Stage 2 - Band 2 (601-3100)

Br4tPr1nc3

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

Yup, my only worry is that I did too well in stage two, I got 100% in one of the test and over 95% in the other and came in the top 35. What if I have just a bad day and can't repeat these fecking scores? Arrg I'm thinking about all this way too much!

have you checked both of your placings on an average?

say for example you got placed 35 in stage two, that would you in the 0.7 percentile roughly out of the 5000 people tested.

my guess would be you came in around the 175th to 425th place out of the 25k people in round 1??(thats if you placed 35th exactly)
possibly a bit higher in ranking.

with your average percentile from both tests you could get a rough estimate of the percentile expected in stage 3.

I dont know what margin they are giving to people to be called out for cheating but if you didnt cheat your percentile should be fairly close to the two previous tests.


stage 1 and 2 for me were a 2 percent difference. and I went from place 4200 roughly to 735 in stage 2

ShodenMcClane

No, that's not my exact placing, I just want to be vague so as not to giveaway my identity to any P. I also did a LOT better in stage 2 than stage 1. I was only in the early 3,000s in stage 1. To be fair though, I was in Oz for stage 1 and didn't get any practice done or give it any forethought beforehand.

StevieF3

Br4tPr1nc3 wrote: »

have you checked both of your placings on an average?

say for example you got placed 35 in stage two, that would you in the 0.7 percentile roughly out of the 5000 people tested.

my guess would be you came in around the 175th to 425th place out of the 25k people in round 1??(thats if you placed 35th exactly)
possibly a bit higher in ranking.

with your average percentile from both tests you could get a rough estimate of the percentile expected in stage 3.

I dont know what margin they are giving to people to be called out for cheating but if you didnt cheat your percentile should be fairly close to the two previous tests.


stage 1 and 2 for me were a 2 percent difference. and I went from place 4200 roughly to 735 in stage 2

I don't think getting the percentile would be of much use though!? The demographic of people was different in stage two as it was all people who had scored well in stage 1!? Just my opinion, could be wrong

Br4tPr1nc3

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

No, that's not my exact placing, I just want to be vague so as not to giveaway my identity to any P. I also did a LOT better in stage 2 than stage 1. I was only in the early 3,000s in stage 1. To be fair though, I was in Oz for stage 1 and didn't get any practice done or give it any forethought beforehand.

calculating for place 3100 its rougly 10 or 11 percent difference.

Br4tPr1nc3

StevieF3 wrote: »

I don't think getting the percentile would be of much use though!? The demographic of people was different in stage two as it was all people who had scored well in stage 1!? Just my opinion, could be wrong

yeah your probably right!
im trying to think of a method they would use to determine what they would consider a cheater, or what information used to base the margin off of.

my initial thoughts were based on a percentage on my place from a group of people, which gave a small difference in percentage.

after comparing both my test scores the difference as a percentage there was only a 3% difference in overall score.


I dont know man! im sure they will somewhat explain eventually what they used.

ana2676

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

Well, if those 600 aren't good enough to fill those 100 places I'm sure they'll call up more to test. Everyone seems to think they are making this up as they go along. These guys have planned this based on numbers percentages and their budget. Without knowing their budget and exactly what AGS are asking them to do I think it's very unfair to be blaming them at all. I'm really at a loss to see what people are complaining about. What other way could they have done this?

New here, so don't mind silly questions please why do you said 100? why not be 150 places for summer?

WilcoOut

StevieF3 wrote: »

Well to be honest one of the lads told me today that his brother did the test for his cousin and he placed in the top 100, slightly frustrating knowing that there are probably more people out there who used similar methods of cheating

And you have already contacted PAS and alerted them to this fraud?

Canyon86

StevieF3 wrote: »

Well to be honest one of the lads told me today that his brother did the test for his cousin and he placed in the top 100, slightly frustrating knowing that there are probably more people out there who used similar methods of cheating

Ya thats annoying now alright,

prob many out there at similar,

we can only hope they get found out,

if they cheat in these tests, likely open to do similar further down the line,
no benefit to anybody, themselves or AGS

ShodenMcClane

ana2676 wrote: »

New here, so don't mind silly questions please why do you said 100? why not be 150 places for summer?

I'm sure I read somewhere that they were taking on 3 batches this year; one in July, one in October and one in December. Also, the total number is supposed to be around 300. I'm open to correction though, have you heard it will be 150 in the summer?

sdanseo

Frustrated by Stage 2 - Band 1 around 1,400 mark so still in with a shout in the future but what annoyed me was that I was doing badly in the Verbal practice tests and doing really well in the logical, yet ended up acing the verbal and only scraping through in the logical.

