ground lime or granulated lime value for money

Dunedin · 13-03-2014 1:53pm

just_did_it wrote: »

Folks,

Would it be better to go out with g-lime before or after slurry ?

With the few dry left I am not sure wether to spread g-lime today and slurry Saturday or the would the other way around be better?

From reading this tread it appears to be safe to apply g-lime to silage ground for cutting this year.

definitely do not put out slurry immediately after lime.

do it the other way about and leave one week i.e. slurry today and lime one week later.

reilig · 13-03-2014 2:00pm

just_did_it wrote: »

Folks,

Would it be better to go out with g-lime before or after slurry ?

With the few dry left I am not sure wether to spread g-lime today and slurry Saturday or the would the other way around be better?

From reading this tread it appears to be safe to apply g-lime to silage ground for cutting this year.

Perfectly safe to apply G Lime before or after slurry. It has no impact on N.

frazzledhome · 13-03-2014 3:33pm

satstheway wrote: »

Well if I spread urea today can I spread bulk lime in a week time?
And Jees you's don't half make it hard to make up my mind. A lot of pros and cons.

Urea before lime

ok
Lime befor urea

not ok

On G lime v lime stone

G lime 30% more expensive but can spread yourself

If you need less that 24 tonne go Gran
More go lorry load, 24 tonne does 12 acres

massey woman · 13-03-2014 4:29pm

We have been selectively spreading ground limestone for the last 20 years annually here on poorer soil in the NW with great success

There have been a number of suppliers over the years promoting different products all with varying degrees of credibility

Growmax is the most recent product we looked at with a TNV of 160-170 and a calcium content of 68% @€;180/tonne collected

My Grolime suppliers product has a TNV of 99.8% , a Calcium content of 97.9% and a magnesium content of 3.65% for €20/tonne delivered

After this we have a cost of €6/tonne for spreading-Reilig I think you need to review your spreaders rates!-

For us its a financial no brainer have a plan be ready and get it out when conditions are suitable

reilig · 13-03-2014 7:27pm

massey woman wrote: »

Reilig I think you need to review your spreaders rates!-

25 euro a ton spread here - that's cheaper than your 20 euro delivered and 6 euro spread! Probably the same person who spreads for both us us (JJS) only that ours might be less of a draw from the quarry as we are only 12 miles from Laragan which would account for the 1 euro less per ton?

Conmaicne Mara · 13-03-2014 8:08pm

Injuryprone wrote: »

I think you need to recheck your figures there Con.

As I see it, gran lime (at 1 bag /acre/year) costs €7 + spreading costs.
Ground lime costs (at €23/tonne around here) €46/acre every 5 years or €9.20/acre/year.

Just spread 70% of the farm with granlime. The rest has been reseeded in the last 3 years. Spread with an Amazone spreader. Tbh it was dusty enough with a nice bit of non-granulated lime in the bag which didn't flow very well. Getting the last couple of cwt out of the spinner was troublesome enough. I'd say it'll work better with a wagtail

bbam wrote: »

No I think thats worked out over a few years.. there was a more detailed thread maybe 3 years ago....

I'll have a stab at it...

€150 a ton, 100kg (€15 worth)same as 1 ton ground,
so say I spread 2 ton ground lime @ €25 a ton, thats €50 to cover for 3 years.

In G-Lime that would be €15 * 2 = €30 each year for 3 years = €90

So for the same cover for 3 years would be €50 in ground lime and €90 in G-lime..

Actually that looks much better than I had thought... not twice the cost..

But it would depend on the deal you can strike on ground lime, the quarry near us will spread it within 5 miles for €18/ton and would charge us €27/ton, and there is no cost for spreading the G-lime yourself included, probably should be €5/ton.

On the plus side for G-lime..
Can be stored for use when needed
I can cover any small area when it suits me, with gound I'd need a full 24 ton load.
I can spread just when conditions are right rather than waiting for a contractor.
For those of us with smaller field access its just handier..

