No makeup selfie.

wil

ballsymchugh wrote: »

isn't that a class thing? in some countries where people would be tanned, it was because they worked outdoors, so would typically be lower class.
the whiteners that you see on shelves in asia are to give the impression that you're of a class that doesn't work outside (if at all)

Doubt that now, it's more of a fashion decision, to look more "western"
Also the most common plastic surgery operation in China is the eyelid fold.

Consider many sweatshop workers hardly ever see the sun and that sort of work is more prevalent now.
Over here that pale skin trend was last century, then in recent decades a tan was a sign of being rich enough to go on holiday.
Now (well maybe not for the last few years) foreign exotic travel is more the norm.
Thing is, by and large, typical Irish is the whitest skin in the world, so yeah, canvas.

And they can tattoo makeup now so, ammm, I'd say I've used up everything I know:),

Kylo Ren

I put one up there. It's for a good cause and we need to get he message out there.

Kony cannot continue. #Kony2012

Jester252

A nice new spin off has just appeared on my Facebook. I hope #cockinasock doesn't take off.

beks101

bodice ripper wrote: »

But it's a sexually display, not a correction of flaws to be adopted forever.

Piliger wrote: »

Personally I like to know whom I am dating, not a face painted on a face.

I think makeup's getting a pretty bad press here now in fairness.

The above calls to mind some sort of circus freak image a la

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vdSz3AaCl_Y/URF99t-19GI/AAAAAAAABqY/fVJZY-NC19s/s1600/7.jpg

When in reality most women myself included would aspire to a more natural look, something like

http://jeanneleekuhn.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/a-natural-makeup-look.jpg

Hardly a "face painted on a face" - and hardly a case of waking up beside some unrecognisable species the next morning that looks completely different to what you saw the night before.

Personally it has to do with many things, but a desire to morph my face into something else entirely or to put on a 'sexual display' certainly doesn't appear on the list.

It's professionalism in the office, where I'll have face-to-face interaction with lots of important people and would like to look as groomed and neat and put-together as possible.

It's self-confidence at social events, dinners, nights out etc. Knowing that I look my best - and that includes an array of things from styling my hair, dressing well, getting enough sleep, generally keeping in shape, and applying makeup so I can enjoy myself knowing that I've presented the best physical version of myself, and like anyone I get a confidence boost from that and will probably be more comfortable and outgoing as a result of it.

It's general entertainment and enjoyment of the physical process of applying it. I happen to quite like my face. And I love finding out what makes my eyes pop, what highlights my cheekbones, what works well with my warm skin tone, what brings out my best features. It's a way of celebrating the raw materials, as opposed to trying to disguise them.

It does help as a corrective thing too for whatever facial thing I may have going on, blotchy skin or dark circles or a spot outbreak or whatever. That's not something that I'd use it for primarily though - it's just something that helps with the above scenarios I've described.

I'm perfectly happy doing the grocery shopping or spending the day in the park or taking a bus or a train or a plane or hanging out with friends or my boyfriend or whatever without a lick of the stuff on my face. As it is I haven't worn a trace of it since Thursday and being bare-faced is as comfortable and normal to me as spending a while applying makeup. Both are wonderful. Both are the same face and I doubt anyone would have too much trouble picking my makeup-less mug out of a lineup.

Which is kind of why this #nomakeup #selfie #OMG thing grates me. I don't recoil in horror at the thought of the general public seeing me without my war paint. It happens every other day. I've seen most if not all of the women in my life - mum, sisters, relatives, friends, colleagues, clients, flatmates, acquaintances etc - in the same state and it wouldn't register in my brain that they're not wearing makeup - it's just me conversing with another woman as far as I'm concerned.

