Stage 2 - Band 2 (601-3100)

Kimiko2012

Hey all,
What are ye feeling? Where do you think this leaves us realistically? Any opinions/views? Im still trying to get my head around the fact I passed but not exactly progressing!
Thanks

bluemachaveli

I just about scraped in but does this not render Band 2 & 3 from the first stage redundant?

kaki

I know, it's hard being left in limbo with no idea of if or when you'll progress. It must be even harder for those in Band 2/3 from Stage 1...

I read somewhere that they roughly interview 4 candidates for every 1 space in Templemore, so I think the chances of us being called are quite high.

Look at it as additional time to improve the fitness levels (my own is shocking!) and practice the ole' report writing I guess.

KERSPLAT!

Band 1 would be the first 600, so 601+ would be band 2 yes? If we're agreed I'll change the title just to try keep things in order

-KERSPLAT!

thekopend

Over the next three years it is possible that the 3100 who have passed stage 2 might not render 900+ candidates so that is where stage 1 band 2 come in

Kimiko2012

bluemachaveli wrote: »

I just about scraped in but does this not render Band 2 & 3 from the first stage redundant?

Yeah I kinda agree. I was also thinking the way stage 1 were split into band 1, 2 & 3, stage 2 have a band 1, what about stage 3? Will they have a band aswell. I have a feeling that they may not amd theyre going to just habe a pass or fail and then start calling out of our band.

Kimiko2012

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Band 1 would be the first 600, so 601+ would be band 2 yes? If we're agreed I'll change the title just to try keep things in order

-KERSPLAT!

Kersplat sorry the email I got said stage 2 band 1, correct if im wrong tho thanks

KERSPLAT!

Kimiko2012 wrote: »

Kersplat sorry the email I got said stage 2 band 1, correct if im wrong tho thanks

I failed and got that as the heading of the e-mail, seems like it was just generic or a mistake but logic would call band 1 1-600 and band 2 601-3,200,

Anyway, it's me being pedantic. There are alot of threads flying around so just trying to keep order

Kimiko2012

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I failed and got that as the heading of the e-mail, seems like it was just generic or a mistake but logic would call band 1 1-600 and band 2 601-3,200,

Anyway, it's me being pedantic. There are alot of threads flying around so just trying to keep order

No worries work away, thanks. Sorry bout that

WilcoOut

People who have passed will be getting a call in the next 3 years

the top 600 will have dropouts, exposed cheats, physically and medically unfit people etc etc

so theres plenty to be looking forward to

your time will come

commiserations to all under 3k

mycro89

bluemachaveli wrote: »

I just about scraped in but does this not render Band 2 & 3 from the first stage redundant?

How would it ?

standtwo

Just spoke with PJS their. We're now the 'reserve' band so as we expected if applicants from the first 600 don't progress the next group will get a shout and so on and so on.

I wouldn't say to call them that's all we've got so far.

I'm 1597th a limitless disappointed but 2000 places better than band one. So keep working on the fitness and keep your heads high we've done really well.

StevieF3

I know we all did well to pass, but still so disappointed! The next stage really sounds like progress towards the end goal of joining the AGS and I'm raging I'm not part of that! Huge congrats to those that are though

Max_ Power

can anyone tell me then where does stage 2 band 1 rank then? But not in the top 600

Kaffy

To say disappointed would be an understatement!
I'm trying to keep positive in that gives me more time to get fit, practice more inductive reasoning as I totally bombed on that one, save some money to help with being a poor student again etc etc....
BUT man this sucks!! I hope they keep us in the loop as to what is happening - the thoughts of another 5 years in panel limbo is making me pull my hair out
I'm going to have a beer and maltesers to drown my sorrows
Well done to everyone who has made it to 1-600 and chin up to all of us from 601-3100!

Malarkey101

Kimiko2012 wrote: »

Kersplat sorry the email I got said stage 2 band 1, correct if im wrong tho thanks

You realise the the title of the email refers to the fact that we were all in band one (after stage 1) and that what we all did whether you passed or failed was stage 2. As in it was an email to all those from band 1 who just completed stage 2 so was just the title of the email.