Makes me wonder, both by the fact that I dramatically under-performed in one test and dramatically over-performed in the other. Odd.

ana2676

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

I'm sure I read somewhere that they were taking on 3 batches this year; one in July, one in October and one in December. Also, the total number is supposed to be around 300. I'm open to correction though, have you heard it will be 150 in the summer?

I read in another threat, I think Archer said so... Hearsay )

Devil08

I hope you will report anyone known to have cheated. Anyone who cheated and then told people they cheated are thick and also not suitable for this career.
I also hope the find a lot of people out in next stage. A lot of dishonestly out there and I'm pretty sure there is plenty on this forum who cheated also and are giving themselves a pat on the back.
I finished in top 500 and studied my nuts off for it.
Serious flaws in the campaign however making it so easy for people to exploit it

OscarWhiskey

Going to be very interesting to see how many get dropped off from stage 3. I predict, with a heavy heart that; not a lot will. I'd personally envisage 50 to 60 max.

I think the interview will be the toughest hurdle as the interview panel will be looking at a wider picture, not just logical/verbal scores.

I'm a reserve and am in and around the early 800's. I hope there's a good few reserves within the 600, would help me sleep at night a bit better..

In retrospect we (people in 601 to 3200) get to see what happens the 600 'guinea pigs'..which is an advantage we have. I for one am really interested in this whole process and how PAS and AGS roll out the entire recruitment...

Chem Lord

OscarWhiskey wrote: »

Going to be very interesting to see how many get dropped off from stage 3. I predict, with a heavy heart that; not a lot will. I'd personally envisage 50 to 60 max.

I think the interview will be the toughest hurdle as the interview panel will be looking at a wider picture, not just logical/verbal scores.

I'm a reserve and am in and around the early 800's. I hope there's a good few reserves within the 600, would help me sleep at night a bit better..

In retrospect we (people in 601 to 3200) get to see what happens the 600 'guinea pigs'..which is an advantage we have. I for one am really interested in this whole process and how PAS and AGS roll out the entire recruitment...

I'm 6ft 4" and 16 stone, I'm certainly no 'guinea pig' lol... But you have a point in that you guys will know exactly what to expect once your time come around! Best of luck to everyone.

Devil08

I agree with you. I think PAS are keeping a lot quiet.
I think a lot will be chopped! You can't judge a person by aptitude tests, certainly not their suitability to be a Garda. I've been through the interview before and believe me, they will spot any bull****ters a mile off. With such a large panel in place now, anyone they don't like the look of will be gone. Before they would have given them the benefit of the doubt

ana2676

Kimiko2012 wrote: »

Hey all,
What are ye feeling? Where do you think this leaves us realistically? Any opinions/views? Im still trying to get my head around the fact I passed but not exactly progressing!
Thanks

http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2014-01-15a.1540
Would that help?:)

punchestown

I am sure there are quite a few people who have made it into the top 600 who are not fully set on a career in an garda siochana. Some will be employed already and now one step closer, will weigh up current position with what joining the gardai will entail and will decide they are happy enough where they are, others will have completed the on line tests from abroad and now having made the 600 may not be in a position to sit the exam in dublin and unfortunately there will be also a batch who cheated through the first two stages and will be exposed in the supervised exam so anyone outside the top 600, I would not give up hope of making it to stage 3 before the campaign draws to a close

Scouser

Devil08 wrote: »

I hope you will report anyone known to have cheated.

I would hope so too

D Trent

punchestown wrote: »

I am sure there are quite a few people who have made it into the top 600 who are not fully set on a career in an garda siochana. Some will be employed already and now one step closer, will weigh up current position with what joining the gardai will entail and will decide they are happy enough where they are, others will have completed the on line tests from abroad and now having made the 600 may not be in a position to sit the exam in dublin and unfortunately there will be also a batch who cheated through the first two stages and will be exposed in the supervised exam so anyone outside the top 600, I would not give up hope of making it to stage 3 before the campaign draws to a close

And some will be offered to go Templemore but will defer it for a year or 18 months and will be put to the end of the new panel and will be happy to do that

punchestown

D Trent wrote: »

And some will be offered to go Templemore but will defer it for a year or 18 months and will be put to the end of the new panel and will be happy to do that

Would they be allow defer? I was always under the impression that if you were offered a place in templemore, it was on the understanding that you begin when they request you to begin

Kimiko2012

punchestown wrote: »

Would they be allow defer? I was always under the impression that if you were offered a place in templemore, it was on the understanding that you begin when they request you to begin

I think you can.
Reading on previous campaign posts some did defer for a few months til the next intake to templemore

Raider190

punchestown wrote: »

Would they be allow defer? I was always under the impression that if you were offered a place in templemore, it was on the understanding that you begin when they request you to begin

If you get an offer grab it with both hands .God knows when it might come again

IgniteFitness

What is the chance of the pas releasing more information on our fate? Has anybody tried to get more information from them on this?