So this whole "terrifying" "brave" "you've no idea how hard this is" thing just baffles me to be quite honest. And propogates this idea that women are generally vain, self-obsessed lunatics who refuse to leave the house without being painted and preened to within an inch of their fickle little lives, in order to present some sort of farce to the world, which is simply untrue.

kingshankly

This bugs me a lot of girls putting up selfies without having donated just looking for the usual comments "omg honey you don't need make up"
Make up companies must be loving it as it highlights the need for make up

Legs.Eleven

I think people are getting a bit OTT on how important make up is to most women. The vast majority of women I know can leave the house without it and do often.

iDave

Didn't realise how conditioned I am to see girls in make up. Genuinely don't recognise some of them. A lot of natural beauty shining through

Tasden

I think girls would feel a lot more confident without makeup if they didn't hear "are you ok?/you look sick" whenever they go out wearing none
Its a natural reaction if someone looks paler than usual or their eyes look less defined and therefore tired, or bags not covered by concealer, it doesn't necessarily mean they look bad without it, they just look different and the first thought is that something might be wrong with them. Every one of my makeup wearing friends has had this happen at one point or another and when it does it just confirms to them that they do need to wear it, whereas its more just a case of the person not being used to their natural face.

Turtyturd

Jester252 wrote: »

A nice new spin off has just appeared on my Facebook. I hope #cockinasock doesn't take off.

Also noticed someone last night putting up a 'selfie' of their dog....which was clearly not taken by the dog, and asking people to do the same and donate 4 euro to the ISPCA.

Stupid f*ck.

Panda_Turtle

Turtyturd wrote: »

Also noticed someone last night putting up a 'selfie' of their dog....which was clearly not taken by the dog, and asking people to do the same and donate 4 euro to the ISPCA.

Stupid f*ck.

Clearly not taken by the dog? Captain f*ckin obvious.

Whats the problem with raising money for a good cause.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057174165

Obliq

Tasden wrote: »

I think girls would feel a lot more confident without makeup if they didn't hear "are you ok?/you look sick" whenever they go out wearing none
Its a natural reaction if someone looks paler than usual or their eyes look less defined and therefore tired, or bags not covered by concealer, it doesn't necessarily mean they look bad without it, they just look different and the first thought is that something might be wrong with them. Every one of my makeup wearing friends has had this happen at one point or another and when it does it just confirms to them that they do need to wear it, whereas its more just a case of the person not being used to their natural face.

I think it's interesting that it confirms to them that they need to wear it. Wouldn't you think it could also confirm that they've painted over their natural skin tone for so long that perhaps they're not comfortable with the way they actually look anymore?

You're right for sure. It is just a case of the person not being used to their natural face, but it also shows up the insecurities in a big way, when instead of letting everyone get used to what they look like really, they go running for the foundation.

Like Bodice Ripper, I've often been told it must be just me. I've been told by my SIL who is a high flying executive that I look like a child (for wearing no make up) - I'm 42 FFS. The day I wore some to a wedding, I looked SO grown up apparently. I naturally kept my mouth shut, as she's bigger than me Inwardly, as I look at herself and her friend together sometimes, I wonder do they know that they look as if they are trying to look like sisters? Same flawless skin (thank you Mac), same smokey eyes (understated, in the exact same way), similar lippy and well blonded (in an actual hairdresser, like!) hair.

Perhaps it's vanity that I DON'T want to look the same as everyone else?!! I remember reading a book along those lines once actually. Must try and find it online - Mad stuff about people getting arrested for wanting their own face :eek:!

czechlin

Tasden wrote: »

I think girls would feel a lot more confident without makeup if they didn't hear "are you ok?/you look sick" whenever they go out wearing none
Its a natural reaction if someone looks paler than usual or their eyes look less defined and therefore tired, or bags not covered by concealer, it doesn't necessarily mean they look bad without it, they just look different and the first thought is that something might be wrong with them. Every one of my makeup wearing friends has had this happen at one point or another and when it does it just confirms to them that they do need to wear it, whereas its more just a case of the person not being used to their natural face.

