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Light Colour Sound Festival - Shankhill Castle - Kilkenny - 4th & 5th July 2014
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Danger Fourpence wrote: »I'm sorry. You're basing your FACTS on how disappointed you perceived people to be over the weekend?
DvP
How did they blame volunteers here?
Dude, relax. I used the word Fact once and it was a poor choice. Poor word choices happen. Ive been quite clear that this is all based on my observation and understanding.
I've also specifically tried to keep my tone not personal, I am sorry if it came across that way. Honestly.
Right, I've been weighing in my observations, not in an attempt to invalidate DvPs reason for pulling out, which reading their fb reply they seem to think I'm doing. It's just people jumped to the conclusion it was a payment issue and what I was very very badly trying to say was: I really very strongly don't think it is based on x, y, z.
Why I thought they were divas was the way they replied to a lot of disappointed fans, not in a private message, but openly; 'it's in the festivals hands, you'll have to ask LCS, etc.' this paints everyone involved in the festival in a really bad light and undermines their 'we don't comment on festival business because it's bad for them and us' attitude
If it were me I would have announced it totally differently with a completely different tone. Even the 'catastrophic' comment seems to me unnecessary and diva-y/douchey and I think that's ok for me to have that opinion of how they handled it and for it to colour my opinion of their characters, even their reply to Paul has made me rethink my opinion of them and something along those lines seems to me would have been a less harsh way to let people know that shi+t went wrong.
That's all I was trying to say, I'm sorry I didn't get it right, did I do a better job this time?
I definitely fell into the keyboard crusader trap. 
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pervertedcoffee wrote: »Dude, relax. I used the word Fact once and it was a poor choice. Poor word choices happen. Ive been quite clear that this is all based on my observation and understanding.
I've also specifically tried to keep my tone not personal, I am sorry if it came across that way. Honestly.
Right, I've been weighing in my observations, not in an attempt to invalidate DvPs reason for pulling out, which reading their fb reply they seem to think I'm doing. It's just people jumped to the conclusion it was a payment issue and what I was very very badly trying to say was: I really very strongly don't think it is based on x, y, z.
Why I thought they were divas was the way they replied to a lot of disappointed fans, not in a private message, but openly; 'it's in the festivals hands, you'll have to ask LCS, etc.' this paints everyone involved in the festival in a really bad light and undermines their 'we don't comment on festival business because it's bad for them and us' attitude
If it were me I would have announced it totally differently with a completely different tone. Even the 'catastrophic' comment seems to me unnecessary and diva-y/douchey and I think that's ok for me to have that opinion of how they handled it and for it to colour my opinion of their characters, even their reply to Paul has made me rethink my opinion of them and something along those lines seems to me would have been a less harsh way to let people know that shi+t went wrong.
That's all I was trying to say, I'm sorry I didn't get it right, did I do a better job this time? I definitely fell into the keyboard crusader trap.
I've no problem with your opinion. IT's what you were trying to pass off as fact that bothered me. At no point did they mention volunteers or anything else you were trying to add to the debate. It's quite obvious they mean the festival organisers.0 -
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Danger Fourpence wrote: »Is that from FB? You got a link?
/lesacvspip/posts/607202549386972
i cant post links cos am under the threshold
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I was at this festival too, and while it was a bit of a slow burner, by Saturday the crowds really picked up. Kila had 6-800 dancing their socks off in the sun, ASIWYFA drew a massive crowd too at the other end of the night and also discovered some new smaller bands (like The Bagels).
It seems like the week or two leading up to the gig was fairly rocky for the organisers. Poor marketing must have led to poor sales. Some cancellations (Pip & the childrens activities that others mentioned), and there was no communication of late changes (can't bring your own booze into arena after all); particularly on the stage-times. There was no-where on site to get any information about current running times. It really was a lucky dip walking up to some stages. Even a big blackboard at each stage would have done the trick.
The layout of the arena was a bit confusing, particularly the 'faraway' stage as people got to calling it. Maybe that was changed at the last minute?
Safety was great, security seemed sound, production quality (once the bands finally got on stage) was high and I certainly enjoyed myself a lot.
My missus took a set of photos there for Goldenplec, if anyone wants to scan through the album it's on https://www.facebook.com/MichelleGeraghtyPhotography
My personal favourites from the album are:
The Raglans
Jerry Fish
King Kong Company
Whelans Tent
Wallis Bird
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I was at this festival too, and while it was a bit of a slow burner, by Saturday the crowds really picked up. Kila had 6-800 dancing their socks off in the sun, ASIWYFA drew a massive crowd too at the other end of the night and also discovered some new smaller bands (like The Bagels).
It seems like the week or two leading up to the gig was fairly rocky for the organisers. Poor marketing must have led to poor sales. Some cancellations (Pip & the childrens activities that others mentioned), and there was no communication of late changes (can't bring your own booze into arena after all); particularly on the stage-times. There was no-where on site to get any information about current running times. It really was a lucky dip walking up to some stages. Even a big blackboard at each stage would have done the trick.
The layout of the arena was a bit confusing, particularly the 'faraway' stage as people got to calling it. Maybe that was changed at the last minute?
Safety was great, security seemed sound, production quality (once the bands finally got on stage) was high and I certainly enjoyed myself a lot.
