England v Wales

rockbeast

keps wrote: »

It is the hugely damaging and bitter battle raging between the clubs(Regions) and the WRU that is dragging the game over there into a downward spiral - they need to sort it out soon.

I like Wales and wanted them to win today, as an earlier post will show, but they have disappointed me this championship. I used to fear North and Cuthbert - now, not so much...

We'll see in next couple of months what "teams" the WRU can drag back into the rabo12...

keps

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I didn't change anything. You have to take the push... I'm very certain, I've been in enough live scrums that I would hope to know what was happening. This reminds me of a time another poster criticised me for thinking flankers bind onto props. The scrum doctors of boards.ie!

What is a live scrum?

rrpc

Kayless wrote: »

England were good today and as Joe would say were "good value" for the win but again I felt the ref helped them and hindered Wales on quite a few occasions.

I think Wales hindered Wales far more than the ref did. Priestland should have been off at half time (at best) and their inability to do what the ref was telling them to do cost them a yellow card.

rrpc

keps wrote: »

What is a live scrum?

One that's warm and has a heartbeat?

thomond2006

Dislocated shoulder for Halfpenny.

BBDBB

high price for him, but it was a fantastic bit of defence to stop that try

Thomas D

BBDBB wrote: »

high price for him, but it was a fantastic bit of defence to stop that try

Thought the english guy could have turned into him a bit harder and earlier. He had the size to carry himself over.

[Jackass]

keps

[Jackass] wrote: »

Meanwhile Rob Kearney is heading to clean the bathroom:pac:


https://twitter.com/boringkearney

rrpc

While I was watching the game, I couldn't help feeling that if England (Dylan Hartley ) had been as indisciplined in the red zone against us as against Wales, we'd have beaten them well.

How come Wales get all the breaks? :mad:

mollser

I expected Wales to take a beating by more than they actually did today. I think they are going to the same place Ireland were under kidney, with a very stale and stagnant coaching ticket under Gatland. He has far greater players at his disposal than he is getting out of them, the whole is less than the sum of the parts.

Yet, similarly to kidney, everything and everyone else is to blame, from regions to players themselves. As a team they look utterly directionless, absolutely no plan b, and their plan a has been long sussed by every other team, and is well beatable provided the other team is equipped to do so.

For the good of Welsh Rugby they should get rid of Gatland. However I see they've signed him up until 2018, I feel sorry for them. A very talented young team with no direction.

Grandpa Hassan

I think that England will be scrutinising carefully why they didn't win by more. Because it was a thorough thumping by everything but the scoreboard. Wales never looked like they could trouble England. And yet they have such good players. Today reflects really badly on Gatland IMO

WorldRugby99

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

I think that England will be scrutinising carefully why they didn't win by more. Because it was a thorough thumping by everything but the scoreboard. Wales never looked like they could trouble England. And yet they have such good players. Today reflects really badly on Gatland IMO

Silly indiscipline by england kept wales in the game and when you have a gk like halfpenny you have to be better with giving away the pens.
Players like roberts and halfpenny are capable of so much more but halfpenny is told to just kick it every time rather than counterattack and roberts to just bosh.Gatland needs to let them play,take risks.they also have a massive problem at halfback where phillips is past it and webb not good enough and no top class 10.

keps

WorldRugby99 wrote: »

Silly indiscipline by england kept wales in the game and when you have a gk like halfpenny you have to be better with giving away the pens.
Players like roberts and halfpenny are capable of so much more but halfpenny is told to just kick it every time rather than counterattack and roberts to just bosh.Gatland needs to let them play,take risks.they also have a massive problem at halfback where phillips is past it and webb not good enough and no top class 10.

Amazing how fortunes change. Gatland was being hailed as the 2017 Lions' coach by many in late 2013- but now he would be down the pecking order.

WorldRugby99

keps wrote: »

Amazing how fortunes change. Gatland was being hailed as the 2017 Lions' coach by many in late 2013- but now he would be down the pecking order.

things in sport can change quickly- Man UTD won league last year-this year nowhere.
Players wane,stagnate,players improve,new players come through.coaches learn. who knew much about englands luther burrell at the start of the season?come from nowhere seemingly.
Wales may come back-i certainly wouldnt write them off but this hasnt been their season and certainly a lions team 2014 would look somewhat different to lions 2013,both coaches and players.

aimee1

Halfpenny season over, dislocated shoulder

just watched the game on RTE Player. Wales were sh1te and only dirty dylan kept them in the game at all. Plan a-z is roberts on the crash ball

aimee1

WorldRugby99 wrote: »

Wales may come back-i certainly wouldnt write them off but this hasnt been their season

France and Italy gifted early tries/points to wales. Would be a whole lot worse for them if they werent gifted easy points in those games. I think everyone knows what to expect from them now and they dont deviate from it.

Christy42

aimee1 wrote: »

France and Italy gifted early tries/points to wales. Would be a whole lot worse for them if they werent gifted easy points in those games. I think everyone knows what to expect from them now and they dont deviate from it.

France have also just been terrible generally. They blitzed England for a few tries at the start of that match, aside from that they only won that match because of England's complete inability to put away teams. England deserved to win the France match.

