, council jobs and state jobs should be done by those employed by as such

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #100
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Am I the only one here who isn't against the OP?
    No.

    I don't agree with the practice of clamping or with the extortionate release fees, but when people are aware that it is enforced, they can avoid it. There's no point in them pretending they have been a victim of injustice. Or in pretending that they're not doing anything wrong when damaging a clamp. Why give the woefully greedy clamping companies the satisfaction of parking in a space where they can nab you?

    And if a person is clamped because of not paying the management company fee then they are definitely not in a position to act the victim.

    It's bizarre the way people think there's nothing wrong with people parking where they shouldn't.


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    #101
    Specialun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Specialun


    What I dont get is this

    I got clamped but when it came to paying I had to pay by card because the clamper was not permitted to take cash..but yet when i pay by card i got charged an extra fiver


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    #102
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Wilfork wrote: »
    You think I'm spoofing? You think I made up a story just for the craic do you? God, that is ridiculous. What exactly don't you believe?

    Yeah Dublin Street Parking Services are the agent of Dublin City Council. Whats the problem with that?
    there a private company doing a job that council staff should be doing and taking a percentage of the revenue which all should be going to the council

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #103
    Wilfork
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Wilfork


    end of the road wrote: »
    there a private company doing a job that council staff should be doing and taking a percentage of the revenue which all should be going to the council

    If the council are permitted in the relevant legislation or regulations to licence others to do the job then I don't understand what your problem with that might be


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    #104
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Wilfork wrote: »
    €50 more than this person was prepared to spend

    He probably did spend that, on the removal tools.


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    #105
    oceanman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭oceanman


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Am I the only one here who isn't against the OP?
    no...there must be about three or four of you now!!


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    #106
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    No.

    I don't agree with the practice of clamping or with the extortionate release fees, but when people are aware that it is enforced, they can avoid it. There's no point in them pretending they have been a victim of injustice. Or in pretending that they're not doing anything wrong when damaging a clamp. Why give the woefully greedy clamping companies the satisfaction of parking in a space where they can nab you?

    And if a person is clamped because of not paying the management company fee then they are definitely not in a position to act the victim.

    It's bizarre the way people think there's nothing wrong with people parking where they shouldn't.
    they can if the management company enters their property, management companies shouldn't be able to use clamping anyway to get the management fee, use the courts or one of the members of the company turn up at their door every day until they pay up

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #107
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    end of the road wrote: »
    and? so what? stinks of "i have to do this so nobody else can get around it even though really it doesn't effect me or its none of my business what they do"
    But I'm not so sure what's wrong with that. Some people feel they don't have to pay their bills; it's perfectly legit. to point out that most people pay their bills and don't have a sense of entitlement that they don't have to.


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    #108
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Wilfork wrote: »
    If the council are permitted in the relevant legislation or regulations to licence others to do the job then I don't understand what your problem with that might be
    because their taking a percentage of the revenue which all should be going to the council, and the job should be done by council staff, council services should only be able to be done by council staff by law unless their is a service which requires certain expertese not availible in the councils pool of staff, clamping is something that doesn't require such expertese.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #109
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    end of the road wrote: »
    or cut off the clamp if its owned by a private company, frankly only the council and employed council staff should be able to clamp if its to happen, its a form of law enforcement after all so should be controled by the state

    So the state should enforce the rules in private car parks? Or should people that own car parks be powerless if people using them just decide they don't want to bother paying?
    end of the road wrote: »
    they can if the management company enters their property, management companies shouldn't be able to use clamping anyway to get the management fee, use the courts or one of the members of the company turn up at their door every day until they pay up

    How much extra money should they spend chasing the people (and thus pushing fees up for everyone else)

    Clamping is cheap and effective. The government should be regulate it like the security industry and licence private firms.

    end of the road wrote: »
    because their taking a percentage of the revenue which all should be going to the council, and the job should be done by council staff, council services should only be able to be done by council staff by law unless their is a service which requires certain expertese not availible in the councils pool of staff, clamping is something that doesn't require such expertese.

    Lots of jobs are done by outsourcing in governments. Every department has contractors of some sort doing work.Your just using excuses to single out clamping.


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    #110
    Wilfork
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Wilfork


    end of the road wrote: »
    because their taking a percentage of the revenue which all should be going to the council, and the job should be done by council staff, council services should only be able to be done by council staff by law unless their is a service which requires certain expertese not availible in the councils pool of staff, clamping is something that doesn't require such expertese.