OH God this! I used to get this so much. I have a very pale complexion and I think the fact that I have a dark hair and dark eyes might make me look a bit more zombie-ish. I was so aware of it that for a period of time you wouldn't catch me dead without make up. Even I wasn't used to my natural face any more! Eventually I found being a slave of my own insecurity quite limiting and put an end to it. + I have a sensitive skin and plastering unnecessary substances over it on a daily bases didn't do it any good either.
I don't wear make up every day and if I do it's quite light anyway. But I tend to take a good care of my skin so it looks healthy and sometimes I get my eyebrows and eye lashes tinted just to add a bit of a definition to the face. That said I like make up, I enjoy "dolling" myself up when going out. I don't do it to impress men or other women, I do it because it's fun, it's a part of the "going out" routine and it makes me feel good. Now if I only wasn't so clumsy, but that's a different story

Obliq

czechlin wrote: »

Eventually I found being a slave of my own insecurity quite limiting and put an end to it.

Excellent post czechlin! ^^that's exactly why I stopped too.

This is the book I was thinking of in my last post, if anyone interested. It's very 1984 like, a dystopian fantasy, but I loved it. Very disturbing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_Justice

"A young woman named Jael 97, who has been reported to the Ministry of Facial Justice for being "facially over privileged" and causing discontent among other women, approaches the Equalisation (Faces) Centre to have a synthetic "Beta" face fitted so that she will blend in with the community."

copeyhagen

seen these all over fb like a virus.

when people post the comment "heres my no make up selfie, i donated"
are they actually doanting cash or do they somehow feel that the selfie is a donation on its own? please tell me its the former.

sydthebeat

copeyhagen wrote: »

seen these all over fb like a virus.

when people post the comment "heres my no make up selfie, i donated"
are they actually doanting cash or do they somehow feel that the selfie is a donation on its own? please tell me its the former.

its the former, that how the over €550,000 has been raised.

geeky

Selfies in general irritate me. The latest trend is just more narcissism dressed up in philanthropy.

Legs.Eleven

geeky wrote: »

Selfies in general irritate me. The latest trend is just more narcissism dressed up in philanthropy.

Glad you could add a fresh, new argument to the debate. Thanks for that!

Panda_Turtle

geeky wrote: »

Selfies in general irritate me. The latest trend is just more narcissism dressed up in philanthropy.

Narcissism and philanthropy? I had to Google those words.

I see your point, which is probably true in a lot of cases, but much money has been raised.

czechlin

Obliq wrote: »

Excellent post czechlin! ^^that's exactly why I stopped too.

This is the book I was thinking of in my last post, if anyone interested. It's very 1984 like, a dystopian fantasy, but I loved it. Very disturbing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_Justice

"A young woman named Jael 97, who has been reported to the Ministry of Facial Justice for being "facially over privileged" and causing discontent among other women, approaches the Equalisation (Faces) Centre to have a synthetic "Beta" face fitted so that she will blend in with the community.."

Ah jesus, I've got read this :eek:

Obliq

geeky wrote: »

Selfies in general irritate me. The latest trend is just more narcissism dressed up in philanthropy.

Panda_Turtle wrote: »

Narcissism and philanthropy? I had to Google those words.

I see your point, which is probably true in a lot of cases, but much money has been raised.

Y'know, this thread is really interesting - we've all covered a lot of this already if you would go back and have a bit of an aul read?

About 15 pages back or so. Ya don't have to start at the beginning or anything.....

Panda_Turtle

Obliq wrote: »

Y'know, this thread is really interesting - we've all covered a lot of this already if you would go back and have a bit of an aul read?

About 15 pages back or so. Ya don't have to start at the beginning or anything.....

Im sorry.

Obliq

Panda_Turtle wrote: »

Im sorry.

Why?! I'm not having a go at you - just suggesting that this thread doesn't need to start all over again

wp_rathead

wprathead wrote: »

Fully agree sinead, seems like "FB Like Whoreing" at its worst

Who isn't "aware" of Cancer ffs?

Just saw this raised 2mil
Whatever about my initial reaction that is fantastic

Still stand by that it is "Like Whoring" but who cares, if raises money that is main thing

bodice ripper

Putting on make up for a natural look is like ****ing for virginity.