There have been several threads on UK forums about it. Consensus being gran lime is significantly more expensive. Not to mention the lack of persistent effect of gran lime compared to ground.

micraX · 14-03-2014 9:50am

Got 100 ton of bulk lime delivered the.other day. Contractor spreading it today or tomorrow.

farmernewbie · 14-03-2014 9:57am

micraX wrote: »

Got 100 ton of bulk lime delivered the.other day. Contractor spreading it today or tomorrow.

Jesus a 100 ton is alot. Does it take up much room? Many lorry loads? Did ya dump in field or yard? Plan on getting 40 ton at some stage but wouldn't have room in yard so would have to dump in field.

Farmer Pudsey · 14-03-2014 9:59am

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

There have been several threads on UK forums about it. Consensus being gran lime is significantly more expensive. Not to mention the lack of persistent effect of gran lime compared to ground.

None of us disagre that it is more expensive. However some of use consider that it flexability give back a lot of the extra cost. Take wet land where you cannot get into until april taht there is a coat of grass on spreading lime will delay grazing. It has tax efficienty in that you can schedule as an annual cost. Bought with fertlizer it may drop 2 euro/ton off fertlizer cost. Transfered back to granlime etc this may drop it price bt 10/ton. Flexibility with spreading slurry and urea what is that worth. I also find that after spreading in the spring that cattle graze paddocks better.

micraX wrote: »

Got 100 ton of bulk lime delivered the.other day. Contractor spreading it today or tomorrow.

Thsi would be a month too late for me and should not be spread on silage ground. I could not have spread Groundlime this year with conditions.

PureBred · 14-03-2014 12:57pm

So my plan is:

Slurry this weekend

Gran lime & Fert next week

Looking to get 1st Cut June 1st.

Is is ok to put out lime and fert together or should it be spaced out?

micraX · 14-03-2014 1:22pm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

None of us disagre that it is more expensive. However some of use consider that it flexability give back a lot of the extra cost. Take wet land where you cannot get into until april taht there is a coat of grass on spreading lime will delay grazing. It has tax efficienty in that you can schedule as an annual cost. Bought with fertlizer it may drop 2 euro/ton off fertlizer cost. Transfered back to granlime etc this may drop it price bt 10/ton. Flexibility with spreading slurry and urea what is that worth. I also find that after spreading in the spring that cattle graze paddocks better.

Thsi would be a month too late for me and should not be spread on silage ground. I could not have spread Groundlime this year with conditions.

Who said anything about silage ground? It's for brassicas.
4 lorry loads dumped in fields.

onyerbikepat · 20-03-2014 2:40pm

Guys, how do ye manage to spread Ground Limestone near a busy main road? Would the dust blowing off, not be a major problem?

micraX · 20-03-2014 2:44pm

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Guys, how do ye manage to spread Ground Limestone near a busy main road? Would the dust blowing off, not be a major problem?

Just close the gates so no one can come in and complain. Spread 100 ton on Saturday/Sunday in Lusk half it in ground along a main road and along a housing estate, and it was very windy, no complaints surprisingly. Haha

visatorro · 20-03-2014 2:57pm

neighbour was spreading lime on maize ground here a couple of years ago and the local bastard complained. the farmer had to pay for industrial cleaners to come and clean bastards house. probably the main reason i go with gran lime

micraX · 20-03-2014 3:03pm

visatorro wrote: »

neighbour was spreading lime on maize ground here a couple of years ago and the local bastard complained. the farmer had to pay for industrial cleaners to come and clean bastards house. probably the main reason i go with gran lime

Show up with a powerhose and tell him were to put the lance

visatorro · 20-03-2014 3:07pm

easier said than done when your dealing with a full lunatic!!

Round Bale · 20-03-2014 3:49pm

micraX wrote: »

Just close the gates so no one can come in and complain. Spread 100 ton on Saturday/Sunday in Lusk half it in ground along a main road and along a housing estate, and it was very windy, no complaints surprisingly. Haha

Would you complain, if the residents of the housing estate, allowed their rubbish (papers, plasic bags, etc,.) to blow onto your land?