    Where is that stated? Is that just your opinion?


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    #111
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    really? Because it seems you don't agree with your own point. :P

    That 50 quid you resent spending to comply with parking regulations outside your house - improves your quality of life and makes you smile does it? :P

    It probably means he is able to park on his own street rather than pushing his parking on to another street (which knocks on to the next and the next etc) because of hundreds of people ditching their cars and getting buses or walking to wok from his street.


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    #112
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    youre resentful just because he had the initiative to cut off a clamp when you didn't in the same past situations...

    If I go to Tesco and steal my shopping is that using initiative too?


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    #113
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    People should display warning signs in their car windows.

    Something that states, this is a privately owned vehicle and any immobilisation device placed on it may be forcibly removed by the owner. Also stating that you will not take any responsibility for any damage caused to the immobilisation device.

    Laws work both ways.

    Alternatively, immobilise the clamper when he appears to release you. Demand a release fee equal to what you have been charged.


    Just because they're in the 'clamping business' does not give them any more sway. If you can't call the guards when your clamped, why should they?


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    #114
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So the state should enforce the rules in private car parks? Or should people that own car parks be powerless if people using them just decide they don't want to bother paying?
    the state should do it, as its a form of law enforcement
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    How much extra money should they spend chasing the people (and thus pushing fees up for everyone else)
    sending one of the members of the management company around every day until they pay up wouldn't cost anything
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Clamping is cheap and effective.
    obviously it isn't effective as people can just remove them, also clamping causes more disruption and has the vehicle in the place where it shouldn't be for longer, more traffic wardans and higher fines that would go fully to the council would be much better.
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The government should be regulate it like the security industry and licence private firms.
    no they shouldn't, private firms have no place in law enforcement, something which the security industry isn't, so such firms can be licenced for that industry
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Lots of jobs are done by outsourcing in governments. Every department has contractors of some sort doing work.
    work that requires certain expertese not had by those departments, as clamping doesn't require such expertese then the state can and should be doing it as they will get all the money.
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Your just using excuses to single out clamping.
    the discussion is about clamping in fairness, if you want to talk about other "services" like this you can start another thread and we'l discuss it

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #115
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Something that states, this is a privately owned vehicle and any immobilisation device placed on it may be forcibly removed by the owner. Also stating that you will not take any responsibility for any damage caused to the immobilisation device.

    So the owners of the car parks should heed those signs on the cars of people breaking the rules they set out?


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    #116
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Wilfork wrote: »
    Where is that stated? Is that just your opinion?
    all opinion, i do believe the clamping companies get a percentage of the revenue but maybe they get a flat fea instead? either way its money going to a private firm when it doesn't need to

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #117
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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    #118
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Some clamping vans have camera equipment installed now to catch people removing the clamp/trying to drive away al a Homer Simpson style.
    So be wary.


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    #119
    donegal__road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    Wilfork wrote: »
    I just reported a car owner who was attempting to remove a clamp from his car by cutting and hammering it.

    I'm not normally a busy body, but it just pissed me off for some reason. Partly because it was parked outside my house and the racket was disturbing my study. Partly because the distain and blatant 'fúck you' to law abiding citizens irritated me. Nobody likes being clamped. I've been clamped. But I took my medicine, paid the fee and moved on with my life.

    What do you think?


    here is the issue I have with the clampers.


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    #120
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    end of the road wrote: »
    the state should do it, as its a form of law enforcement

    Your making it prohibitively expensive meaning the owners will have effectively no power to stop people stealing his service he's providing if he has to chase 50 people a day through the courts for a tenner each.

    How long do you reckon you'll be waiting if you rang the Gards to come while you've detain someone for not paying their parking ticket in your carpark?
    end of the road wrote: »
    sending one of the members of the management company around every day until they pay up wouldn't cost anything

    If it doesn't cost them extra it means they have staff sitting around doing nothing so can cut costs by getting rid so. Everything costs money.
    end of the road wrote: »
    obviously it isn't effective as people can just remove them,

    Which is why its should be regulated and fines issued for people that do it. A security gard in a shop is ineffective too if they are not allowed stop you stealing.


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    #121
    Wilfork
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Wilfork


    end of the road wrote: »
    all opinion, i do believe the clamping companies get a percentage of the revenue but maybe they get a flat fea instead? either way its money going to a private firm when it doesn't need to

    Fair enough, you don't agree with private clamping. But disagreeing with the law doesn't mean you are free of your obligation to obey


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