Manchester Utd vs Liverpool; March 16th; 13:30pm

5live

wonderfullife wrote: »

Unless United have Messi on the bench as a ringer under the name Wellbeck, then this game is toast.

It'll end up 3 or 4 to Liverpool. Simple as.

I still don't think this necessarily underlines Liverpools title credentials though. The City and Chelsea ties will decide that.

All this shows is how awful United are.

I'm by now fully convinced the "Moyes Needs Time" brigade need sectioning under the Mental Health Act.

Are you trying to start a Welbeck is better than Messi debate now the welbeck is better than Sturridge debate is over?

blueser

Demosthenese wrote: »

Bare in mind i am Liverpool ... but the guy is clearly not fitting in with the system and is struggling. Body language is all wrong. Rooney at least seems to be fired up.

... Drop him. Just keep Moyse. got that KEEP HIM

Agreed. We actually need ManYoo to win a couple of games now. Otherwise Moyesey might get sacked. Disaster if that happens!

ShoulderChip

blueser wrote: »

Agreed. We actually need ManYoo to win a couple of games now. Otherwise Moyesey might get sacked. Disaster if that happens!

Ha Ha my thoughts exactly

monkey9

Felexicon wrote: »

So what you're saying is that every time a defender commits to a challenge and doesn't get the ball it's a penalty. Regardless of contact or anything else?

Good lad

Nope, that's not what I said.

Iused2likebusts

couldnt believe how bad utd played today a gutless performance by so many of them as I thought they would really be up for it. They have no style of play or plan under Moyes the total opposite to what liverpool have.Two more defeats olympiakos and city and he may actually get sacked. The City game will be the first time in my life I'll actually be hoping utd win. Strange times.

Felexicon

monkey9 wrote: »

Nope, that's not what I said.

As good as. You said that because Vidic dived in that the penalty was justified despite the fact that he never touched Sturridge.

rossie1977

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

How's this for fence sitting:

I think one of the two teams will cut loose on the day. This isn't going to be close, it's going to be a 3+ winning margin. The rub of it is that either side could be victorious. I also think it highly unlikely that 22 players are left on the pitch at the end. Expect one set of fans to be very happy Sunday night with the other stewing over a couple of refereeing decisions.

niallo27

Felexicon wrote: »

As good as. You said that because Vidic dived in that the penalty was justified despite the fact that he never touched Sturridge.

He did stop Sturridge getting the ball even though there was no contact. Vidic should be no where near that team. His head is gone.

Ordinary man

niallo27 wrote: »

He did stop Sturridge getting the ball even though there was no contact. Vidic should be no where near that team. His head is gone.

Sturridge didn't get the ball because he decided to dive. No matter what idiotic spin you put on it, he decided to tumble with zero contact

Felexicon

niallo27 wrote: »

He did stop Sturridge getting the ball even though there was no contact. Vidic should be no where near that team. His head is gone.

Defender stopping an attackergetting to the ball without touching him is a penalty?

Dig up Diablo, dig up

niallo27

Ordinary man wrote: »

Sturridge didn't get the ball because he decided to dive. No matter what idiotic spin you put on it, he decided to tumble with zero contact

I'll have to see it again but vidic was foolish diving in like that.

niallo27

Felexicon wrote: »

Defender stopping an attackergetting to the ball without touching him is a penalty?

Dig up Diablo, dig up

I never said it should be a pen.

monkey9

Felexicon wrote: »

As good as. You said that because Vidic dived in that the penalty was justified despite the fact that he never touched Sturridge.

Nope, that's not what I said.

Grayditch

Gerrard didn't score this dubious penalty. And yet 0-3, like. So...

Felexicon

monkey9 wrote: »

Nope, that's not what I said.

Do you think it was a pen?

Turtyturd

Grayditch wrote: »

Gerrard didn't score this dubious penalty. And yet 0-3, like. So...

Aye, and 2 peno's were denied, Raphael stayed one the pitch when he should have walked a lot earlier than Vidic did. Swings and Roundabouts, these things even themselves out etc, etc...

Vanolder

You know the gig is up when your fans are definitely trying to show they are the best fans in the world in the face of defeat. The happy losers... I'd be seething personally.

Vanolder

You know the gig is up when your fans are definitely trying to show they are the best fans in the world in the face of defeat. The happy losers... I'd be seething personally.

user2011

:pac::(

Cyrus

Felexicon wrote: »

Do you think it was a pen?

gary neville did

fullstop

NiallSparky wrote: »

Remember this? Typical hypocrisy.

Best post ever.

Fudge You

Cyrus wrote: »

gary neville did

Well he is wrong.

rossie1977

i have to say gary neville was fantastic again on commentary today.

citytillidie

blueser wrote: »

Agreed. We actually need ManYoo to win a couple of games now. Otherwise Moyesey might get sacked. Disaster if that happens!

Tuesday week V Man City would be a wonderful win for him

blueser

citytillidie wrote: »

Tuesday week V Man City would be a wonderful win for him

Harumph!

Gwan the Pool.

Utd very fortunate to only lose by 3. Total domination by Liverpool today.

Moyes brand of football really is terrible, pure static. Crossing everything that's he's there for the long haul.

Cyrus

Fudge You wrote: »

Well he is wrong.

he really wasnt

Felexicon

Cyrus wrote: »

gary neville did

Appeal to authority argument.

