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    #32
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    djimi wrote: »
    To be honest, the only issue here is the fact that they were stupid enough to actually say to you why they arent renting to you. If they dont want to rent to you then there is no obligation for them to do so, nor are they obliged to give you a reason as to why you were refused. They just needed to be a bit smarter with how they spoke to you,

    You are better off just moving on and forgetting it; its not worth the time or hassle.

    Would you feel the same if the LL had texted "Sorry, no blacks"?


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    #33
    The Dagda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭The Dagda


    djimi wrote: »
    To be honest, the only issue here is the fact that they were stupid enough to actually say to you why they arent renting to you. If they dont want to rent to you then there is no obligation for them to do so, nor are they obliged to give you a reason as to why you were refused. They just needed to be a bit smarter with how they spoke to you,

    You are better off just moving on and forgetting it; its not worth the time or hassle.

    It was the agent who said it, not the LL.


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    #34
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,509 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Am I the only one who thinks there is something more to this. the text message suggests its an EA sent the message so the LL could claim he/she said nothing of the sort. "Sorry my name, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to single bloke, sorry".
    So who exactly sent you the text message?


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    #35
    Raphael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    There's a different between picking your preferred tenant from the people that showed up, and ruling out a chunk of them out of hand for no reason. If only single blokes had showed up, would this landlord have kept the place on the market turning down applicants till a couple had come along? Because if so, that's discrimination and illegal.

    If the text had just said 'Sorry dar100, we gave the place to someone else', then there'd be no issue (or even thread). Because OP could take it in good faith that the landlord had decided based on the whole picture. The text tells us that either they decided based on discriminatory grounds, or really should rethink how they communicate in their business.


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    #36
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    djimi wrote: »
    To be honest, the only issue here is the fact that they were stupid enough to actually say to you why they arent renting to you. If they dont want to rent to you then there is no obligation for them to do so, nor are they obliged to give you a reason as to why you were refused. They just needed to be a bit smarter with how they spoke to you,

    You are better off just moving on and forgetting it; its not worth the time or hassle.

    No, the issue here is what they have done! And the fact that people like you think it's ok


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    #37
    davo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭davo2001


    Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.


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    #38
    MadsL
    Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    davo2001 wrote: »
    Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.

    Some impressive victim blaming there...


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    #39
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    MadsL wrote: »
    Would you feel the same if the LL had texted "Sorry, no blacks"?

    Yes, I would.

    What would you honestly hope to gain from pursuing the matter further?


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    #40
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    davo2001 wrote: »
    Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.

    And either would yours, if you had no accommodation to live in, and individuals with vested interests on here telling you to forget about it, let it go etc.

    My attitude when treated right is one of reciprocity.

    When you challenge the status quo, this is what happens, individuals seek to undermine and silly you.

    Wont happen here dav2001


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    #41
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    dar100 wrote: »
    No, the issue here is what they have done! And the fact that people like you think it's ok

    Again, what do you hope to gain from this? An apology? Youre not going to be getting the apartment, and even if they were to offer it to you now I doubt you want to deal with them.

    I dont think its okay for the record. But I do feel that life is too short to waste time making an issue over this, when you are better off just forgetting about it and moving on.


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    #42
    Raphael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    davo2001 wrote: »
    Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.
    And that would be totally ok. If the text had read "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to pricks, sorry" that would be legal discrimination.

    Discrimination itself is fine, discrimation on the grounds of gender, civil status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Travelling Community.

    Legal discrimination:
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to Americans, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to gingers, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to Man United fans, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to software developers, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to motorcycle enthusiasts, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to people named Fred, sorry"

    Illegal Discrimation:
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to men, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to married couples, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to gays, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to protestants, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to old people, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to blacks, sorry"
    "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to travellers, sorry"


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    #43
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    dar100 wrote: »
    and individuals with vested interests on here telling you to forget about it, let it go etc.

    Why do these threads descend into this when people dont get told what they want to hear? I have no connection to renting other than I am a tenant myself. Im simply giving my opinion.


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    #44
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    djimi wrote: »
    Again, what do you hope to gain from this? An apology? Youre not going to be getting the apartment, and even if they were to offer it to you now I doubt you want to deal with them.