My missus took a set of photos there for Goldenplec, if anyone wants to scan through the album it's on https://www.facebook.com/MichelleGeraghtyPhotography
My personal favourites from the album are:
The Raglans
Jerry Fish
King Kong Company
Whelans Tent
Wallis Bird
ASIWYFA
There's some genuinely beautiful ones there! Was she the only female photog there out of interest? I think I remember seeing a lady photographer at the barrier for Overhead, but didn't see any photos for me to casually stalk them over ;P0 -
I was there, and it was absolutely great craic.
Yeah, it was a bummer that Sac'n'Pip pulled out (I don't think anyone actually gave a sh!te once everyone was there it was never mentioned), it was a bit too big/too many acts for the first time, and the stage times being all over the place was a nuisance for a lot of people, but f*ck it, it was soooooo much fuuuuuun!!! And isn't that what we're all there for really?
The crowd was amazing, the vibe was great, there were so many savage random acts that no-one had heard of before, and it was massive amounts of craic!
Here's a great video (soundtracked by RSAG) that might give some flavour of what it was like: http://vimeo.com/1000639520 -
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Looks like they've done a good enough job of this themselves.pervertedcoffee wrote: »Dude, relax. I used the word Fact once and it was a poor choice. Poor word choices happen. Ive been quite clear that this is all based on my observation and understanding.
I've also specifically tried to keep my tone not personal, I am sorry if it came across that way. Honestly.
Right, I've been weighing in my observations, not in an attempt to invalidate DvPs reason for pulling out, which reading their fb reply they seem to think I'm doing. It's just people jumped to the conclusion it was a payment issue and what I was very very badly trying to say was: I really very strongly don't think it is based on x, y, z.
Why I thought they were divas was the way they replied to a lot of disappointed fans, not in a private message, but openly; 'it's in the festivals hands, you'll have to ask LCS, etc.' this paints everyone involved in the festival in a really bad light and undermines their 'we don't comment on festival business because it's bad for them and us' attitude
If it were me I would have announced it totally differently with a completely different tone. Even the 'catastrophic' comment seems to me unnecessary and diva-y/douchey and I think that's ok for me to have that opinion of how they handled it and for it to colour my opinion of their characters, even their reply to Paul has made me rethink my opinion of them and something along those lines seems to me would have been a less harsh way to let people know that shi+t went wrong.
That's all I was trying to say, I'm sorry I didn't get it right, did I do a better job this time? I definitely fell into the keyboard crusader trap.
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Danger Fourpence wrote: »Looks like they've done a good enough job of this themselves.
Did you get your deposit?
Yeah, I really wish they'd just be open about all the adminy stuff in in the background. Cause even if the finances have gone tits up (I don't know one way or the other) at least people will know they're doing their best to get the bands paid (I'm assuming the best of their nature)
Yup, got my deposit, as did all the other volunteers. I got mine fairly much straight away because the lads had my contact details. There was confusion because they used Eventbrite to collect the deposits but then EFT'd deposits direct to our accounts. Admin delays I guess, I dunno.
I have also been told that bands have been asked for a grace period which hasn't yet passed. :pac: I'm hoping for all involved that all comes good. I will be so disappointed if that's not the case.
My guess is they were hoping to pay those bands with money from takings (I wasn't aware there were bands paid by cheque) which, let's face it, not hard to figure out there wasn't much in the way of takings... If my guess is right this doesn't make them immoral people, rubbing their hands together, vowing not to pay bands; it just means things didn't work out the way they would have hoped. 0 -
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pervertedcoffee wrote: »Yeah, I really wish they'd just be open about all the adminy stuff in in the background. Cause even if the finances have gone tits up (I don't know one way or the other) at least people will know they're doing their best to get the bands paid (I'm assuming the best of their nature)
Yup, got my deposit, as did all the other volunteers. I got mine fairly much straight away because the lads had my contact details. There was confusion because they used Eventbrite to collect the deposits but then EFT'd deposits direct to our accounts. Admin delays I guess, I dunno.
I have also been told that bands have been asked for a grace period which hasn't yet passed. :pac: I'm hoping for all involved that all comes good. I will be so disappointed if that's not the case.
My guess is they were hoping to pay those bands with money from takings (I wasn't aware there were bands paid by cheque) which, let's face it, not hard to figure out there wasn't much in the way of takings... If my guess is right this doesn't make them immoral people, rubbing their hands together, vowing not to pay bands; it just means things didn't work out the way they would have hoped.
So would I be correct in saying that you have just as much criticism for Halves as you do for DLS, seeing as Halves have also criticised the festival in public.
Grace period. Pull the other one.0 -
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pervertedcoffee wrote: »Yeah, I really wish they'd just be open about all the adminy stuff in in the background. Cause even if the finances have gone tits up (I don't know one way or the other) at least people will know they're doing their best to get the bands paid (I'm assuming the best of their nature)
Yup, got my deposit, as did all the other volunteers. I got mine fairly much straight away because the lads had my contact details. There was confusion because they used Eventbrite to collect the deposits but then EFT'd deposits direct to our accounts. Admin delays I guess, I dunno.
I have also been told that bands have been asked for a grace period which hasn't yet passed. :pac: I'm hoping for all involved that all comes good. I will be so disappointed if that's not the case.
My guess is they were hoping to pay those bands with money from takings (I wasn't aware there were bands paid by cheque) which, let's face it, not hard to figure out there wasn't much in the way of takings... If my guess is right this doesn't make them immoral people, rubbing their hands together, vowing not to pay bands; it just means things didn't work out the way they would have hoped.
You know for a fact that every single one of the volunteers got their deposits back?0 -
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