Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

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michael999999 wrote: »

Ain't going to work like that I'm afraid though is it. Players better than Rooney that ye want to sign are going to say I want more than him!

It's extremely unlikely that we'll be signing players better than Rooney. Even if everything was going swimmingly at the club, signing players better than Rooney would be unlikely.

Rayne Wooney

Any player who comes in and demands to get more or equal to Rooney who has been at the club almost a decade and done so much for the club is probably not a player we'll be looking to sign

spiralism

xtal191 wrote: »

Roll on Sunday!

Dreading it personally. It'll be almost 5 years to the day they last whacked us in OT as well.

Lord TSC

It's not that players will want the same as Rooney. But I think they will want relative to Rooney. So a player who might usually have gotten 100k a year will now look at how badly United need him, and how Rooney got an inflated contract and look to inflate their own. Even if it's only 50% more! it all adds up.

Everyone United will go negotiating with this summer, the power will be in their hands...

Mitch Connor

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

It's not that players will want the same as Rooney. But I think they will want relative to Rooney. So a player who might usually have gotten 100k a year will now look at how badly United need him, and how Rooney got an inflated contract and look to inflate their own. Even if it's only 50% more! it all adds up.

Everyone United will go negotiating with this summer, the power will be in their hands...

Rooney's contract is no more inflated than it was when we signed RVP or Mata though.

Agueroooo

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Any player who comes in and demands to get more or equal to Rooney who has been at the club almost a decade and done so much for the club is probably not a player we'll be looking to sign

Didn't the BBC report that the slight delay in the Rooney deal was to iron out some image rights issues, and a clause stipulation that he is to be the highest paid player at the club.

beno619

Agueroooo wrote: »

Didn't the BBC report that the slight delay in the Rooney deal was to iron out some image rights issues, and a clause stipulation that he is to be the highest paid player at the club.

First I've heard of that, sounds like rubbish tbh, players don't sign for City and quote Yaya Toures reported wages.

Rooneys contract which for what we know was just a 50k pay rise shouldn't mean anything to incoming players.

Crimson King

Think the press came out with a lot of rubbish at the time, showing they knew nowt. Sure I read on one forum that Suarez MUST be at least the highest equal paid player in the league so when Rooney signed his new deal Suarez's wages had to be raised to follow suit. Absolute nonsense and just the press talkng cr*p again tbh.

Mitch Connor

beno619 wrote: »

First I've heard of that, sounds like rubbish tbh, players don't sign for City and quote Yaya Toures reported wages.

Rooneys contract which for what we know was just a 50k pay rise shouldn't mean anything to incoming players.

But it isn't even a 50k pay rise in terms of salary.

His weekly wage at united is the same now as it was at the start of the season. the extra 50k being reported is the value being placed on the new sponsorship deals the United commercial team will gain for Rooney as part of the new agreement (previously Rooneys team would have been responsible for his personal sponsorship deals, now the United commercial team will do this as well - and our commercial team rocks).

keeponhurling

BloodBath wrote: »

This is total bollocks. It's one thing being in the CL, it's another thing having the ability to win it. With the investment made in the summer we will have a team with the capacity to win it.

A player of 23-25 years of age is not going to care about missing CL for 1 season if they can see the team being build is one that could challenge for winning it in 3 years time.

Maybe Moyes isn't the right man for the job but you can bet United will be a far more attractive proposition than most teams out there.

Yes they are going to care about missing out on CL.
They are not going to be picking out a team 7th as potential CL winners down the road, just because they won it in 2008 with a different squad.

Yes money is important, but on balance United will need to outspend their rivals for top players.

Mata, good as he is, was surplus to requirements at Chelsea and more importantly nobody else came in for him.
At the time he signed grabbing 4th place was still a possibility, with RVP and Rooney coming back from injury etc.

Such a pity they made such a mess of last summers window, as well as Moyes ridiculous team selections

Mitch Connor

keeponhurling wrote: »

Yes they are going to care about missing out on CL.
They are not going to be picking out a team 7th as potential CL winners down the road, just because they won it in 2008 with a different squad.

Yes money is important, but on balance United will need to outspend their rivals for top players.

Mata, good as he is, was surplus to requirements at Chelsea and more importantly nobody else came in for him.
At the time he signed grabbing 4th place was still a possibility, with RVP and Rooney coming back from injury etc.

Such a pity they made such a mess of last summers window, as well as Moyes ridiculous team selections

Moutinho, Rodriguez, Falcao - all signed for Monaco without CL football.