Conmaicne Mara · 20-03-2014 3:52pm

Round Bale wrote: »

Would you complain, if the residents of the housing estate, allowed their rubbish (papers, plasic bags, etc,.) to blow onto your land?

While I wouldn't agree with spreading ground lime on a windy day if it would inconvenience others (to a realistic degree), there's a substantial difference between a powder that will be washed off with a shower or two and non biodegradable garbage.

onyerbikepat · 20-03-2014 4:16pm

I would be worried that the dust cloud could cause an accident on the road. One field is right beside dual carriageway.

micraX · 20-03-2014 6:07pm

Round Bale wrote: »

Would you complain, if the residents of the housing estate, allowed their rubbish (papers, plasic bags, etc,.) to blow onto your land?

Never been an issue and they are there over ten years. But you can't controls the weather.

onyerbikepat · 28-03-2014 4:42pm

This weeks journal, Reseeding section, page 5. Jack Kennedy saying that Granulated Lime is a waste of money, 5 times more expensive than ground limestone. It's basically the same thing just ground finer.

Farmer Pudsey · 28-03-2014 5:02pm

onyerbikepat wrote: »

This weeks journal, Reseeding section, page 5. Jack Kennedy saying that Granulated Lime is a waste of money, 5 times more expensive than ground limestone. It's basically the same thing just ground finer.

TBH he is not the greatest expert in the world. Over the years I have found out that the opposite to what he and Shane Ross expound is often not a bad idea.

We all know that it is more expensive to buy the real question is will it flexibility and non damage to ground microbiology make up for the extra cost. Have heard no one state that it is five times more expensive was under the impression that it was near a factor of 3.

He also expounded the theory of the woodchip pad. Everything has a place.

farmernewbie · 28-03-2014 5:13pm

Lads I got these soil test results from 4 samples. Looks like I am ok for Lime now sure on the rest. Anyone understand the P and K values?

Sample PH P K N P K
1 6.85 7.83 27.20 125 20 175
2 7.06 12.10 32.90 125 0 175
3 6.93 9.82 29.80 125 0 175
4 7.35 5.38 20.50 125 20 175

Gillespy · 28-03-2014 5:27pm

Jack Kennedy has been wrong in the past, pads, outdoor cubicles, jerseys, crossbreeding but he is spot on this time with lime. Flexibility is a weak selling point, if you can't find a window every 5-6 years, you're asleep. Granted its uses in marginal land and short term leased land.

Round Bale · 28-03-2014 7:50pm

farmernewbie wrote: »

Lads I got these soil test results from 4 samples. Looks like I am ok for Lime now sure on the rest. Anyone understand the P and K values?

Sample PH P K N P K
1 6.85 7.83 27.20 125 20 175
2 7.06 12.10 32.90 125 0 175
3 6.93 9.82 29.80 125 0 175
4 7.35 5.38 20.50 125 20 175

WTF is that? Panel from sudoku puzzle?? -;)

freedominacup · 29-03-2014 7:47am

Round Bale wrote: »

WTF is that? Panel from sudoku puzzle?? -;)

That's what it looks like:D:D.

satstheway · 29-03-2014 7:57am

My ground lime is going on today. Thanks for the help people.

farmernewbie · 29-03-2014 10:59am

Round Bale wrote: »

WTF is that? Panel from sudoku puzzle?? -;)

Might as well be to me.

onyerbikepat · 28-09-2014 5:20pm

Just wondering really but, does anyone know what Ag Lime cost per tonne delivered? By this I mean, not including the cost of spreading, just delieverd into the yard.

satstheway · 28-09-2014 5:26pm

Mine was €450 for 26 ton not spread
That was Feb or March .

grange mac · 28-09-2014 6:54pm

Bargained to 420 delivered for 22 ton. Price depends on distance from quarry. In John A Woods/Road stone anyway. I'm 40miles from castle more quarry in cork.