Here we go again...another "disposable" dog.

mosi

Not much to say here but it seems the neighbour has a new dog. The OH just spotted him with one. As it's dark out, he didn't get a great look at the dog, so isn't sure of breed but said it's maybe a staffy or pittie, or possibly a mastiff type pup...as I said he didn't get a good look, but it definitely is another RB.
It's just unbelievable...this keeps happening again and again and again. Mad timing as well...when I watched the Dangerous Dogs documentary last night, I just kept thinking of him...the guy with the pups reminded me of him especially.

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Not much I can do, we're not on speaking terms at all with him these days. I'll just have to make the relevant phone calls to report him. I'll have to give it a few days I guess, he'll probably be on his best behaviour for the first week. DSPCA have been out to him before so at least this time he'll show up on their system. I guess here's my chance to see if the new legislation is any good.

Pumpkinseeds

I really hope the new legislation is going to make a difference. Up until last Summer we had neighbours who'd been there a year. They had a lovely little dog that never ever got out of the garden, not even for a short walk. Understandably the poor dog was going crazy. She wasn't allowed in the house and when she barked to be allowed in, which was constantly, she was locked into a stone shed to shut her up.

When I rang the dog warden I was told that so long as she had food, water and shelter there was nothing that could be done. One Sunday their water tank burst and flooded the house so they had to move out. The landlord arrived and they were having to avoid treading in poop in the back garden as there was so much of it apparently. I often wonder what happened to the poor dog:(

Tranceypoo

FFS that same neighbour again!! You must be so frustrated and angry at this stage, I just can't believe what an a rsehole he is.

Can the new legislation do anything more now?

mosi

I've no idea if the legislation will help here. First time round, nobody would act as the dogs were no longer in his custody. The second time, they wouldn't come out as there was no proof he had done anything wrong with the two he had just acquired. I don't know the circumstances of when they did actually call out to him or if the dog he had then was seized or if he gave her away...his next door neighbours said that he told them he gave the dog away before the DSPCA called but the OH definitely saw him with the dog after their first call out. They called two or three times, I reckon he was probably pretending not to be in.
There has been a lot made in the media about the new legislation allowing for action before there is a serious welfare problem. How true that really is remains to be seen. This is 5 dogs that's he's had in the space of 18 months, it's just crazy. As far as I'm concerned, him having possession of a dog constitutes a welfare problem...whether any of it falls within the scope of the law remains to be seen. All I can hope for is that if he gets reported enough times, something will happen. If not, the cycle is just going to go on and on.

kinkygirl

OP, I know how you feel. Our neighbours seem to get a new dog every year, always kept in a filthy yard, no interaction with the humans. The local welfare society could do nothing, as the dog had water and a form of shelter, but finally last year, they removed the poor darling from the family. One month later...they get another dog!! My heart is broken listening to him cry and bark, he must be going insane...and once again, there is nothing we can do. :mad:

mosi

I'm just in the door having seen him with the dog, which was the first time I got a proper look. She looks like an American Bulldog pup. He approached me (as in crossed the road to talk to me) and things got a bit heated. He started going on about when the OH called him an idiot last summer when he wouldn't let him pet the Presa he had then. I don't know what point he was trying to make, but he was saying that the dog was too friendly with people which he didn't want. As he was talking he kept pulling the AmBull away from me, citing the same reason. At that point I just snapped at him and called him an idiot for failing to socialise his dogs. I probably shouldn't have, but I was in no mood to be dealing with him.
He claims that the dog is his daughters and that he's just minding her for a week. I don't know if that's true or not. With previous dogs he told other neighbours that he was just minding them. Whether or not the dog is his or lives with the daughters, no child owns a dog. This whole thing of deliberately undersocialising dogs is crazy, even more so with large, protective breeds...of course he didn't want to listen to that and stormed off when I got into it.

I'll be making my phone call tomorrow.

ferretone

Generally idiots remain idiots because they still aren't interested in learning anything. Staggeringly frustrating to try to deal with, so sorry you guys have to live so close to one, and watch him mess up one dog after the other. Really hope your phone call yields results this time :eek:

mosi

Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable...same story as before, nobody will come out. The woman on the phone was very short with me, she didn't even ask for his address or seem to care that they had been out there before. I got the same old spiel about food, water, shelter. If I can verify that the yard is filthy then they might come out...the only way to do that is to knock on his door or snoop around to catch a look and hope he doesn't see me. I've no reason to knock on his door and the latter option is too risky. I know they're probably up to their eyes in acute cruelty cases but it's unreal that this is allowed to keep happening.

