No makeup selfie.

lukesmom

clairek6 wrote: »

Whats the harm, its raised a few hundred thousand for the charity

Then harm is people don't like to see others having a bit of fun and raising thousands in the process. They think we are being narcissistic and attention seeking.

JerCotter7

893bet wrote: »

I see all facebook as needless attention seeking, the above included.

Lets be honest anyone close enough to her that matters was there for the treatment and saw what happened so werent shocked/in awe etc. So why the need to broadcast other than to get the "you go girl" "kick cancers ass" responses.

Try going through it. Plenty of people that matter to you that you can't tell when going through threatment. So I'm sorry but that is an idiotic response. Most would never see you without hair either as that is always covered even around family members.

Obliq

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Try going through it. Plenty of people that matter to you that you can't tell when going through threatment. So I'm sorry but that is an idiotic response. Most would never see you without hair either as that is always covered even around family members.

Correct. I must say though, that the HSE has been amazing, in my experience (or rather, my aunt's recent experience). Did you know that the hospital provides beanies made from beautiful cotton and MILK fiber?! And the wigs are incredible. The staff at the Cork hospital are only fabulous - I'm SO grateful.

The fact that I don't go for the selfies is neither here nor there really. I also don't go for cute puppies and rainbow pics to promote Autistic spectrum awareness, even though my son is on the spectrum. I think there's as much whinging from those who approve of the selfies as from those who don't, but it matters not a flying f*ck. The money was donated, and the cause is good.

893bet

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Try going through it. Plenty of people that matter to you that you can't tell when going through threatment. So I'm sorry but that is an idiotic response. Most would never see you without hair either as that is always covered even around family members.

It is my experience, you may see that as idiotic. I have yet to see anyone keep the wig on at home past the first week or two of treatment.


Putting a picture of him/herself at their worst on facebook (assuming it is at their worst given they have just finished chemo) what does it achieve apart from fulfilling narcissistic needs?? nothing really apart from trying to make a statement (i.e. fullfil their narcissistic needs).

Muise...

893bet wrote: »

Putting a picture of him/herself at their worst on facebook (assuming it is at their worst given they have just finished chemo) what does it achieve apart from fulfilling narcissistic needs?? nothing really apart from trying to make a statement (i.e. fullfil their narcissistic needs).

That fulfils a need to say FCUK IT, which anyone who has gone through chemotheraphy or a mastectomy is more than entitled to.

I saw a series of self-portraits (selfies by actual photographers ) by a woman who had had a mastectomy and dressed herself up as an Amazon, to reveal the scar and a fcuk-you sneer. In Greek myth the Amazons were a race of warrior women, whose archers cut off one breast so it wouldn't get in the way of their bows. Kinda hard to google that now, since it's the most obscure use of the word 'amazon'. But she rocked, that single-breasted Amazon woman.

Obliq

893bet wrote: »

It is my experience, you may see that as idiotic. I have yet to see anyone keep the wig on at home past the first week or two of treatment.


Putting a picture of him/herself at their worst on facebook (assuming it is at their worst given they have just finished chemo) what does it achieve apart from fulfilling narcissistic needs?? nothing really apart from trying to make a statement (i.e. fullfil their narcissistic needs).

Well, I'd say it'd be a fair bit more difficult to appear in public with no hair than no make-up, but I could be wrong. I have done both, but neither bothered me in the slightest. I'm thinking it might achieve a more realistic stab at conveying CANCER than a freshly washed, rosy cheeked, perfectly healthy look. It does make a statement - an "I have cancer" statement.

A woman said to me yesterday that she wondered would they like to know how many times she'd vomited from the chemo, or perhaps a picture of the burns from it? I reckoned no - they only wanted an unmadeup look, but as I said, it doesn't matter really eh?

Obliq

Muise... wrote: »

That fulfils a need to say FCUK IT, which anyone who has gone through chemotheraphy or a mastectomy is more than entitled to.

I saw a series of self-portraits (selfies by actual photographers ) by a woman who had had a mastectomy and dressed herself up as an Amazon, to reveal the scar and a fcuk-you sneer. In Greek myth the Amazons were a race of warrior women, whose archers cut off one breast so it wouldn't get in the way of their bows. Kinda hard to google that now, since it's the most obscure use of the word 'amazon'. But she rocked, that single-breasted Amazon woman.