This is exactly what I dont understand.

Czarcasm

bodice ripper wrote: »

Putting on make up for a natural look is like ****ing for virginity.

This is exactly what I dont understand.

Well, putting on make up then that makes you look well, but makes you look like you're not wearing any. You must surely know women who would wear make up and it's hard to tell they're wearing any. I know plenty. They wear it so their skin looks fresh and to cover up blemishes, take the tired look off their eyes, that sort of thing.

bodice ripper

Czarcasm wrote: »

Well, putting on make up then that makes you look well, but makes you look like you're not wearing any. You must surely know women who would wear make up and it's hard to tell they're wearing any. I know plenty. They wear it so their skin looks fresh and to cover up blemishes, take the tired look off their eyes, that sort of thing.

Youve already said that you would prefer the missus the wear make up all the time like she was on a night out. Perhaps you are desensitied, but you can always see the make up. Do you think you wouldn't notice such make up on a man?

Obliq

bodice ripper wrote: »

Putting on make up for a natural look is like ****ing for virginity.

This is exactly what I dont understand.

Y'know, in all honesty, for all that I bang on about insecurities and how even the least make up is basically a cover up job on (as Czarcasm put it) the tired and blotchy look, I will fully admit to not being fully natural looking. If I was, my eyebrows would be hitting my eyelashes and I'd have a full on hairy chin/tash.

I get quite annoyed with myself for my own double standards, but it doesn't take away from the fact that young girls are RELENTLESSLY taught that looking the same as everyone else is something to strive for (young boys too, but they haven't the same tools being marketed to them - no such thing as a "free" lipstick or other face paint in a boy's mag)

bodice ripper wrote: »

Youve already said that you would prefer the missus the wear make up all the time like she was on a night out. Perhaps you are desensitied, but you can always see the make up. Do you think you wouldn't notice such make up on a man?

I think we're all desensitised. Imagine the SENSATION it would cause if Kylie (for example) appeared on The Voice, sans slap, hairy legged with a dark shadow over her upper lip? None of us are blame free for perpetuating this idealism IMO

Czarcasm

bodice ripper wrote: »

Youve already said that you would prefer the missus the wear make up all the time like she was on a night out. Perhaps you are desensitied, but you can always see the make up. Do you think you wouldn't notice such make up on a man?

Ah I'd notice make-up alright, but what I mean is that it's not so obvious the person is wearing make up. I used wear concealer myself when I had the blackheads and I had to stop because as bad as the blackheads were, the concealer looked even worse and was MORE noticeable!

Obliq

Czarcasm wrote: »

Well, putting on make up then that makes you look well, but makes you look like you're not wearing any. You must surely know women who would wear make up and it's hard to tell they're wearing any. I know plenty. They wear it so their skin looks fresh and to cover up blemishes, take the tired look off their eyes, that sort of thing.

I know you were asking Bodice Ripper, but yeah, I know plenty - we all do. That it's the bare minimum of make up doesn't alter the fact that it's because we women are under pressure to hide blemishes (from ourselves, more than anyone else). I look at men around me and their skin tone (blotchy at times, spots, wrinkles, dark shadows) doesn't bother me at all. I've never seen them any other way.

Jester252

Only used make up once in my life. The day before my Debs I got hit in the head by a falling pipe. My Mum slapped on the concealer so I would look nice for the photos. I could barely tell where the I was injured.
I can see why some people use make-up for a natural look regardless of the oddity.

blue onion

This debate seems to be just about if somebody takes a photo of themselves, wears make-up or not and volunteers or not for charity.

As far as I know nobody is being forced to watch a photo at gunpoint (in particular an Homer Simpson Make-Up Gun invention)

If people don't like seeing photos there are scroll down/up features and tab features on the Electronic Babbage Machine (I do miss the old mechanical computer)

Polka_Dot

I got nominated for the no make up shíte yesterday. I've volunteered with and give to the Irish Cancer Society regularly, I don't need some selfie gimmick to make me donate. I posted anyway but instead of putting up a picture where I'd look the same as I always do, I linked to information on how to perform checks and some facts about breast cancer. It's all well and good sending in the €4 (and it has raised a lot which is great) but that's still not raising awareness. Of course everyone is aware of breast cancer but that doesn't mean people will bother to check themselves. I didn't actually donate the €4 simply because my network wouldn't let me but I went into the local ICS shop and bought something today and will be buying a daffodil on Friday.

