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Ivor Bell arrested and charged in Jean McConville murder investigation

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  • #1152
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    'Some people'.

    According to the poll, and as backed by the Press Ombudsman, "most people".


  • #1153
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Godge wrote: »
    According to the poll, and as backed by the Press Ombudsman, "most people".

    Would that be most people polled or most people in Ireland or the World?


  • #1154
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    alastair wrote: »
    Not according to Willy Whitelaw. He was quite specific that he was talking to IRA men, as was Seán Mac Stíofáin.

    And how the hell will would William Whitelaw know who he was talking to? Did he sit on the IRA Army council?


  • #1155
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Godge wrote: »
    No, it doesn't mean he has been found guilty in a court of law. But neither were any of the bankers found guilty in a court of law.

    Doesn't stop people believing Mr. Adams is telling lies.

    Doesn't stop some people believing the Guildford Four are still guilty even tho they have no proof to back it up just like with Ger.


  • #1156
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    And how the hell will would William Whitelaw know who he was talking to? Did he sit on the IRA Army council?

    I'm sure he was just as in the dark as Seán Mac Stíofáin was, eh?


  • #1157
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Would that be most people polled or most people in Ireland or the World?

    The Press Ombudsman found that in the context of the particular poll, the use of the phrase "most people in Ireland" was ok.


  • #1158
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Godge wrote: »
    The Press Ombudsman found that in the context of the particular poll, the use of the phrase "most people in Ireland" was ok.
    The Press Council decided to allow the newspaper's appeal in relation to the finding made by the Press Ombudsman on our interpretation of the poll findings regarding whether or not people believed Mr Adams was lying about having a role in the murder of Jean McConville.

    Please stop treating people on these threads as fools Godge. Please?


  • #1159
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Please stop treating people on these threads as fools Godge. Please?

    Most of the people on here are not fools, just like most of the people in Ireland believe Gerry Adams was/is a member of the IRA, just like most of the people in Ireland do not believe Gerry Adams on the Mairia Cahill meeting.

    As for the fools, I know full well who they are, and treat them as such.


  • #1160
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Any fool can see that what you selectively omitted (selectivity being a habit of yours) is the bolded bit below. Carry on.
    The Press Ombudsman found that in the context of the particular poll, the use of the phrase "most people in Ireland" was ok to use in our interpretation of the poll findings


  • #1161
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Any fool can see that what you selectively omitted (selectivity being a habit of yours) was is the bolded bit below. Carry on.

    How is that any different, in practical or logical terms?


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  • #1162
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    How is that any different, in practical or logical terms?

    Here is what Godge said:
    According to the poll, and as backed by the Press Ombudsman, "most people".

    What he should have said was;

    According to the Independent's interpretation of the poll, and as backed by the Press Ombudsman, "most people".


  • #1163
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Here is what Godge said:


    What he should have said was;

    According to the Independent's interpretation of the poll, and as backed by the Press Ombudsman, "most people".

    Who else do you think is going to be referenced, in a review of the validity of the Independent's article? The tooth fairy? The finding was that the use of the phrase "most people in Ireland" within the paper, in the context of the poll's findings, was acceptable.


  • #1164
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    Who else do you think is going to be referenced, in a review of the validity of the Independent's article? The tooth fairy? The finding was that the use of the phrase "most people in Ireland" within the paper, in the context of the poll's findings, was acceptable.

    Yes...and you should point that out to Godge too.


  • #1165
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yes...and you should point that out to Godge too.

    It doesn't need pointing out to anyone - the press ombudsman can only refer to the specific newspaper in question. It's a given.


  • #1166
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    It doesn't need pointing out to anyone - the press ombudsman can only refer to the specific newspaper in question. It's a given.

    It does to Godge, he tried to infer that 'most people in Ireland' believe something, when it is the Independent's opinion of a poll finding that 'most people believe something'.
    Like all polls, you won't actually know what Godge infer's until you actually poll everybody in Ireland.


  • #1167
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It does to Godge, he tried to infer that 'most people in Ireland' believe something,

    No he did not.
    Godge wrote:
    The Press Ombudsman found that in the context of the particular poll, the use of the phrase "most people in Ireland" was ok.

    Contexts:

    1. Press ombundsman, so clearly related to a press article
    2. Specific poll, so not a vox pop of the entire nation

    The 'inference' is crystal clear - it's exactly as he posted.

    What does the poll indicate? That most people in Ireland believe Adams was an IRA member.


  • #1168
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    No he did not.



    Contexts:

    1. Press ombundsman, so clearly related to a press article
    2. Specific poll, so not a vox pop of the entire nation

    The 'inference' is crystal clear - it's exactly as he posted.

    What does the poll indicate? That most people in Ireland believe Adams was an IRA member.

    Here is what Godge infers;
    GODGE wrote:
    just like most of the people in Ireland believe Gerry Adams was/is a member of the IRA, just like most of the people in Ireland do not believe Gerry Adams on the Mairia Cahill meeting.

    Did I miss a referendum on this?


  • #1169
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Did I miss a referendum on this?

    You clearly missed a poll on that, and continue to miss the context of that poll, and Godge's reference to that context.

    What does the poll tell us?