Was just now talking to the aunt about that! She had a dream about a famous film maker last night who was making a film about Amazon women, but he only wanted right breast mastectomies and she's had a left!

893bet

Muise... wrote: »

That fulfils a need to say FCUK IT, which anyone who has gone through chemotheraphy or a mastectomy is more than entitled to.

I saw a series of self-portraits (selfies by actual photographers ) by a woman who had had a mastectomy and dressed herself up as an Amazon, to reveal the scar and a fcuk-you sneer. In Greek myth the Amazons were a race of warrior women, whose archers cut off one breast so it wouldn't get in the way of their bows. Kinda hard to google that now, since it's the most obscure use of the word 'amazon'. But she rocked, that single-breasted Amazon woman.

Exactly. Nothing more than narcissistic need IMO. 1000 of woman dont bother doing it. Not because they are afraid to be seen or ashamed or anything but there is little to be gained unless you are a natural attention seeker. So forgive me if I dont laud the 'strength' of the attention seekers. I prefer the strong silent types..!

MadYaker

I thought this was nonsense in the beginning, but now everyone who does is donating 4 quid to the irish cancer society and so far they've raised about €200,000.

beks101

I think the fact that my newsfeed is full of selfies from the usual culprits who will take and filter and post shots of their faces from ten million angles for the facebook masses to like and adore and salivate over at the jump of a hat says it all.

Most of whom are still wearing makeup on the sly anyway.

Obliq

893bet wrote: »

I prefer the strong silent types..!

Excellent. :cool:

Muise...

893bet wrote: »

Exactly. Nothing more than narcissistic need IMO. 1000 of woman dont bother doing it. Not because they are afraid to be seen or ashamed or anything but there is little to be gained unless you are a natural attention seeker. So forgive me if I dont laud the 'strength' of the attention seekers. I prefer the strong silent types..!

Narcissism is not the same as attention seeking. That Amazon photographer was seeking attention in the best possible punk way. Everyone loves breasts - to bare the scar where a breast once was is a very arresting act. I'm glad I paid her the attention she sought.

GottaGetGatt

sinead88 wrote: »

What are people's opinions on this makeup-less selfie trend on facebook, supposedly to raise awareness for cancer? Personally, I think it's totally redundant. It has nothing to do with cancer whatsoever, and does nothing to help those affected by it. If anything, it's slightly offensive as it almost equates going through cancer with your facebook friends just seeing you without makeup on. Also, everyone is really quite aware of cancer already so a donation would be much more beneficial. It just seems like narcissistic fishing for likes and validation to me. I'm genuinely surprised that it's caught on.

Yera yeah,its only raised £2m in the uk so far and another €400,000 and growing in Ireland for cancer awareness...and you say it has nothing to do with cancer.? :rolleyes: get a grip of yourself ffs.Would you rather no-one post a picture and donate at all?

Zen65

Delaney Square Eel wrote: »

Everyone knows what cancer is at this stage. Post money, not pictures.

Sorry for not reading the whole thread before posting, but this is a key point I think. The advent of social media campaigns often subverts people into thinking that 'liking' and 'sharing' is equivalent to real action. Posting a pathos-laden status ("I already know which of my friends will") is one of the most daft ideas I've seen; it would be the equivalent of saying "wear a sad face this week to help us beat cancer" in the years before FaceBook.

People should not be given the false comfort that hitting a few 'like' buttons makes them a philanthropist.

!

893bet

Zen65 wrote: »

Sorry for not reading the whole thread before posting, but this is a key point I think. The advent of social media campaigns often subverts people into thinking that 'liking' and 'sharing' is equivalent to real action. Posting a pathos-laden status ("I already know which of my friends will") is one of the most daft ideas I've seen; it would be the equivalent of saying "wear a sad face this week to help us beat cancer" in the years before FaceBook.

People should not be given the false comfort that hitting a few 'like' buttons makes them a philanthropist.

!

Very eloquently put!

Eggy Baby!

bogwalrus wrote: »

I posted on Facebook my shaved testicles in aid of testicular cancer. Here is a pic. I think it might just spread.