Kimiko2012

Not sure which thread to post but does anyone else think stage 3 will be cut much?
None of us expected only 5000 out of 25000 to go through to stage 2 initially.
Also we didnt expect 600 of 5000 only to get through to stage 3.
(I know @ stage 1, 12k plus passed and 3100 did actually pass stage 2)
Realistically where does it leave the 9 odd thousand that passed
I dont want an argument just like to hear other people's opinions as my brain is bloody fried from thinking of diff scenarios.
Finally best of luck to all doing stage 3 from tomorrow

redout

Kimiko2012 wrote: »

Not sure which thread to post but does anyone else think stage 3 will be cut much?
None of us expected only 5000 out of 25000 to go through to stage 2 initially.
Also we didnt expect 600 of 5000 only to get through to stage 3.
(I know @ stage 1, 12k plus passed and 3100 did actually pass stage 2)
Realistically where does it leave the 9 odd thousand that passed
I dont want an argument just like to hear other people's opinions as my brain is bloody fried from thinking of diff scenarios.
Finally best of luck to all doing stage 3 from tomorrow

Only 18,000 of the 25,000 actually completed stage 1 according to the Minister.

http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2014-03-12a.384&s=garda+section%3Awrans

mycro89

Kimiko2012 wrote: »

Not sure which thread to post but does anyone else think stage 3 will be cut much?
None of us expected only 5000 out of 25000 to go through to stage 2 initially.
Also we didnt expect 600 of 5000 only to get through to stage 3.
(I know @ stage 1, 12k plus passed and 3100 did actually pass stage 2)
Realistically where does it leave the 9 odd thousand that passed
I dont want an argument just like to hear other people's opinions as my brain is bloody fried from thinking of diff scenarios.
Finally best of luck to all doing stage 3 from tomorrow

To begin, what is your own personal opinion on it all?

Kimiko2012

mycro89 wrote: »

To begin, what is your own personal opinion on it all?

I dont really know to be honest, im somewhere in the middle of the 601-3100 so it would be a while yet if im to be called....if at all. I still find it hard because I worked so hard and am so disheartened. I have wanted this for 10 + years and I know of someone who got to and is doing stage 3 "for the craic" he doesnt even want to be a garda. How many more have wasted spaces like that. Just unfair. I hope the right candidates get the jobs and hopefully ill get there eventually

StevieF3

Well lads, just wondering are people trying to work on aptitude tests to try get an advantage in the hope that we get called or is there any point?

redout

StevieF3 wrote: »

Well lads, just wondering are people trying to work on aptitude tests to try get an advantage in the hope that we get called or is there any point?

I wasn't holding out hope after the stage 2 results were made available and now that someone mentioned PAS said at the stage 3 assessment this week that they are only taking two batches of 105 (one now and another around October) instead of what was originally mentioned i.e. 250/300 recruits makes it even less so. I wouldn't bother practicing aptitude tests at the moment as it looks less likely that the 601-3,100 band will be delved into as quickly as some had hoped. Looks more likely that they won't be called until around this time next year in my opinion.

WilcoOut

StevieF3 wrote: »

Well lads, just wondering are people trying to work on aptitude tests to try get an advantage in the hope that we get called or is there any point?

PAS said that the top 600 will be making up atleast two intakes this year and that 601 to 1200 will most def be brought into stage 3 after

mycro89

WilcoOut wrote: »

PAS said that the top 600 will be making up atleast two intakes this year and that 601 to 1200 will most def be brought into stage 3 after

Will they get the right candidates from 1 to 600!?

D Trent

WilcoOut wrote: »

PAS said that the top 600 will be making up atleast two intakes this year and that 601 to 1200 will most def be brought into stage 3 after

When was that said?
Thanks

StevieF3

I suppose ye are right! Thanks anyway lads, they should have just let 700 odd in, haha

Scouser

mycro89 wrote: »

Will they get the right candidates from 1 to 600!?

they said they are quite confident of that today

D Trent wrote: »

When was that said?
Thanks

this week during my stage 3 - every had the same presentation no?

blake101

mycro89 wrote: »

Will they get the right candidates from 1 to 600!?