  • #1170
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    You clearly missed a poll on that, and continue to miss the context of that poll, and Godge's reference to that context.

    What does the poll tell us?

    The only way you can say;
    just like most of the people in Ireland believe Gerry Adams was/is a member of the IRA, just like most of the people in Ireland do not believe Gerry Adams on the Mairia Cahill meeting.

    is by holding a referendum (poll) of all the people.
    Never mind the membership part, has there even been an opinion poll on the Maria Cahill meeting yet? Yet Godge can speak for the entire country on that too.
    His claims are unproven and spurious.
    When you admit on another thread that the Independent have a proven anti SF agenda, you should advise Godge that he shouldn't even be using it to back up his cat litter tray much less an argument. ;)


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  • #1171
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The only way you can say;


    is by holding a referendum (poll) of all the people.

    Referenda are only for constitutional issues. So we can only utilise polls to make this judgement. The poll tells us that most people in Ireland believe he was an IRA member.

    The Indo's anti-SF stance has nothing to do with that people told the pollsters. They told them that they believed Adams was in the IRA. Quell surprise! :rolleyes:


  • #1172
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    Referenda are only for constitutional issues. So we can only utilise polls to make this judgement. The poll tells us that most people in Ireland believe he was an IRA member.

    The Indo's anti-SF stance has nothing to do with that people told the pollsters. They told them that they believed Adams was in the IRA. Quell surprise! :rolleyes:

    Most of the people polled said that. There is a difference and it is why we actually hold referenda and elections.


  • #1173
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Most of the people polled said that. There is a difference and it is why we actually hold referenda and elections.

    We never hold referenda on anything other than constitutional matters, and I've not heard of the election results having anything to do with measuring people's thoughts on an individual's membership of a paramilitary group.

    Polls, on the other hand - a pretty widely accepted measure on all sorts of regional and national issues.


  • #1174
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The only way you can say;


    is by holding a referendum (poll) of all the people.
    Never mind the membership part, has there even been an opinion poll on the Maria Cahill meeting yet? Yet Godge can speak for the entire country on that too.
    His claims are unproven and spurious.
    When you admit on another thread that the Independent have a proven anti SF agenda, you should advise Godge that he shouldn't even be using it to back up his cat litter tray much less an argument. ;)

    Rubbish, the Press Ombudsman said it was perfectly fine to say that most people in Ireland believe Gerry Adams to be a member of the IRA.

    They examined the poll and the methodology so unless you can show me that you are an expert in statistics I will defer to their opinion.

    Remember Gerry Adams made nine complaints about the Indpendent and six were thrown out, he lost 6-3.

    He has never sued anyone for saying he is a member of the IRA, neither is he suing Mairia Cahill. You don't have to be Einstein.....


  • #1175
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1030/655784-jean-mconville/

    Seems there has been some progress in this case.


  • #1176
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Godge wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1030/655784-jean-mconville/

    Seems there has been some progress in this case.

    So Ivor Bell before the courts, hopefully all involved in that murder will be called to account.


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  • #1177
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,725 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    whats this thread going to do now they've found there's no evidence?

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1030/655850-ivor-bell/

    aqquitted
    alastair wrote: »
    So Ivor Bell before the courts, hopefully all involved in that murder will be called to account.


  • #1178
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    maccored wrote: »
    whats this thread going to do now they've found there's no evidence?

    What usually happens on these threads.
    They'll make some up to suit their agenda's.


  • #1179
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Wonder is that the final nail in the coffin for the Boston Hames. :D


  • #1180
    Call me Al
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    maccored wrote: »
    whats this thread going to do now they've found there's no evidence?
    C

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1030/655850-ivor-bell/

    aqquitted

    Said solicitor Peter Corrigan, representing Bell. :rolleyes:


  • #1181
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,725 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Call me Al wrote: »
    Said solicitor Peter Corrigan, representing Bell. :rolleyes:

    always a good idea to read the article.
    District Judge Fiona Bagnall said the issue was not a matter for the magistrates' court.

    She said: "I am not going into other matters. That is not for this court."


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  • #1182
    Call me Al
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    maccored wrote: »
    always a good idea to read the article.

    I did. His brief is doing what exactly he's being paid to do and saying there's no evidence.
    I'm sure the PSNI will also have their opinion on the matter.


  • #1183
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Wonder is that the final nail in the coffin for the Boston Hames. :D

    They haven't gone away, you know.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/jean-mcconville-murder-voice-expert-enlisted-in-case-against-ivor-bell-30705309.html


  • #1184
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Hang on - I've just realised. maccored actually thinks he's been acquitted. :o


  • #1185
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Another arrest is this ongoing investigation.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/psni-arrest-man-58-in-connection-to-jean-mcconville-murder-30778713.html


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Storey


  • #1186
    Tramps Like Us
    Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    I'm sure Bobby will be out soon, sure he was only a child himself at the time.


  • #1187
    Tramps Like Us
    Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    And he's home for supper :)


  • #1188
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    It's nearly 43 years ago. There's a high chance the person who did it is dead by now.

    Also why is this case more high profile than the 45 year old women who was murdered by the para's in August 71 who 8 or 9 kids.? Obviously people killed by the IRA have more valuable blood than people who killed by others.


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