There doesn't appear to be bands after this just the 600 going through at this point and whoever else is in reserve having reached the passing mark

Is that where there's a bit of confusion or have I the wrong end of the stick.

Kaffy

Malarkey101 wrote: »

You realise the the title of the email refers to the fact that we were all in band one (after stage 1) and that what we all did whether you passed or failed was stage 2. As in it was an email to all those from band 1 who just completed stage 2 so was just the title of the email.

There doesn't appear to be bands after this just the 600 going through at this point and whoever else is in reserve having reached the passing mark

Is that where there's a bit of confusion or have I the wrong end of the stick.

Malarkey - im pretty sure you have it right there

Malarkey101

Kaffy wrote: »

Malarkey - im pretty sure you have it right there

Their emails are good practice for the verbal tests!

stargazer9

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Band 1 would be the first 600, so 601+ would be band 2 yes? If we're agreed I'll change the title just to try keep things in order

-KERSPLAT!

Perhaps, for clarity, we should refer to the people in the top 600 as group 1 and the people in 601-3100 as group 2. I think using the word band again is just going to get messy.
Or maybe even group A and group B?

I'm in neither unfortunately. For what it's worth, I strongly believe they will call on group B (601-3100) to take stage 3. It would be madness to hire 250-300 people out of a pool of 600 when you have so many applicants.

Kaffy

Malarkey101 wrote: »

Their emails are good practice for the verbal tests!

Some of the posts here too im just finished work so my head is melting reading some of them

ShodenMcClane

Kaffy wrote: »

Some of the posts here too im just finished work so my head is melting reading some of them

Yup, the nonsense and speculation is rearing it's ugly head again. I was only gone for three hours!

Thecameraman

I'm in band 2 in stage 1 must be hard for those who failed to be out.

Thecameraman

I'm in band 2 in stage 1 must be hard for those who failed to be out.

WilcoOut

stargazer9 wrote: »

Perhaps, for clarity, we should refer to the people in the top 600 as group 1 and the people in 601-3100 as group 2. I think using the word band again is just going to get messy.
Or maybe even group A and group B?

I'm in neither unfortunately. For what it's worth, I strongly believe they will call on group B (601-3100) to take stage 3. It would be madness to hire 250-300 people out of a pool of 600 when you have so many applicants.

Premier division and conference perhaps?

Too early for jokes?

Ill get my coat

slingerz

just missed out on qualifying this time. hard to take after being in the top 300 after round 1

OscarWhiskey

I believe us in 'group 2' 601 to 3200 or whatever it is, will get called down the line. It makes the most sense. We'll have to look at it as though we are now in batches. First 600 are up now, next number of people then and so on. The way the email to me was phrased portrayed that PAS are being very politically correct, in the sense that they're not promising anything, but are strongly hinting that we'll get called.

I feel bad for those who got into stage two but failed, doesnt make sense to eliminate them and keep the lads in stage 1 bands alive. Absolutly farcical really. They are, going by the exams, more 'successful' candidates. Even though I personally think its unlikely the stage 1 lads will get a look in...

ShodenMcClane

OscarWhiskey wrote: »

I feel bad for those who got into stage two but failed, doesnt make sense to eliminate them and keep the lads in stage 1 bands alive. Absolutly farcical really.

Why? They were tested on different things than they were in the first round. They weren't up to a required standard in skills a Garda requires. Those people in stage one bands will still have to pass stage 2.

thekopend

OscarWhiskey wrote: »

I believe us in 'group 2' 601 to 3200 or whatever it is, will get called down the line. It makes the most sense. We'll have to look at it as though we are now in batches. First 600 are up now, next number of people then and so on. The way the email to me was phrased portrayed that PAS are being very politically correct, in the sense that they're not promising anything, but are strongly hinting that we'll get called.

I feel bad for those who got into stage two but failed, doesnt make sense to eliminate them and keep the lads in stage 1 bands alive. Absolutly farcical really. They are, going by the exams, more 'successful' candidates. Even though I personally think its unlikely the stage 1 lads will get a look in...