Man, why did I click on that link....

FortuneChip

Ush1 wrote: »

I don't understand these types of things. I used to remember to raise money for a cause you actually had to do something difficult such as run a marathon.

I thought the actually "no make-up" selfie was a stupid enough way to raise awareness. But it's raising money too, so in my face!

As for doing something difficult. If a person raises money through running a marathon, fair play. If a person raises/donates money while also putting up a picture of herself without make-up, surely fair play again, no?

As I guy, I don't know how "difficult" is it for a girl to take one of these "no make-up" selfies, but from what I've seen from my friends, they're all donating money as well. Isn't the donation the most important thing?

Salty

MY CUP OF TEA wrote: »

Ok first off, I'm a lurker not a poster but after reading through this entire thread I had to comment.


Secondly, Not everyone who posts their pics are attention seeking airheads!!. last night I was nominated (for the 3rd time) I had actually already donated but had been really reluctant to put up a pic. Throughout school I had the worst skin and suffered years of soul destroying bullying. Ten years later, I never leave the house without makeup and the thoughts of taking it all off and publicly showing my face actually brought me out in a cold sweat. In the end I sucked it up and did it. As ridiculous as it might sound to men or to women who dont wear makeup..but it was a genuinely hard thing for me to do. I know people will say "well why did you bother then..it wouldnt have made any difference" but as far as im concerned, if everyone thought like that then the selfie craze would have lasted all of five mins and the ICC would be a 1/4 million worse off today!

At the end of the day, there is no difference in the €4 given by the anonymous donor and the €4 given by someone who also has a pic on facebook? Everybody needs to lighten up, enjoy the pics or stay off FB for the next day or two until this runs its course..

rant over...back to the shadows

I agree, don't see why participating automatically places you in the category of "narcissistic" and "attention-seeking". It's harmless and it's raised a lot of money in a small space of time. I have yet to see even one person on my newsfeed who didn't donate and who didn't give information about how to donate etc. People need to get a grip!

lukesmom wrote: »

Then harm is people don't like to see others having a bit of fun and raising thousands in the process. They think we are being narcissistic and attention seeking.

+1

People seem to jumped on a bandwagon of tarring everyone with the one narcissistic brush, which is wrong imo. It's the done thing to say that Facebook is stupid and everyone on it is a sheep and brainwashed.:rolleyes: I'm sure there are a few who make it all about themselves, but anyone I know who participated (including myself) actually bothered to donate and let others know how they could donate too!

Karen23

MadYaker wrote: »

I thought this was nonsense in the beginning, but now everyone who does is donating 4 quid to the irish cancer society and so far they've raised about €200,000.

The Irish Cancer Society today said €440,000 raised and still counting from no makeup selfies donations

Legs.Eleven

I think calling these women narcissistic is very OTT. The word narcissistic has very strong connotations and is bandied around too much these days. I genuinely don't know any narcissistic women (quite the opposite, in fact) and the women I've seen doing this would have their own insecurities about their appearance that they've all spoken about to me in the past.

Surely a woman can't be that narcissistic if they need fancy lighting and filters or whatever to bear all? Posting a photo of yourself on Facebook doesn't mean you're exceptionally fascinated with your appearance. If some women did it for likes, then they're hardly full of themselves if they have to resort to that? Am I missing something?

Do you genuinely believe those women are in love with their own appearance? Knowing as many women as I do, myself included, I highly doubt that.

Rhotheta

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I think calling these women narcissistic is very OTT. The word narcissistic has very strong connotations and is bandied around too much these days. I genuinely don't know any narcissistic women (quite the opposite, in fact) and the women I've seen doing this would have their own insecurities about their appearance that they've all spoken about to me in the past.

Surely a woman can't be that narcissistic if they need fancy lighting and filters or whatever to bear all? Posting a photo of yourself on Facebook doesn't mean you're exceptionally fascinated with your appearance. If some women did it for likes, then they're hardly full of themselves if they have to resort to that? Am I missing something?

Do you genuinely believe those women are in love with their own appearance? Knowing as many women as I do, myself included, I highly doubt that.

Narcissism and insecurity are different sides of the same coin.