Carlos Orange

Up to €1 million now.

http://www.thejournal.ie/nomakeupselfie-one-million-euro-1380973-Mar2014/

BraziliaNZ

Seen it on facebook, it's absolutely ridiculous, but according to the Guardian today it made like 8 million in just a few days. So who cares, that's a lot of money towards Cancer research.

GenieOz

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Seen it on facebook, it's absolutely ridiculous, but according to the Guardian today it made like 8 million in just a few days. So who cares, that's a lot of money towards Cancer research.

It's fine now, but reality was it started off with no donations and people just putting up selfies.
If they had have donated the entire time it was going it'd likely be a lot higher, people started donating when people started giving out about selfies saying they do nothing for charity, why don't you donate instead.

Then it became a thing where people do both. The selfie part of it is just for peoples own ego imo, waiting for the "aw hun you don't need make up" comments.

efb

Yes the pressure to donate changed it from 'awareness' to a donation

€4 stick a picture of whatever

miss no stars

I don't mind the no-makeup-selfie thing. I mean hell, it's just a picture with no makeup and a donation...

But I liked someone's status yesterday and got this message:

Oooops! You should not have liked or commented! Now you have to pick one of the 14 below and post to your status. This is the 2014 breast cancer awareness game. Don't be a spoil sport choose you poison, and change your status 1) Damn diarrhea 2) Just used my boobs to get out of a speeding ticket 3) Anyone have a tampon, I'm out 4) How do you get rid of foot fungus 5) Why is nobody around when I'm horny? 6) No toilet paper goodbye socks! 7)Someone offered me a job as a prostitute but I'm hesitant. 8)I think I'm in love with someone what should I do? 9)I've decided 2 stop wearing underwear. 10)I still love my ex. 11)I really don't know how 2 tell anyone and I'm sick of hiding it I'm gay. 12)Guess it was 2 good 2 b true I'm pregnant. 13)Just won $7000 on a scratchy. 14)I've just found out I've been cheated on for the past 5 months. Post with no explanations.

So I should lie to my friends and family in aid of cancer awareness? WTF? There's also no mention of a donation.

That bothered me.

Red Nissan

MadsL wrote: »

You lost me at Facebook...

Facebook, the new not to be seen at, at any cost, so last century.

Paddy Cow

miss no stars wrote: »

I don't mind the no-makeup-selfie thing. I mean hell, it's just a picture with no makeup and a donation...

But I liked someone's status yesterday and got this message:


So I should lie to my friends and family in aid of cancer awareness? WTF? There's also no mention of a donation.

That bothered me.

Any idea what this is for? I saw the "I just found out I've been cheated on for the past 5 months" status on a guy's page.

Czarcasm

miss no stars wrote: »

I don't mind the no-makeup-selfie thing. I mean hell, it's just a picture with no makeup and a donation...

But I liked someone's status yesterday and got this message:



So I should lie to my friends and family in aid of cancer awareness? WTF? There's also no mention of a donation.

That bothered me.

Good to see things are returning to normal.

Obliq

Czarcasm wrote: »

Good to see things are returning to normal.

:pac: Ah, the joys of facebook.

languagenerd

efb wrote: »

Yes the pressure to donate changed it from 'awareness' to a donation

€4 stick a picture of whatever

I think it was MEANT to be donations all along, but somewhere along the line, someone left out the donation part and that chain was continued for a while. The first I heard of it was someone nominating me to do it for "awareness" (feck off) but looking through my newsfeed, friends from other parts of the country were already doing donations at that point. That was Wednesday evening last week when it was just starting.