    I dont think its okay for the record. But I do feel that life is too short to waste time making an issue over this, when you are better off just forgetting about it and moving on.

    I hear what your saying, but if we were all to take that stance, then no social change/justice will ever happen.

    This is not ok, sure, I may never get the apartment, and tbh, I don't want it now anyway.

    But, I also don't want the next apartment I do go for, to be the same.

    Sure this happens ALL the time, but in this instance they went about it wrong, the rules of the game were broke, so to speak


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    #45
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    djimi wrote: »
    Why do these threads descend into this when people dont get told what they want to hear? I have no connection to renting other than I am a tenant myself. Im simply giving my opinion.[/QUOTE]

    And I'm giving mine


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    #46
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,560 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Maybe the landlord thought you looked dodgy, maybe you smelt of smoke, maybe they thought you were rude/wouldn't look after the apartment.


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    #47
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    The landlord is entitled to rent to whomesoever he wishes.

    His only mistake was giving a reason as to why he wouldn't rent to the OP.

    If there were only two aplicants for the apartment (or for a job )- one a black woman and the other a white man, it's not discrimination to choose one over the other.

    You are not obliged to give any reason for your choice.

    Same goes for refusals in a pub... no reason needs to be given.


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    #48
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    dar100 wrote: »
    And I'm giving mine

    Using a smartarse tone to accuse me of having a vested interest is not expressing an opinion, it is an attempt to belittle mine.


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    #49
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Maybe the landlord thought you looked dodgy, maybe you smelt of smoke, maybe they thought you were rude/wouldn't look after the apartment.

    But he didn't and thats the point, the reason was been male and single, and that is where the problem lies, FOR HIM


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    #50
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    dar100 wrote: »
    I hear what your saying, but if we were all to take that stance, then no social change/justice will ever happen.

    This is not ok, sure, I may never get the apartment, and tbh, I don't want it now anyway.

    But, I also don't want the next apartment I do go for, to be the same.

    Sure this happens ALL the time, but in this instance they went about it wrong, the rules of the game were broke, so to speak

    Its an honorable stance, but I dont know how you intend to even being pursuing the matter? And for what gain?


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    #51
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    djimi wrote: »
    Using a smartarse tone to accuse me of having a vested interest is not expressing an opinion, it is an attempt to belittle mine.

    I didn't direct the statement at you, your inferring


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    #52
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    i think you need to grow up and stop being petty, if you spent the time lamenting over this looking for another apt, you'd probably feel alot better about the whole thing and probably have found a place


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    #53
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    dar100 wrote: »
    I didn't direct the statement at you

    Yes you did, as I am one of the people telling you to forget about it, let it go etc (your words).


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    #54
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    dar100 wrote: »
    There is absolutely no way they can make such a judgement, after a 10 minute meeting

    Most people make up their minds on such matters in under a second.


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    #55
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    djimi wrote: »
    Its an honorable stance, but I dont know how you intend to even being pursuing the matter? And for what gain?


    Perhaps the gain will be inherent in the act itself, having my voice heard, trying to right a perceived wrong, or just saying, hey this is not ok:)


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    #56
    jane82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    There are quite a few people with vested interests here I have noticed from reading here. Every thread seems to put landlords on one side and tenants on another.
    You probably could get him punished for it. It probably would make newspapers. It probably would lead to landlords being more careful with the openness of their discrimination.


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    #57
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    You dont see this much hype over "no RA"...


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    #58
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    djimi wrote: »
    Yes you did, as I am one of the people telling you to forget about it, let it go etc (your words).

    Again, I did not use your name, it was a general statement, which your choosing to personalise:)


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    #59
    Raphael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    You dont see this much hype over "no RA"...

    That's because "no RA" is completely legal.


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    #60
    subway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭subway


    wow this thread is a train wreck already.
    OP, if you are pursuing this it will take time.


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    #61
    dar100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dar100


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    i think you need to grow up and stop being petty, if you spent the time lamenting over this looking for another apt, you'd probably feel alot better about the whole thing and probably have found a place

    Ah heres me thinking moving out on my own was grown up and responsible.:)


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