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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,217 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Forget America for a moment.

    If Ebola became endemic in the slums of Mumbai, Mexico City, Karachi, Capetown, Nairobi to name but a few, how do we expect to contain it? These places house millions of people, and there is barely any access to medical services or water or sanitation. If panic set in, people would leave the slums and carry their infection with them.

    We're overdue another viral epidemic and while the 'developing' world are the most at risk, it would be extremely difficult to contain it. (In Ireland, when we last had an outbreak of a contageous disease (foot and mouth), we burned hundreds of thousands of animals in fire pits and we still couldn't contain it from spreading across large geographic areas.

    We aren't "due an epidemic". On what basis are you making that statement?

    If it began to spread in slums in any of those countries it could potentially be a problem alright but you could bet there would be a serious lock down on those areas preventing anyone from entering or leaving. Even the kenyans would manage that much, it's a far more functional nation than any of the west african countries currently having trouble with the virus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    MadYaker wrote: »
    We aren't "due an epidemic". On what basis are you making that statement?

    If it began to spread in slums in any of those countries it could potentially be a problem alright but you could bet there would be a serious lock down on those areas preventing anyone from entering or leaving. Even the kenyans would manage that much, it's a far more functional nation than any of the west african countries currently having trouble with the virus.

    I meant 'due' in that it's surprising that we haven't had a major acute contagous disease outbreak in so long given how vulnerable we are to it.

    (note, this is not to discount the horrific effects that AIDS is still having, and the ongoing prevalance of other communicable diseases such as TB)


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,217 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Maybe it's because we aren't actually that vulnerable to it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    OldRio wrote: »
    You do know the amount of people that died from Spanish flu?

    Ah will ye stop, I am not talking about 1918/1919 - there was a question mark in my post...I was referring to an influenza outbreak in recent year that was compared to the Spanish flu and got everyone in a panic but then just melted away as per usual. My point is that this ebola outbreak is just more panic with little substance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Maybe it's because we aren't actually that vulnerable to it?
    Maybe.

    It would take an unlikely confluence of circumstances to create the perfect storm.

    It's not inconceivable that such a virus could emerge naturally in the wrong place at the wrong time and spread in such a way as to maximise it's impact. It's much less inconceivable that such a virus could be deliberately manufactured and released given our advances in biotechnology, but we've so far managed to avoid most of the hypothetical yet credible scenarios involving terrorists or rogue states. (But It doesn't mean that we'll avoid them forever.)

    I'm still undecided about how the world (as we know it) will end.

    3d printed nano nuclearbombs with advanced artificial intelligence is my current anniahilation of choice


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    PucaMama wrote: »
    i almost think the world deserves an ebola outbreak, if only to shut up the "it will never happen to us" crowd.

    ebola reston was an airborne strain, luckily non lethal in humans. all it takes is one more mutation.

    :pac::D:pac::D:)

    You've been watching way too much TV!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    And I heard there's an 82345823453% chance that we're all doomed.

    They don't have to track down everyone this dude came into contact with, they have to track down anyone who had contact with his vomit, feces, or other bodily secretions in the mentioned time period. I'm going to go ahead and say there's a 345762347% chance that that number will not be larger than 1.

    did you now thats nice. and actually yes they do need to track down anyone this person came into contact with after he started showing symptoms. to be prudent thats what they try to do. at least that will be the plan and what they will be attempting to do.
    Putin wrote: »
    Reasons unknown? Probably the same reasons children have often been sent home from A+E's with Meningitis ect. The reason being misdiagnoses. Mistakes happen and will always happen.

    he turned up at a hospital feeling sick and was turned away - for reasons unknown - thats what the report stated. I dont know why they turned him away that is what was reported.
    What does that even mean? Much ado about nothing, the US medical team will contain it very easily and quickly. It's not that difficult when you're equipped and know what you're doing.

    what do you think it means stop being silly will you and dont be getting humpy with me. according to the cdc and whoever in America Ebola have very little chance of arriving in the states. yet here we are. we shall see if they can contain it no one stated the Americans dont know what they are doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    so the Americans initially misdiagnosed this person, after travelling to the country from Liberia, and sent him home with antibiotics.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Doctors in America treating the first patient diagnosed with Ebola on US soil initially sent him home with just a course of antibiotics.

    It was not until two days later as his symptoms persisted he was finally admitted to the Dallas hospital and placed in isolation.

    Now, as the victim lies fighting for life in intensive care, bosses as the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital have launched an urgent investigation in to the handling of the case.