Man City signed Yaya Toure, David Silva, Edin Dzecko, Carlos Tevez, Mario Balotelli and Robinho without CL football.

Cantona's Collars

spiralism wrote: »

Dreading it personally. It'll be almost 5 years to the day they last whacked us in OT as well.

I was at that game:(


I know it's goal.com but I wonder what people make of this? http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/03/11/4676017/-

RvP has a trigger clause which lets him speak to other clubs if we finish outside the top 4??

Macca07

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Moutinho, Rodriguez, Falcao - all signed for Monaco without CL football.

Man City signed Yaya Toure, David Silva, Edin Dzecko, Carlos Tevez, Mario Balotelli and Robinho without CL football.

A team that only got promoted from Ligue 2 in the summer.

Regarding Kroos, I think that he's holding out for the bigger deal from Bayern, but I think he could be waiting for it. Bayern have a very good financial plan in place, and won't be taken to the cleaners. But I think they will come to an agreement before the WC. Is Ribery still their highest paid player?

Macca07

zerks wrote: »

I was at that game:(


I know it's goal.com but I wonder what people make of this? http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/03/11/4676017/-

RvP has a trigger clause which lets him speak to other clubs if we finish outside the top 4??

I'd imagine it's a clause in the same bracket as allowing Rooney to pick what players United sign.

Mitch Connor

Macca07 wrote: »

A team that only got promoted from Ligue 2 in the summer.

Regarding Kroos, I think that he's holding out for the bigger deal from Bayern, but I think he could be waiting for it. Bayern have a very good financial plan in place, and won't be taken to the cleaners. But I think they will come to an agreement before the WC. Is Ribery still their highest paid player?

Ribery and Robben matched highest at 165k. United are offering Kroos more than that.

If it is down to money United have a good chance, as I don't think Bayern will break wage structure to pay Kroos the same as their top earners, never mind more. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kroos accept a lower contract at Bayern - remain one of the top players in arguably the best team in the world right now - rather than take the gamble of moving to United (gamble in terms of on the field success).

There is also the very real likelihood that should Kroos actually look to leave in the summer, other big hitting CL sides will come in for him.

I do think United can make big signings this summer, but I do hope we have a large list of targets drawn up because getting our first choices is going to be very difficult. Money and a hard sell on the 'project' at hand will be required, and other clubs can offer similar/more with CL football already.

Cantona's Collars

Macca07 wrote: »

A team that only got promoted from Ligue 2 in the summer.

Regarding Kroos, I think that he's holding out for the bigger deal from Bayern, but I think he could be waiting for it. Bayern have a very good financial plan in place, and won't be taken to the cleaners. But I think they will come to an agreement before the WC. Is Ribery still their highest paid player?

Ribery is on over £200k a week afaik.

Despite all his talk and rocking the boat,Kroos has only missed 2 games this season so his value to the team is apparent.It won't be just a matter of here's some cash,welcome to Manchester.

I'd love to see him at United plus the reports of us lodging a bid for Carvahlo are good signs that we have learned from last Summer's fiasco.
Moyes has said that he wants transfers done early,we could be in for a busy time once the season is over.

Imagine next season with a midfield of Carvahlo & Kroos,no more of this 'forward five yards,back ten yards,sideways then long diagonals" that have plagued our game.

Macca07

What type of midfielder is William Carvalho?

Macca07

Good quiz here from TeamTalk regarding United-Liverpool fixtures.

http://www.teamtalk.com/quiz

I only got 5

Mitch Connor

Macca07 wrote: »

What type of midfielder is William Carvalho?

defensive midfielder.

From what I have read he has great positioning and reading of the game. Good tackler, big solid lad.

not too quick (though some dispute this), picks up more than his share of yellows and passing is not great. from what I gather he won't be instigating and creating wonderful attacks. He stops the opposition, and gives the ball to a team mate - that seems to be his role.

Would be a good addition to the squad based on that, imo. Could be great alongside a player like Kroos (*Swoon*) giving him more freedom to attack, with Carvalho sweeping and covering behind.

v3ttel

Looks like Baron Capital bought nearly 25% of all the United shares available on the NYSE. Not the start of a takeover bid according to Andy Green.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9207412/premier-league-us-firm-baron-capital-buys-manchester-united-shares

BloodBath

keeponhurling wrote: »

Yes they are going to care about missing out on CL.
They are not going to be picking out a team 7th as potential CL winners down the road, just because they won it in 2008 with a different squad.

Yes money is important, but on balance United will need to outspend their rivals for top players.