Legs.Eleven

Rhotheta wrote: »

Narcissism and insecurity are different sides of the same coin.

Elaborate.

Obliq

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I think calling these women narcissistic is very OTT. The word narcissistic has very strong connotations and is bandied around too much these days. I genuinely don't know any narcissistic women (quite the opposite, in fact) and the women I've seen doing this would have their own insecurities about their appearance that they've all spoken about to me in the past.

Surely a woman can't be that narcissistic if they need fancy lighting and filters or whatever to bear all? Posting a photo of yourself on Facebook doesn't mean you're exceptionally fascinated with your appearance. If some women did it for likes, then they're hardly full of themselves if they have to resort to that? Am I missing something?

Do you genuinely believe those women are in love with their own appearance? Knowing as many women as I do, myself included, I highly doubt that.

I completely agree with you here. But I have to say it just stuns me every time that so many women are slaves to appearance. I know because I used to be. I can't exactly tell you at what point I started not giving a sh1t about "putting on a face", and realised that my own face was damn well good enough for ME, and the rest could go jump.....but I can tell you that it utterly saddens me that SO many women think it's such a big deal to show their real faces to the world. Why don't more women fight to get out from under the masks? Yes, we all have insecurities, but at some point we have to grow the fcuk up.

TBH, it offends me too, because it's nearly like saying to a woman who doesn't subscribe to this cover-up job that she is somehow being brave to be a woman with a bare face? Remind you of any other women anywhere in the world?

Femme_Fatale

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Elaborate.

I think they mean horribly vain people can be at the same time seeking validation from others, which I agree with - having had extensive experience of such a person.
But I agree with you too - I doubt every woman posting a no make-up selfie is fishing for likes, how can people be so certain of this? I'm sure plenty are fishing for likes, but I'm also sure plenty are just joining in with good intentions, and also donating. The funds raised speak for themselves, and sometimes it takes a "craze" to get the ball rolling to create awareness and raise funds - e.g. running a marathon (in fairness though, running a marathon is a lot more of an achievement than taking a no make-up selfie, but people still enjoy doing it) and growing a moustache for Movember (I cannot understand the criticism this gets either).

Legs.Eleven

Obliq wrote: »

I completely agree with you here. But I have to say it just stuns me every time that so many women are slaves to appearance. I know because I used to be. I can't exactly tell you at what point I started not giving a sh1t about "putting on a face", and realised that my own face was damn well good enough for ME, and the rest could go jump.....but I can tell you that it utterly saddens me that SO many women think it's such a big deal to show their real faces to the world. Why don't more women fight to get out from under the masks? Yes, we all have insecurities, but at some point we have to grow the fcuk up.

TBH, it offends me too, because it's nearly like saying to a woman who doesn't subscribe to this cover-up job that she is somehow being brave to be a woman with a bare face? Remind you of any other women anywhere in the world?

Physical appearance is valued in women more than anything in our society. Silly to pretend it's not. Imo it's particularly tough for young women when images of perfect women are becoming ever more pervasive. I see it around me: it's the young wans who layer it on and the older ones who don't. You get more confidence and give less of a fcuk as you get older shocker!

Most women just want to look presentable when they leave the house and for many, that involves make up. Doesn't mean they're slaves to anything though.

Who says most of these women ARE slaves to appearance anyway? Why assume that? Some are, most aren't, I'm guessing. My friends who posted make up-less faces most definitely are not.


I didn't hear too many people refer to them as "brave" (none, in fact), so not sure what the craic is there.

Timmyctc

Love how people get their digs in nice and quick and ignore the fact that this trend has not just been "Like if you h8 cancer" but has actually raised money. And a ****ing lot of money too. I'm all for it. I don't care if its a fecking "Necknominate" (bad example I know) for Cancer. Its raising money for a very worthwhile cause at no harm to all these naysayers.

Rhotheta

Timmyctc wrote: »

Love how people get their digs in nice and quick and ignore the fact that this trend has not just been "Like if you h8 cancer" but has actually raised money. And a ****ing lot of money too. I'm all for it. I don't care if its a fecking "Necknominate" (bad example I know) for Cancer. Its raising money for a very worthwhile cause at no harm to all these naysayers.