    Staff are still trying to identify all the people he came in to contact with in the six days before being taken in to hospital. They include his family and a 'few members of the local community'.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ebola-virus-first-victim-initially-4358062?

    knowing what youre "doing" starts with getting the diagnosis correct. lets hope they have learned their lesson.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    :pac::D:pac::D:)

    You've been watching way too much TV!!

    which part of my post is not true?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    WakeUp wrote: »
    so the Americans initially misdiagnosed this person, after travelling to the country from Liberia, and sent him home with antibiotics.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Doctors in America treating the first patient diagnosed with Ebola on US soil initially sent him home with just a course of antibiotics.

    It was not until two days later as his symptoms persisted he was finally admitted to the Dallas hospital and placed in isolation.

    Now, as the victim lies fighting for life in intensive care, bosses as the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital have launched an urgent investigation in to the handling of the case.

    Staff are still trying to identify all the people he came in to contact with in the six days before being taken in to hospital. They include his family and a 'few members of the local community'.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ebola-virus-first-victim-initially-4358062?

    knowing what youre "doing" starts with getting the diagnosis correct. lets hope they have learned their lesson.

    I don't know if it has been said if he is an American citizen? It's morning here and haven't caught up on the story yet. He probably doesn't have insurance. Not going to waste money on expensive treatment when they aren't getting paid for it are they? Maybe they made a judgement call, presumed it was likely to be something other than ebola and sent him on his way hoping they were right.

    Or maybe he didn't disclose he had been in Liberia? I've read a few things about people being in denial that they have it once it becomes apparent. Patrick sawyer for example.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I don't know if it has been said if he is an American citizen? It's morning here and haven't caught up on the story yet. He probably doesn't have insurance. Not going to waste money on expensive treatment when they aren't getting paid for it are they? Maybe they made a judgement call, presumed it was likely to be something other than ebola and sent him on his way hoping they were right.

    Or maybe he didn't disclose he had been in Liberia? I've read a few things about people being in denial that they have it once it becomes apparent. Patrick sawyer for example.

    from what I can gather it was on his second visit to the hospital that it was discovered he had arrived in the country from Liberia. on his first visit he presented with "non specific symptoms" and was sent off with a prescription. would they have asked about his travel history on his first visit or should they have? Im not sure. if its early over your way we will probably get more details as the day unfolds. I read about that sawyer chap too apparently he lost the plot and turned into a moonhowler in the hospital when told he had tested positive. if it was a judgement call it was the wrong one. and should they even be taking chances like that with something like this.

    _____________________________________________________________________

    CHICAGO/NEW YORK, Oct 1 (Reuters) - The first patient to be diagnosed with Ebola in a U.S. hospital was evaluated initially and turned away, a critical missed opportunity that could result in others being exposed to the deadly virus, infectious disease experts said.

    On the patient's first visit to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas last Friday, he walked into the hospital presenting "non-specific symptoms" and was sent home with a prescription for antibiotics, Dr. Edward Goodman, an infectious disease specialist at the hospital, told a news conference on Tuesday.

    On the second visit two days later, the patient, who has not been identified, arrived by ambulance, potentially putting at risk the emergency responders who transported the patient that Sunday. They have been quarantined but so far have tested negative for the virus.


    The two-day lag "is a critical point," said infectious disease expert Dr. Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota. "It is going to be very important to go back and look at this and ask basic questions about what happened and could it have been handled differently" so the patient was not in the community and at home for two days while he was contagious.

    If he appeared to have Ebola-like symptoms, asking about travel history should have been a tipoff to test for that disease, Osterholm said.

    "Once someone hits a healthcare setting, asking about travel history should be a standard question today," he said.

    http://www.trust.org/item/20141001144134-x3tye/?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    WakeUp wrote: »
    did you now thats nice. and actually yes they do need to track down anyone this person came into contact with after he started showing symptoms. to be prudent thats what they try to do. at least that will be the plan and what they will be attempting to do.



    he turned up at a hospital feeling sick and was turned away - for reasons unknown - thats what the report stated. I dont know why they turned him away that is what was reported.



    what do you think it means stop being silly will you and dont be getting humpy with me. according to the cdc and whoever in America Ebola have very little chance of arriving in the states. yet here we are. we shall see if they can contain it no one stated the Americans dont know what they are doing.

    add to that we have labour junior anti internet minister sherlock sent over, he will soon sort things out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    PucaMama wrote: »
    which part of my post is not true?

    Well this line was a doozy;

    "i almost think the world deserves an ebola outbreak, if only to shut up the "it will never happen to us" crowd."