While there are undoubtedly bad elements to it (the notion that all women MUST wear make-up, the eejits just fishing for compliments, the people who think they're making some huge sacrifice), I don't think there's anything wrong with the campaign when people recognise it for what it is - a silly gimmick that's raised €1million here and £8million in the UK. A simple status saying "Donate to the Irish Cancer Society" would have got maybe 3 likes and been forgotten about. Putting a silly photo with it grabs attention for the cause.

languagenerd

miss no stars wrote: »

I don't mind the no-makeup-selfie thing. I mean hell, it's just a picture with no makeup and a donation...

But I liked someone's status yesterday and got this message:



So I should lie to my friends and family in aid of cancer awareness? WTF? There's also no mention of a donation.

That bothered me.

Ah, this explains several statuses I saw yesterday! Eejits.

Obliq

languagenerd wrote: »

While there are undoubtedly bad elements to it (the notion that all women MUST wear make-up, the eejits just fishing for compliments, the people who think they're making some huge sacrifice), I don't think there's anything wrong with the campaign when people recognise it for what it is - a silly gimmick that's raised €1million here and £8million in the UK. A simple status saying "Donate to the Irish Cancer Society" would have got maybe 3 likes and been forgotten about. Putting a silly photo with it grabs attention for the cause.

This is true. My 15yr old was exclaiming about how he's now seen what his female mates really look like, and how different it was. We had a discussion about it that boiled down to the fact that it's raised lots of money for the Irish Cancer Society, has started discussions about self-esteem issues (and the "safety in numbers" way that young women have felt able to do a no-makeup exposure), and has made donating to charity into a talking point. Can't be a bad thing.

All the spin-offs? My fella put it simply: People like doing silly things.

SpaceTime

I have to say, most of them looked great without a ton of makeup on.
It can really make some people look very prematurely old.

As a bloke, makeup's not really something I have much experience of, but I guess it must be a bit of a 'mask' for some people.

Legs.Eleven

I was nominated there yesterday and just made a donation without the photo (but put a photo of the donation and the link to donate up). I didn't want to do it in the end simply because of all the controversy over it and I can see the two sides that people have given and felt it wasn't worth it for me personally and didn't really want to be part of t. I have to say, I did feel a bit of pressure and presumed that people would think I'm vain for not doing it (I have zero problem with myself without make up btw and only wear some mascara day-to-day and don't really care what kinds of photos are posted me on Facebook) and felt like I had to give an explanation (just gave the excuse that people wouldn't want to see my mug on their news feeds as I didn't want to create a hoo-ha over it and offend anyone). I felt stuck between a rock and a hard place and I didn't like that tbh.

Obliq

A friend of mine got nominated for the cock in the sock thing. Luckily, he keeps poultry. Cue photo of his large and angry looking cock(-adoodledoo) in a santa sock (only one big enough apparently) with "Take that, cancer!". Credit where it's due.

SpaceTime

Yeah, the male 'dare' is a little more extreme at the moment!!!

Legs.Eleven

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I was nominated there yesterday and just made a donation without the photo (but put a photo of the donation and the link to donate up). I didn't want to do it in the end simply because of all the controversy over it and I can see the two sides that people have given and felt it wasn't worth it for me personally and didn't really want to be part of t. I have to say, I did feel a bit of pressure and presumed that people would think I'm vain for not doing it (I have zero problem with myself without make up btw and only wear some mascara day-to-day and don't really care what kinds of photos are posted me on Facebook) and felt like I had to give an explanation (just gave the excuse that people wouldn't want to see my mug on their news feeds as I didn't want to create a hoo-ha over it and offend anyone). I felt stuck between a rock and a hard place and I didn't like that tbh.

Interesting how I felt I even had to make excuses here as well. I don't recognise myself here.

Obliq

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Interesting how I felt I even had to make excuses here as well. I don't recognise myself here.

Don't beat yourself up Legs! It shouldn't be such a big deal, whether you do or don't have a pic, but that's the nature of face book. We are all avatars.