Then I assume you are happy that those digs are helping to raise money.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Been nominated way too many times and feel like I look stingy even though I've text a donation already, so tomorrow I am going to give in and take a selfie with no slap, and donate again and post proof. I am a sheep!!

Oh right, do you think ill be stunning in my natural state? Hardly

happyviolet

I think this is a great idea, a MILLION times better than the neknomination. Mainly because of the donation part now, had it been just selfies alone it would have been very fcking annoying, since it would not help whatsoever.

Strumms

Necknomination is ****ing great.... Self cleansing of the genepool... Anyone ****ing stupid enough to drink a pint half whiskey half bleach deserves anything and everything they get. What is it with the kids these days ? Any point in my human life or that of my peers had anyone suggested I pull some of that **** you'd just walk away and think **** that's some weirdo.... Now it's the reverse.... Idiots all.

As for this selfie nonsense... It's not for me but if it makes a few quid for charity and harms nobody then so be it.... Selfies.. Heh.. I think society has more worries people...

lukesmom

Well I'm a vain bit@h and love my makeup. My skin without make up looks pretty dull, dark circles under my eyes from too much smoking and coffee. But not only am I delighted that the selfie craze has led to massive donations, I've found it very liberating to bare my makeup less face with no special lighting etc. And yeah I've had the 'your lovely with and without makeup comments and one person said she loved my eyebrows which is strange and definitely a first. So apart from raising money and spreading awareness it has boosted my confidence, me being the narcissistic, attention seeking yoke that I am

Going by the attitude of some opposer's of the selfie craze I really should retire to a dark corner of the house and donate in secret, oh and then tell everyone on boards

Piliger

happyviolet wrote: »

I think this is a great idea, a MILLION times better than the neknomination. Mainly because of the donation part now, had it been just selfies alone it would have been very fcking annoying, since it would not help whatsoever.

Agreed. I have never dated a girl who wears makeup and would never do so. Most guys I know hate it too.

EDIT: My serious error. I should have talked about anything other than the absolute minimum makeup ... a bit of eye makeup is ok, and a super thin amount of face stuff. But lipstick makes me queezy, and it tastes godawfull ....

lukesmom

Piliger wrote: »

Agreed. I have never dated a girl who wears makeup and would never do so. Most guys I know hate it too.

Not even a bit of make-up??? Not talking about plastering it on but seriously you'd never date a girl or have never dated a girl who has worn makeup? She probably made it look natural but was still wearing it, there's an art to that.

Strumms

Piliger wrote: »

Agreed. I have never dated a girl who wears makeup and would never do so. Most guys I know hate it too.

I don't mind a girl with makeup on as long as long as it isn't caked on... That is quite a turnoff. There is a girl that works in our place.. Quite naturally good looking but my god with the makeup... It's almost as if she comes in expecting to be auditioning for Duffys circus.

Piliger

Apols ... edited my post above

Ann Landers

There's a social pressure element to it too, don't forget. You're nominated, and I'd imagine you might be considered curmudgeonly for not following through. Definitely not all the women who have posted selfies on my FB are vain.

Ann Landers

Piliger wrote: »

Agreed. I have never dated a girl who wears makeup

That you know of...

Tasden

lukesmom wrote: »

Not even a bit of make-up??? Not talking about plastering it on but seriously you'd never date a girl or have never dated a girl who has worn makeup? She probably made it look natural but was still wearing it, there's an art to that.

Yeah my boyfriend had been seeing me for a few months when he said "I love that you don't wear make up", when I told him he hadn't yet seen me without makeup
he genuinely didn't believe me, although having said that he didn't notice when I stopped wearing it, needn't have bothered at all!
I dunno if that means I'm using **** make up or I'm just really good at applying it to look natural

Strumms

Tasden wrote: »

Yeah my boyfriend had been seeing me for a few months when he said "I love that you don't wear make up", when I told him he hadn't yet seen me without makeupp

Yup.. I've used that line too

Rhotheta

Those who think it's brave to post no make up pictures need to actually become aware of the effects of cancer and find out what true bravery actually is. That's if they actually care about awareness.

Un Croissant

'So guys you know by now, donate 4e to charity. Or just post a selfie to raise cancer awareness.'