Mata, good as he is, was surplus to requirements at Chelsea and more importantly nobody else came in for him.
At the time he signed grabbing 4th place was still a possibility, with RVP and Rooney coming back from injury etc.

Such a pity they made such a mess of last summers window, as well as Moyes ridiculous team selections

I think we'll finish fifth, not a big difference but with the aging team and change to management and coaches as well as the improvements to other teams it's not far off what was expected.

I think you underestimate the fact that potential signings will be told what the plan and vision for the club is as well as seeing what talent is there already and what talent is being bought.

Knowing United are building a team for the future who can not only win the league but challenge for the champions league will influence decisions.

Not to mention at least doubling a lot of their wages and guaranteed first team places.

Mitch Connor

v3ttel wrote: »

Looks like Baron Capital bought nearly 25% of all the United shares available on the NYSE. Not the start of a takeover bid according to Andy Green.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9207412/premier-league-us-firm-baron-capital-buys-manchester-united-shares

they only own 2.4 per cent of United, which no voting rights. They would need to buy all the remaining shares on offer, then get the Glazers to sell them another 19.1% to even trigger a take-over offer.

Really is a nothing story imo - just an investment firm thinking they can make a quick buck on the United shares. Wouldn't be surprised to see the United/Nike deal announced soon and then to see Baron Capitol dilute their holding almost immediately, based on the spike in shares price we will likely see once the record Nike deal is official.

Thecon21

I'm looking forward to the game on Sunday, feeling good about it this time. Really hoping we will play similar to last weekend, go on the attack

bucketybuck

Thecon21 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to the game on Sunday, feeling good about it this time. Really hoping we will play similar to last weekend, go on the attack

We should bookmark posts like these for when the team news is announced and Valencia is starting.

Mitch Connor

bucketybuck wrote: »

We should bookmark posts like these for when the team news is announced and Valencia is starting.

United team:

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De Gea
Smalling-Rio--Vidic-Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Giggs-Young

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Rooney-RVP.

you KNOW it.

stesaurus

Mitch Connor wrote: »

United team:

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De Gea
Smalling-Rio--Vidic-Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Giggs-Young

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Rooney-RVP.

you KNOW it.

I feel ill

Thecon21

bucketybuck wrote: »

We should bookmark posts like these for when the team news is announced and Valencia is starting.

That's the thing, cue Val & Clev starting in a 442 and Liverpool bossing the game..

What would the pro Moyes peoples opinions be if United went back to the horrible 442 again this weekend?

Mikeyt086

zerks wrote: »

Ribery is on over £200k a week afaik.

Despite all his talk and rocking the boat,Kroos has only missed 2 games this season so his value to the team is apparent.It won't be just a matter of here's some cash,welcome to Manchester.

I'd love to see him at United plus the reports of us lodging a bid for Carvahlo are good signs that we have learned from last Summer's fiasco.
Moyes has said that he wants transfers done early,we could be in for a busy time once the season is over.

Imagine next season with a midfield of Carvahlo & Kroos,no more of this 'forward five yards,back ten yards,sideways then long diagonals" that have plagued our game.

Kroos is a key player for them, no doubt, but while its due to his quality, its not like the team depend on him.

From a Bayern point of view, Kroos leaving would be bad, but by no means a disaster. With Lewandowski coming in the summer, they will want to work in the Goetze/Lewa connection as much as possible, which would see Mario drop a bit deeper, playing alongside either Thiago or Schweinsteiger and Javi Martinez or Rode. Its frightening the depth they have.

So for Kroos to be apparently demanding being put up with Robben, Ribery, Schweinsteiger and Lahm, Bayern want him to show a lot more both on and off the pitch as a core member of the side. They could well feel like Kroos is asking for too much and let him walk.

adox

Thecon21 wrote: »

That's the thing, cue Val & Clev starting in a 442 and Liverpool bossing the game..

What would the pro Moyes peoples onions be if United went back to the horrible 442 again this weekend?

It would be a right kick in the onions alright.

Thecon21

adox wrote: »

It would be a right kick in the onions alright.

Brilliant

keane2097

Mitch Connor wrote: »

United team:

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De Gea
Smalling-Rio--Vidic-Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Giggs-Young

---

Rooney-RVP.

you KNOW it.

If he does something like that, particularly with the front six, he should be sacked immediately.

He's had a couple of moments where he's had glimmers of picking the right team and getting on track only to make it seem like it was just an accident with subsequent selections. If he still hasn't seen that the way they played last time out is the way he needs to be moving then he's jumped the shark.