We passed stage one and if we get to stage 2 and pass that means we will be more succesfull, there is an expected level in every stage, just because ye did better in one off these stages doesn't mean ye a better! And for your information the email we got was worded exactly the same as the ones who passed stage 2!.

OscarWhiskey

Be realistic; if you passed stage 2 (601 to 3200) you've a chance of getting called, in my opinion. Why in God's name would they call people who've placed worst off than those who've just failed stage 2....makes no sense....and I know alot of people wont like the sound of that; but if I was in stage 1 band 2, with 5000 odd people above me in the pecking order I'd be seriously reconsidering my options. Those bands are merely there for PAS's security...coffee. wake up. smell it.

Those people who are now eliminated from stage 2 are the people I feel sorry for, especially if people, who they initially scored higher than get a crack off the whip..

Leml123

The people in 601-3200 are in the same boat as people in band 2 and 3 from stage 1. We are going to be left hanging. I'm not saying everyone will, the people that will get called forward will be the top 1,500.

Only chance we have is if they announce massive recruitment numbers. 600 people for 300 jobs this year.. they will surely fill them from the first 1, 000. Time to give up and forget AGS. Don't wait around for the call that will more than likely never happen.

n32

I m in the 900's and its very frustrating to be this close but not to have a definite idea of if or when I ll get a shout. The more I look at it , I cant see how they can take 600 people from 2 unsupervised internet tests and fill 300 very important positions from them. Either they are taking a very lazy approach or else they are examining people in batches of 600. PAS should be giving out a lot more information to clarify where they are going with this in the long term instead of leaving a few thousand people in limbo

ShodenMcClane

n32 wrote: »

I m in the 900's and its very frustrating to be this close but not to have a definite idea of if or when I ll get a shout. The more I look at it , I cant see how they can take 600 people from 2 unsupervised internet tests and fill 300 very important positions from them. Either they are taking a very lazy approach or else they are examining people in batches of 600. PAS should be giving out a lot more information to clarify where they are going with this in the long term instead of leaving a few thousand people in limbo

To be fair I don't think they can know the numbers until the have the results to stage three and see how many progress.

n32

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

To be fair I don't think they can know the numbers until the have the results to stage three and see how many progress.

I just think that 600 is way too few to bring through considering the tests were unsupervised up until now

Rothmans

n32 wrote: »

I just think that 600 is way too few to bring through considering the tests were unsupervised up until now

Realistically though, those who got this far wouldn't have cheated.
If you tried to cheat in those time constraints, it wouldn't have ended well for you. They can't afford to supervise thousands of people at a time like the old days. Not ideal, and a lot more stressful for us who have applied, but it cuts costs, and that's all that matters.

ShodenMcClane

n32 wrote: »

I just think that 600 is way too few to bring through considering the tests were unsupervised up until now

Well, if those 600 aren't good enough to fill those 100 places I'm sure they'll call up more to test. Everyone seems to think they are making this up as they go along. These guys have planned this based on numbers percentages and their budget. Without knowing their budget and exactly what AGS are asking them to do I think it's very unfair to be blaming them at all. I'm really at a loss to see what people are complaining about. What other way could they have done this?

StevieF3

Well to be honest one of the lads told me today that his brother did the test for his cousin and he placed in the top 100, slightly frustrating knowing that there are probably more people out there who used similar methods of cheating

ShodenMcClane

StevieF3 wrote: »

Well to be honest one of the lads told me today that his brother did the test for his cousin and he placed in the top 100, slightly frustrating knowing that there are probably more people out there who used similar methods of cheating

That's precisely why they will be running the verbal and inductive again in a supervised environment. I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who thinks that they could have or should have brought 25,000 people to chapter house is living in lala land.

n32

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

That's precisely why they will be running the verbal and inductive again in a supervised environment. I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who thinks that they could have or should have brought 25,000 people to chapter house is living in lala land.

Not 25,000 obviously but surely something along the lines of 2000 could be supervised over a few weeks

KERSPLAT!

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

Well, if those 600 aren't good enough to fill those 100 places I'm sure they'll call up more to test. Everyone seems to think they are making this up as they go along. These guys have planned this based on numbers percentages and their budget. Without knowing their budget and exactly what AGS are asking them to do I think it's very unfair to be blaming them at all. I'm really at a loss to see what people are complaining about. What other way could they have done this?