Tranceypoo

mosi wrote: »

Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable...same story as before, nobody will come out. The woman on the phone was very short with me, she didn't even ask for his address or seem to care that they had been out there before. I got the same old spiel about food, water, shelter. If I can verify that the yard is filthy then they might come out...the only way to do that is to knock on his door or snoop around to catch a look and hope he doesn't see me. I've no reason to knock on his door and the latter option is too risky. I know they're probably up to their eyes in acute cruelty cases but it's unreal that this is allowed to keep happening.

So the new legislation (whatever it is) makes no difference to situations like this. That's great.

maggiepip

Mosi what about trying the government dept of agriculture hotline? with the new bill apparently they have to respond to domestic cases 1850 211 990.

mosi

Tranceypoo wrote: »

So the new legislation (whatever it is) makes no difference to situations like this. That's great.

To top it off, when I emphasised his previous form - and their visit - she said how some people cop on after a visit and become great owners. That may be, but not in this case.

maggiepip wrote: »

Mosi what about trying the government dept of agriculture hotline? with the new bill apparently they have to respond to domestic cases 1850 211 990.

That's a good idea. I see there is an email address as well...the history is making it all so long winded now, it might be more effective to do it in writing as well.

He has his kids over this weekend so I'll see if the dog is still with him after they go home. The OH was not too pleased that I had called so soon after a confrontation but I'm just sickened at seeing the cycle repeat itself over and over. He thinks that there may be something bigger going on that we should avoid. I won't say anymore about that here.

We'll see how it goes.

meoklmrk91

Oh Mosi I really feel your pain, this is getting beyond rediculous, I had followed your other threads about these individual. It is a something that happens up and down the country every day of the week sadly, very animal lover has a similar story.

Definitely try and make the phone call the dept. of agriculture, I will be making my own phone call during the week about a gang of dogs that terrorises my estate, they are left run wild, have been seen worrying cattle in the past, they chase cars and have had many untreated injuries as such, they have no access to proper shelter, food consists of, as far as I know, scraps thrown out the front door, their water comes from puddles, one of the dogs is supposed to be white but is grey with the dirt and his coat is so long he can't see and is full of matts but yet the dog warden can apparently do nothing.... Sigh. But as was pointed out to me by someone on here who had dealt with something similar if those dogs are taken away they will just get more so it's a can't win situation and it is so frustrating.

I can understand your partners apprehension here, these type of people, and there is a type, who consider animals to be disposable accessories can sometimes not be the nicest and could make things difficult for you. It's such a difficult one as by right people like this sould be banned from owning animals but that is not the way, I really hope the new legislation will do something but to be honest I am really, really sceptical.

mosi

After I last posted, I ony saw him with the dog a couple of more times so figured that he no longer had her. Anyway, two nights ago I was online and saw a found ad, from a few weeks back, for this dog. It was on a website but the finder had given his name so I was able to find him on FB, as I wanted to warn him not to give the dog back if he did find an owner. Anyway, it turned out that the OH had been talking to this same person earlier that evening...they had met when the OH was releasing mice. I messaged him, and he got back to me with pictures of the dog in her new home! She lives with a load of other dogs and won a prize for Best Rescue Dog at a local show recently! Like the Rottie x pup, she had just been thrown out onto the street.
So, a happy ending for this one but no doubt there will be more. The finder and I have agreed to keep each other posted if he gets anymore and to both report him. Maybe having a number of complainants will help. It's mad though, I wonder how many other people possibly have dogs abandoned by this scumbag!

Ashbx

OP if its such a big issue for you, take the risk and take a picture of your neighbours back yard otherwise you are just coming across as a nosy neighbour. Its the only way you are going to get anywhere with the DSPCA. They are full of dogs at the moment (trust me my friends needs to rehome her border collie and the DSPCA refused to take her!) so they wont take a dog unless they know it needs to be rescued.