Agueroooo

Valencia has always played well against us:o

bangkok

what if he picked that team and utd went on to win 3-0??

keane2097

bangkok wrote: »

what if he picked that team and utd went on to win 3-0??

Wouldn't change my opinion in the slightest.

IamtheWalrus

I feel like saying something 'wrong' and getting a ban. Anyone else ever get them urges?

Cantona's Collars

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I feel like saying something 'wrong' and getting a ban. Anyone else ever get them urges?

Wait 'til Sunday,it'll be easier then.

Whatsisname

I've never dreaded knowing a team line up so much before coming up to Sunday. He just has to play Fellaini and Carrick in the centre with Mata, Rooney, Januzaj/Kagawa behind RVP. None of this 442 **** with Val, Cleverley and Young, I'll be sick.

Cantona's Collars

Agueroooo wrote: »

Valencia has always played well against us:o

It's the other few that are the problem.

My prediction is that Liverpool will do as they've done all season.Play like men possessed for 20 minutes,if they don't score then United will win.Problem is that our defence has a penchant for giving away comedy goals.

Cantona's Collars

It's on!! Hamman on twitter saying that he believes Kroos will be in the EPL next season.(crosses fingers)

brinty

Macca07 wrote: »

Good quiz here from TeamTalk regarding United-Liverpool fixtures.

http://www.teamtalk.com/quiz

I only got 5

I got 6

Agueroooo

zerks wrote: »

It's the other few that are the problem.

My prediction is that Liverpool will do as they've done all season.Play like men possessed for 20 minutes,if they don't score then United will win.Problem is that our defence has a penchant for giving away comedy goals.

at home we have come flying out of the traps but not so much away, but you are right, the longer we dont at least get a few shots on target then the easier it will be for Utd.

but I predict there will be plenty of goals in this one and probably one that will be talked about for years.

both teams have great attackers but pretty rank at the back.

throw in the atmosphere and hopefully both teams have to go for it at some stage then it could be great entertainment.

may the best team win and may the ref stay quiet.

Vic Vinegar

I'd be worried if we played Vida and Ferdinand, which would mean we have an ultra deep defence again because of their aging legs/lack of pace. When we play Smalling/Jones/Evans there instead we can push up higher as they have the speed to retreat in a hurry. As a result we can press higher and put more pressure on teams... which is good, clearly.

v3ttel

Agueroooo wrote: »

may the best team win

Why do you want United to win?

Agueroooo

v3ttel wrote: »

Why do you want United to win?

more got to do with the ref not ruining the game with a stupid red, or controversial decision, and both teams can then go for it.

basically for once I wouldn't mind the ref being a spectator for once.

some refs like to get involved in these marquee games even if they are not required.

Giruilla

Whatsisname wrote: »

I've never dreaded knowing a team line up so much before coming up to Sunday. He just has to play Fellaini and Carrick in the centre with Mata, Rooney, Januzaj/Kagawa behind RVP. None of this 442 **** with Val, Cleverley and Young, I'll be sick.

I've a feeling there's zero chance Moyes will play the 'team that wins games' in both the liverpool and olympiacos games.

v3ttel

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

I'd be worried if we played Vida and Ferdinand, which would mean we have an ultra deep defence again because of their aging legs/lack of pace. When we play Smalling/Jones/Evans there instead we can push up higher as they have the speed to retreat in a hurry. As a result we can press higher and put more pressure on teams... which is good, clearly.

I'd love us to make Jones & Smalling fixtures at CB for the rest of the season. They are the future and will only live up to their potential if they are trusted to play regularly in their best positions.

Young, Valencia, Cleverley, Giggs, Vidic, Rio, should all be phased out immediately as they will either not be playing for us next season, or are simply not good enough. I would include Evra in that, except Buttner really isn't a credible alternative.

tallaghtmick

The only prediction ill make is Sturridge will score do a mad looking celebration and not smile.....

Rayne Wooney

I don't think I could bring myself to watch the game if I see Valencia, Cleverley, Young or Welbeck on the team sheet this weekend

Pool will embarrass us if we line up negativity

keane2097

keane2097 wrote: »

If he does something like that, particularly with the front six, he should be sacked immediately.

He's had a couple of moments where he's had glimmers of picking the right team and getting on track only to make it seem like it was just an accident with subsequent selections. If he still hasn't seen that the way they played last time out is the way he needs to be moving then he's jumped the shark.

I'd agree with this. As much as I've defended him and even his selection against Olympiakos, going back to it with Fellaini back fit and the big 3 available would be the last straw.

Agueroooo

Question:

do you think Moyes will hold anything back for the Olympiakos game?