On the bright side I don't see this England team hammering Italy by 50+ points. They haven't been ruthless in attack. They only have as many tries as France and one more than Italy. Think of how little time those teams have spent in the last 20 in comparison to England.

England have had moves break down repeatedly because passes have gone to ground, slowing the move down. Their first try today was well taken but you can't imagine them being gifted that opportunity too often. The second again was a good kick and well spotted but terrible defense. I am sure that they are working on these things and will be the complete deal next year but for next week, if we beat France, we win the six nations.

I love that the BBC decided they would focus on Ireland's record in Paris as opposed to the form of the two teams to make it sound like England are favourites for the crown.

irishbucsfan

keps wrote: »

What is a live scrum?

A live scrum is one against real opposition. The term distinguishes it from scrummaging against a machine, it's pretty common!

[Jackass]

Wouldn't say Halfpenny would be too gutted, he could do with the rest after the Lions tour and the next game of any significance for him isn't until September 2014 now anyway.

Obviously gutting for a player to get an injury like that, but it might as well be in a season that's over in March anyway.

irishbucsfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

You have to take the hit, that's what it's called.

You are not allowed push early.
That's called an early push

This really is rugby 1.0.1

Simply end of argument.

Just had a chance to read the laws there. Absolutely no mention of this whatsoever. If you get a chance to give them a read, you may just learn something new, which is great. They're pretty much exactly as I said above if you want to save some time.

It was a very clear penalty today. Jenkins' feet were parallel to the touchline, they should be perpendicular. I have no idea why people have a problem with it, it was as clear as day. I understand people may think there was an early shove, but Wales are responsible for forming the scrum correctly and their failure to do that meant the scrum moved away from the mark. And it was a regular thing from them today as well.

CatFromHue

[Jackass] wrote: »

Wouldn't say Halfpenny would be too gutted, he could do with the rest after the Lions tour and the next game of any significance for him isn't until September 2014 now anyway.

Obviously gutting for a player to get an injury like that, but it might as well be in a season that's over in March anyway.

I agree. Cardiff have 6 games left this season but if the new European Cup is 20 teams with 7 from the Rabo then it's the top 6 plus Zebre or Treviso which means Cardiff are done. They're 12pts behind Lanelli and have played a game more than them too.

He now won't get to play the Bok's for a long time, unless they meet in RWC15 which is a possibility. Wales play 3 tests against SA and another one outside the international window in November just to make it interesting!

irishbucsfan

The next big game for any Welsh player is usually an international unfortunately. I guess we'll be seeing lots of Liam Williams over the next few months.

pickarooney

that other Cardiff full back, whose name I forget, could get a chance now maybe?

irishbucsfan

pickarooney wrote: »

that other Cardiff full back, whose name I forget, could get a chance now maybe?

Dan Fish? Maybe, I reckon they would probably want to look at Jordan Williams as well though who is a rising star.

rrpc

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Just had a chance to read the laws there. Absolutely no mention of this whatsoever. If you get a chance to give them a read, you may just learn something new, which is great. They're pretty much exactly as I said above if you want to save some time.

It was a very clear penalty today. Jenkins' feet were parallel to the touchline, they should be perpendicular. I have no idea why people have a problem with it, it was as clear as day. I understand people may think there was an early shove, but Wales are responsible for forming the scrum correctly and their failure to do that meant the scrum moved away from the mark. And it was a regular thing from them today as well.

Never mind the technical aspects (important as they are) but Poite had warned them twice and that should have been enough to change what they were doing. Whatever about us knowing what they were doing wrong, they should have known and adapted accordingly but didn't. It infuriates me to see players ignore the ref's instructions and expect to get away with it, Poite was dead right to give the card.

The only thing that saved Hartley from getting one too was that his third offence was different from his first two.

BoardsMember

rrpc wrote: »

The only thing that saved Hartley from getting one too was that his third offence was different from his first two.

The ref is entitled to show a repeat offender a yellow, whether all the transgressions are for the same offense or not. I think the thing that saved Hartley was that Poite had it on his mind that he was looking to penalise Wales, so it never even occurred to him to show the yellow to Hartley. He should have.

I always hate watching Poite ref games, it's so annoying. I know the commentary mentioned it regarding the scrum, but he seems to be looking at one side more than the other in all aspects of the game. There were lots of occasions where Wales seemed not to get pens when putting pressure in the man on the ground holding onto the ball, one time in second half where North contested comes to mind.

andrewdcs

I havent seen a team kick in open play as aimlessly, as randomly, as often as Wales.... they were dreadful.

Englands kicking wasnt much better tbh, but if you look at Sexton and Murrays out of hand kicking against Wales, it was always well chased, always well judged.

Really dont know what Wales "plan" was. I reckon Scotland will beat them now.

KJY

Is the Hartley penalty being scrutinized over for being a tip tackle or a tackle in the air? As I would've thought if a player jumps into contact like that you couldn't blame the tackler

.ak

Technically it was a tackle in the air. That's it. Wouldn't bother me if it was a yellow or just penalty, depends on the ref.