Go get a picture of the yard and get this guy banned from being allowed to own dogs once and for all!

mosi

Ashbx wrote: »

OP if its such a big issue for you, take the risk and take a picture of your neighbours back yard otherwise you are just coming across as a nosy neighbour. Its the only way you are going to get anywhere with the DSPCA. They are full of dogs at the moment (trust me my friends needs to rehome her border collie and the DSPCA refused to take her!) so they wont take a dog unless they know it needs to be rescued.

Go get a picture of the yard and get this guy banned from being allowed to own dogs once and for all!

As I said in my last post, he no longer has this latest dog, as he ended up throwing her out onto the street.
I wish it was that easy to get a picture of the yard when he has a dog. It's not visible from anywhere outside the property. It's a strange set up, from the street it looks like a normal front door, but this door goes directly into the yard. The only way to get a picture is to stick a camera through his letterbox...I have of course considered this, but would obviously have to be certain that he was out.
I get the whole 'nosey neighbour' thing but I would have thought that, given the history with the two I took off him and the DSPCA' previous visit, that they would realise it goes beyond that.
Anyway, unfortunantely I'm sure I'll get another shot at it before too long.

Ashbx

mosi wrote: »

As I said in my last post, he no longer has this latest dog, as he ended up throwing her out onto the street.
I wish it was that easy to get a picture of the yard when he has a dog. It's not visible from anywhere outside the property. It's a strange set up, from the street it looks like a normal front door, but this door goes directly into the yard. The only way to get a picture is to stick a camera through his letterbox...I have of course considered this, but would obviously have to be certain that he was out.
I get the whole 'nosey neighbour' thing but I would have thought that, given the history with the two I took off him and the DSPCA' previous visit, that they would realise it goes beyond that.
Anyway, unfortunantely I'm sure I'll get another shot at it before too long.

Lets hope not!

mosi

Ashbx wrote: »

Lets hope not!

Well, it's been even sooner than I thought. Over the weekend, he acquired two Staffie pups.
I sent detailed emails to the Dept of Agri address and the DSPCA. The Dept of Agri called back but said the same as has been said before...it's all circumstantial so nothing can be done at the moment. There needs to be evidence of wrongdoing. In fairness, the woman was sympathetic and told me to ask for her if I call again, and that the email is recorded.
I also spoke to the guy who took in the last dog, and we're going to keep each other informed if we see anything that could result in a call out.
These two bring the dog count to seven in just over two years. I know I keep going on and on about this guy but I'm just so frustrated by not being able to get anywhere with this.

ShaShaBear

mosi wrote: »

Well, it's been even sooner than I thought. Over the weekend, he acquired two Staffie pups.
I sent detailed emails to the Dept of Agri address and the DSPCA. The Dept of Agri called back but said the same as has been said before...it's all circumstantial so nothing can be done at the moment. There needs to be evidence of wrongdoing. In fairness, the woman was sympathetic and told me to ask for her if I call again, and that the email is recorded.
I also spoke to the guy who took in the last dog, and we're going to keep each other informed if we see anything that could result in a call out.
These two bring the dog count to seven in just over two years. I know I keep going on and on about this guy but I'm just so frustrated by not being able to get anywhere with this.

It says a lot about animal welfare that he is STILL able to pick up restricted dogs at the drop of a hat. Surely the fact that he keeps targeting the "big-man" dogs would be enough to set off alarm bells! :mad:

mosi

ShaShaBear wrote: »

It says a lot about animal welfare that he is STILL able to pick up restricted dogs at the drop of a hat. Surely the fact that he keeps targeting the "big-man" dogs would be enough to set off alarm bells! :mad:

You would think that, but it seems the history has no bearing at all...even though there's only been a few weeks between the last dog and these two.
Unless I see them looking underweight or ill, or stick a camera through the letterbox to get a picture of the yard, there's nothing that can be done.
There are a lot of people who have posted on Boards about similar situations where nothing can be done. I know that the law is restrictive and that welfare officials are over run with acute cases...however, I think that there should be some sort of mechanism for monitoring of cases like this, something like an animal social worker. Even if it meant training up a voluntary force to investigate and follow up, that would be something.
I've been looking up about how to get his landlord's details (this was last week, prior to him getting these two) to complain...it seems the welfare route isn't working, so other avenues may need to be explored at this stage.

sillysmiles

It all points to how we need a dog owners list/register where owners are responsible and if the animal transfers hands then the register needs to be updated.