I'd be very surprised if they get 300 Guards from the 600. I don't think there is a job advertised anywhere that has a 2 to 1 interview success rate. Previous campaigns have been 5/6 to 1. Also, anyone that thinks an inductive/verbal reasoning test is indicative of intellect is probably challenged in that area themselves. Personally, I think the process is flawed. The interview is the only holistic method of assessing a candidate. Not sour grapes. Just an opinion.

WilcoOut

blake101 wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if they get 300 Guards from the 600. I don't think there is a job advertised anywhere that has a 2 to 1 interview success rate. Previous campaigns have been 5/6 to 1. Also, anyone that thinks an inductive/verbal reasoning test is indicative of intellect is probably challenged in that area themselves. Personally, I think the process is flawed. The interview is the only holistic method of assessing a candidate. Not sour grapes. Just an opinion.

PSNI recruitment has no interview

they do fine without it

blake101

Actually, their process is even better

"If an applicant passes the Initial Selection Test, they will be given an appointment to attend an Assessment Centre. The Assessment Centre consists of a number of different exercises (written, role plays and a situational interview)."

WilcoOut wrote: »

PSNI recruitment has no interview

they do fine without it

D Trent

What's involved with the situational interview

WilcoOut

blake101 wrote: »

Actually, their process is even better

"If an applicant passes the Initial Selection Test, they will be given an appointment to attend an Assessment Centre. The Assessment Centre consists of a number of different exercises (written, role plays and a situational interview)."

its a very robust process

and fair

grdaHopeful

You do realise the pay is ****e (like €23k)?

KERSPLAT!

grdaHopeful wrote: »

You do realise the pay is ****e (like €23k)?

MOD

There is already a Garda Pay thread which you are already involved in, please use that thread and leave this for discussion of Stage 2-Band 2

-KERSPLAT!

redout

Was already linked in one of the other threads but thought it was worthy of a mention here as reading it seems to allude to the possibility of more recruits being needed than perhaps first thought. Gardai have to apply by 31st May - perhaps the second intake for October could be larger than 105 depending on how many existing Gardai apply for this.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/36000-career-breaks-spark-garda-manpower-fears-30118981.html

Santa Cruz

redout wrote: »

Was already linked in one of the other threads but thought it was worthy of a mention here as reading it seems to allude to the possibility of more recruits being needed than perhaps first thought. Gardai have to apply by 31st May - perhaps the second intake for October could be larger than 105 depending on how many existing Gardai apply for this.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/36000-career-breaks-spark-garda-manpower-fears-30118981.html

I'm not sure if this will mean extra recruitment as the intention is to reduce the pay bill. However it is a worrying development. I can see young Gardaí, many who would have other skills from previous employment, taking career breaks, renting their houses and going off to the States, Australia or the UK and taking up employment there. The Garda Siochana is bad enough with the massive retirement of experience members over the last five years but if those with five to ten years service, who are invariably on the frontline, start leaving it will really damage the service.

slingerz

not much happening for this band is there folks! has anyone outside the top 600 made it on to stage 3 yet?

Kimiko2012

slingerz wrote: »

not much happening for this band is there folks! has anyone outside the top 600 made it on to stage 3 yet?

Heard nothing yet anyway.

andmc

Hang in there lads and ladies! Once the first 600 have been whittled down and the cream put into Templemore around July they'll be straight back for the next 600ish (601-1200) to complete stage 3.

WilcoOut

They will prob take more than 600 since they had so many dropouts and no shows in the top 600

you guys will be getting a call this year no doubt at all in my mind. Maybe even late summer

galalala123

I think it could be sooner rather than later for ye. After all PAS is finished with us after this stage so it would make sense to get the ball rolling with ye so that they dont have to rush as much

Rothmans

WilcoOut wrote: »

They will prob take more than 600 since they had so many dropouts and no shows in the top 600

Really? Has there been a lot of no shows? It would obviously be beneficial for those who have gotten to interview I.e. less competition. But how you could attend stage 3, and then bow out at interview stage has me perplexed

WilcoOut

Rothmans wrote: »

Really? Has there been a lot of no shows? It would obviously be beneficial for those who have gotten to interview I.e. less competition. But how you could attend stage 3, and then bow out at interview stage has me perplexed

People bowed out at stage 3

lots of people sat the tests online while abroad it would seem. When they got the call for stage 3, they didnt travel home.