Cyrus

Felexicon wrote: »

Appeal to authority argument.

what?

dfx-

Looking at the goals just now, I'm surprised Henderson hasn't been called out for encroaching, especially on the first penalty, something I've seen him do before. He's nearly ahead of Gerrard by the time the ball hits the net.

Dangerous game. If I was a keeper, I'd be suggesting to the ref to watch him.

Felexicon

Cyrus wrote: »

what?

You're only point for it being a penalty was that Neville said it was.
Your argument is essentially that Neville is a pundit and ex pro so he must know everything about football.

googled eyes

dfx- wrote: »

Looking at the goals just now, I'm surprised Henderson hasn't been called out for encroaching, especially on the first penalty, something I've seen him do before. He's nearly ahead of Gerrard by the time the ball hits the net.

Dangerous game. If I was a keeper, I'd be suggesting to the ref to watch him.

Its a fine line but i think he has it down to an art. Hasn't crossed the line before the ball is kicked and there are Utd players ahead of him.

dfx-

He definitely enters the D by the time the ball is kicked, but he does it from a long run up so might be missed by the referee.

Imagine the Fulham penalty being hauled back for encroaching and the retake being missed..

michael999999

dfx- wrote: »

Looking at the goals just now, I'm surprised Henderson hasn't been called out for encroaching, especially on the first penalty, something I've seen him do before. He's nearly ahead of Gerrard by the time the ball hits the net.

Dangerous game. If I was a keeper, I'd be suggesting to the ref to watch him.

Its he's hips, he can't control himself!

CSF

Today just emphasised something for me that I'd already been thinking. Why is Mata largely escaping the criticism that Ozil has been widely receiving from all angles?

tayto lover

dfx- wrote: »

Looking at the goals just now, I'm surprised Henderson hasn't been called out for encroaching, especially on the first penalty, something I've seen him do before. He's nearly ahead of Gerrard by the time the ball hits the net.

Dangerous game. If I was a keeper, I'd be suggesting to the ref to watch him.

Clattenberg made Arteta re-take a penalty last week for encroachment. The prat.

googled eyes

dfx- wrote: »

He definitely enters the D by the time the ball is kicked, but he does it from a long run up so might be missed by the referee.

Imagine the Fulham penalty being hauled back for encroaching and the retake being missed..

I suppose.

I think sometimes ref's are fairly lenient about players being in the D. But if you look at the second goal for example, there are two Utd players in the box at the time the ball is kicked.

But I can see where you're coming from. If I was a keeper I try putting the thought into a ref's head.

googled eyes

tayto lover wrote: »

Clattenberg made Arteta re-take a penalty last week for encroachment. The prat.

Didn't know that

5live

Felexicon wrote: »

You're only point for it being a penalty was that Neville said it was.
Your argument is essentially that Neville is a pundit and ex pro so he must know everything about football.

Well David Moyes is an ex-player and knows nothing about football so that argument is moot.

Rayne Wooney

5live wrote: »

Well David Moyes is an ex-player and knows nothing about football so that argument is moot.

Don't be stupid

gimli2112

CSF wrote: »

Today just emphasised something for me that I'd already been thinking. Why is Mata largely escaping the criticism that Ozil has been widely receiving from all angles?

because he's proved himself over two seasons Ozil meh they could have had Suarez for £40,000,002

would have loved mata at Liverpool I think ya got a great player there

ebbsy

Grayditch wrote: »

I doubt Torres will show up.

He did...in another guise.

ebbsy

CSF wrote: »

Today just emphasised something for me that I'd already been thinking. Why is Mata largely escaping the criticism that Ozil has been widely receiving from all angles?

Because Mata is being deployed by a manager who does not have a bog what's going on.

CSF

ebbsy wrote: »

Because Mata is being deployed by a manager who does not have a bog what's going on.

And Ozil is adjusting to a very different league. They both have semi-legit excuses for not lighting the world up for their new clubs (Ozil has arguably had the greater impact) but one is the target of everything the public/media can throw at them and the other seems to get off without a word of criticism. It's odd.

CSF

gimli2112 wrote: »

because he's proved himself over two seasons Ozil meh they could have had Suarez for £40,000,002

would have loved mata at Liverpool I think ya got a great player there

Id like to think I don't have to educate you on what Ozil has done over the last 2 seasons too.

monkey9

Felexicon wrote: »

Do you think it was a pen?

I don't think it was a penalty, but completely understandable why the ref gave it. Sturridge did what happens for most penalties, he anticipated the contact. Everyone knows players do this. In this case, the contact didn't arrive.

It's not like the two were running side by side and out of nowhere Sturridge just dived for no reason. Vidic flew into a tackle in the box and got absolutely nowhere near the ball. Once that happens, it's tough sh!t if the ref awards a penalty.

Courtesy Flush

Mata just doesnt look right in that United team. He may decide to move on

ebbsy

My motto is "go down cheaply in the box, and see what happens".

CSF

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Mata just doesnt look right in that United team. He may decide to move on

I think that's unlikely. This is definitely better for him than where he has just come from. I think if there were better options available he may have already taken them in January.

blueser

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

Mata just doesnt look right in that United team. He may decide to move on

I think if he knew then what he knows now, he might not have moved. Not to United anyway. He obviously was surplus to requirements at Chelsea, so a move was in his best interests. I'm sure some club on the continent would have taken him, and it would have been a better move for him. Very good player.