Aaaam what?

Rhotheta

Have a **** and raise awareness of prostate cancer by posting a picture of cock in hand.

sydthebeat

sinead88 wrote: »

What are people's opinions on this makeup-less selfie trend on facebook, supposedly to raise awareness for cancer? Personally, I think it's totally redundant. It has nothing to do with cancer whatsoever, and does nothing to help those affected by it. If anything, it's slightly offensive as it almost equates going through cancer with your facebook friends just seeing you without makeup on. Also, everyone is really quite aware of cancer already so a donation would be much more beneficial. It just seems like narcissistic fishing for likes and validation to me. I'm genuinely surprised that it's caught on.

Well this must go down as "foot in mouth" post of the year.

Obliq

Tasden wrote: »

needn't have bothered at all!
I dunno if that means I'm using **** make up or I'm just really good at applying it to look natural

It's the first one

It's a taboo topic - talking about the insecurities that women struggle with so much in terms of appearance. And they're all brought on by ourselves. I can nearly guarantee you that in a debate situation, where the merits/demerits of makeup were being debated, the women who are secure enough not to wear any would be loudly shouted down in a very defensive fashion.

I have learned it's not worth the debate (because I always lose this one!) and each to their own, but I do think it's fascinating that the make-upless ones are the baddies for showing up the women who won't leave the house without the slap. It's a self perpetuating problem. Girls in school learning how to apply the mask, followed by girls who are dating reluctant to even show their fella their own skin because the insecurities have become so entrenched. All supported by their mothers refusing to leave the house without makeup.

We're a strange and unhealthy animal at times...

The Backwards Man

sydthebeat wrote: »

Well this must go down as "foot in mouth" post of the year.

I dunno, I think the reaction of those such as the OP did a heap of good in giving people the kick up the hole to donate.

sydthebeat

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I dunno, I think the reaction of those such as the OP did a heap of good in giving people the kick up the hole to donate.

By saying it was redundant, offensive and does nothing to help ??

Try reading the past again.


Its the good will of those who actually took part that makes the difference, not the naysayers on the side lines.

The Backwards Man

sydthebeat wrote: »

By saying it was redundant, offensive and does nothing to help ??

Try reading the past again.


Its the good will of those who actually took part that makes the difference, not the naysayers on the side lines.

How much money was raised by previous facebook campaigns? As I said, I don't know, I'm just surmising, but I do know a quite a few of the donation receipts that appeared on my feed were the product of shame, not good will.

Anyways, much monies are being donated, that's what matters.

Legs.Eleven

Rhotheta wrote: »

Those who think it's brave to post no make up pictures need to actually become aware of the effects of cancer and find out what true bravery actually is. That's if they actually care about awareness.

How many people who've done it have actually stated it's brave though? I know the implication is there but it doesn't necessarily mean that most women see it that way. They might view it as taking them out of their comfort zones a bit as I think most women and men want to look their best in a photo of themselves but brave? How many have actually stated that? Seems to be the buzz word bandied around by the sneering critics than the women themselves.

sydthebeat

The Backwards Man wrote: »

How much money was raised by previous facebook campaigns? As I said, I don't know, I'm just surmising, but I do know a quite a few of the donation receipts that appeared on my feed were the product of shame, not good will.

Anyways, much monies are being donated, that's what matters.

Ageed, the donations are all that matters.
Im only taking about this campaign and I certainly do not see any significant element of people being shamed into it.
There may be a insignificant number.

Obliq

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

How many people who've done it have actually stated it's brave though? I know the implication is there but it doesn't necessarily mean that most women see it that way. They might view it as taking them out of their comfort zones a bit as I think most women and men want to look their best in a photo of themselves but brave? How many have actually stated that? Seems to be the buzz word bandied around by the sneering critics than the women themselves.

Well, I think it's more coming from the women who have openly stated that they had to think long and hard about showing their unmadeup face to the world. There was an interesting post a while back from a woman who talked about her skin problems and her insecurities. It IS quite brave, for women who wear makeup literally like it's a second skin.

I remember feeling totally naked for the first while I went without, before it became weird for me to actually put it on after a while! I don't dismiss the genuine problem a lot of women have with exposing themselves in this way.