Completely agree with this. This recruitment drive, I'm sure, has been planned for a while. PAS aren't doing this and that on a whim. People are getting frustrated because of the lack of information, and that's fair enough, but I'd be fairly sure they know what they're doing and doing it as best they can using the resources they have at their disposal

Rothmans

StevieF3 wrote: »

Well to be honest one of the lads told me today that his brother did the test for his cousin and he placed in the top 100, slightly frustrating knowing that there are probably more people out there who used similar methods of cheating

Only fooling himself tbh. Finishing in the top 100 is well in the 99th percentile of all those who applied. If he falls too far away from this, he'll stick out like a sore thumb.

ShodenMcClane

n32 wrote: »

Not 25,000 obviously but surely something along the lines of 2000 could be supervised over a few weeks

I'm sure there will be at least that many tested over the next couple of months, but they don't know how many people will need to be tested yet so they can't get peoples hopes up. Bare in mind, also, that they are only taking in 100 in the next few months with 200 more before the end of the year. These batches of people to be tested may be done at different times too. Bare in mind this is only speculation.

standtwo

There will be a few who have people impersonate them for the test and will be caught out.

All the info for stage 2 said if your scores don't match in the supervised test your out... And good enough for anyone dishonest trying to join.

ShodenMcClane

standtwo wrote: »

There will be a few who have people impersonate them for the test and will be caught out.

All the info for stage 2 said if your scores don't match in the supervised test your out... And good enough for anyone dishonest trying to join.

Yup, my only worry is that I did too well in stage two, I got 100% in one of the test and over 95% in the other and came in the top 35. What if I have just a bad day and can't repeat these fecking scores? Arrg I'm thinking about all this way too much!

Rothmans

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

Yup, my only worry is that I did too well in stage two, I got 100% in one of the test and over 95% in the other and came in the top 35. What if I have just a bad day and can't repeat these fecking scores? Arrg I'm thinking about all this way too much!

Same position as yourself.
But, PAS made sure that they used the same company, and they will be using a test of similar difficulty. This has reassured me tbh, as it will more than likely catch out the cheaters for whom the tests will be a completely new experience. We on the other hand will know exactly what to expect!

standtwo

Exactly lads they will take nerves and stuff into account as my granny would say you can only try your best

Chem Lord

Exactly, I know it's hard not to, given the circumstances but there really is no point worrying and you can only try your best!

StevieF3

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

That's precisely why they will be running the verbal and inductive again in a supervised environment. I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who thinks that they could have or should have brought 25,000 people to chapter house is living in lala land.

Oh don't get me wrong, I realise it would be completely unrealistic to expect them to bring that many people to chapter house! It just left a sour taste in the mouth when I heard about him because I only finished a 100 places off the top 600 and I started feeling sorry for myself! Best of luck in the next round anyway

D Trent

Rothmans wrote: »

Realistically though, those who got this far wouldn't have cheated.
If you tried to cheat in those time constraints, it wouldn't have ended well for you. They can't afford to supervise thousands of people at a time like the old days. Not ideal, and a lot more stressful for us who have applied, but it cuts costs, and that's all that matters.

Just while we're talking about costs, does anyone think after interview AGS will ask applicants to do physical/pct in Templemore before bringing them to Phoenix park for medical?

I would imagine there's more equipment needed for medical and thus higher costs

ShodenMcClane

D Trent wrote: »

Just while we're talking about costs, does anyone think after interview AGS will ask applicants to do physical/pct in Templemore before bringing them to Phoenix park for medical?

I would imagine there's more equipment needed for medical and thus higher costs

What's in phoenix park? Why don't they just do the medical in Templemore?

D Trent

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

What's in phoenix park? Why don't they just do the medical in Templemore?

Garda HQ in Phoenix park where the medical was always done, and easier to get to for majority of applicants

ShodenMcClane

D Trent wrote: »

Garda HQ in Phoenix park where the medical was always done, and easier to get to for majority of applicants

Cheers, that makes sense!