    Is that "true"? :D:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    WakeUp wrote: »
    so the Americans initially misdiagnosed this person, after travelling to the country from Liberia, and sent him home with antibiotics.

    So fecking what? It happens. Hardly an outbreak. How many people did he share bodily fluids with is the question and I imagine the answer is 0 to 1.

    Sounds to me like you people want an epidemic, sorry it wont happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    So fecking what? It happens. Hardly an outbreak. How many people did he share bodily fluids with is the question and I imagine the answer is 0 to 1.

    Sounds to me like you people want an epidemic, sorry it wont happen.

    what do you mean I want an epidemic what sort of a stupid comment is that. you "imagine". well thats nice isnt it nothing to see here. sounds to me like you have very little knowledge as to what you are attempting to talk about. this thread is about ebola we are only talking about it. some of you appear to be quite touchy about this topic perhaps you shouldnt be reading about it. it matters because the two days he was out and about while contagious obviously means he was a threat to other people. or is that above the level of your comprehension? and you just want to have a pop at me. I never said it was outbreak though did I.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    So fecking what? It happens. Hardly an outbreak. How many people did he share bodily fluids with is the question and I imagine the answer is 0 to 1.

    Sounds to me like you people want an epidemic, sorry it wont happen.

    Well it shouldn't happen when hospitals have recently been briefed on how to handle ebola cases. A person walks in showing ebola symptoms and has recently returned from the centre of an ebola epidemic and was sent home. How many health workers did he come into contact with in the hospital? We already know that health workers are at increased risk of contracting the virus. How many family members were looking after him at home?

    The basic reproductive number of ebola is 4 so each case produces 4 more cases on average. Hopefully no one else has been infected but I wouldn't presume anything. I'm sure if they have then they will be isolated as soon as they start to show symptoms seeing as the world is watching now.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A second person, believed to be relative of the West Arfican man currently isolated with Ebola, now being monitored for Ebola

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Well it shouldn't happen when hospitals have recently been briefed on how to handle ebola cases. A person walks in showing ebola symptoms and has recently returned from the centre of an ebola epidemic and was sent home. How many health workers did he come into contact with in the hospital? We already know that health workers are at increased risk of contracting the virus. How many family members were looking after him at home?

    The basic reproductive number of ebola is 4 so each case produces 4 more cases on average. Hopefully no one else has been infected but I wouldn't presume anything. I'm sure if they have then they will be isolated as soon as they start to show symptoms seeing as the world is watching now.

    he presented to hospital showing non-specific symptoms. Ebola is not the first thing a doctor in Texas will think of when a patient presents with such symptoms. Perhaps if the idiot had mentioned he had jsut returned from africa he might have been treated differently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    WakeUp wrote: »
    what do you mean I want an epidemic what sort of a stupid comment is that. you "imagine". well thats nice isnt it nothing to see here. sounds to me like you have very little knowledge as to what you are attempting to talk about. this thread is about ebola we are only talking about it. some of you appear to be quite touchy about this topic perhaps you shouldnt be reading about it. it matters because the two days he was out and about while contagious obviously means he was a threat to other people. or is that above the level of your comprehension? and you just want to have a pop at me. I never said it was outbreak though did I.

    Probably means that you, like Azvaldo before you, sound like you're getting tumescent at the thought of an outbreak in a Western country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Probably means that you, like Azvaldo before you, sound like you're getting tumescent at the thought of an outbreak in a Western country.

    :D

    arent you the person who stated that they wont be attempting to track down people this infected person may have came into contact with. I mean, huh. thats the first thing they try to do. but dont take my word for it see here. talking about whats going on now equates to wanting to see an outbreak or an epidemic in some of the less informed eyes. what does one even say that.a case of basic puerile logic and "reasoning" if ever there was one.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    Well this line was a doozy;

    "i almost think the world deserves an ebola outbreak, if only to shut up the "it will never happen to us" crowd."

    Is that "true"? :D:pac:

    yes thats true. its well deserved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    WakeUp wrote: »
    :D

    arent you the person who stated that they wont be attempting to track down people this infected person may have came into contact with. I mean, huh. thats the first thing they try to do. but dont take my word for it see here. talking about whats going on now equates to wanting to see an outbreak or an epidemic in some of the less informed eyes. what does one even say that.a case of basic puerile logic and "reasoning" if ever there was one.

    I didn't state that they won't try to track down people this infected person they came into contact with. They don't need to track down 'everyone this person came into contact with' like you stated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    PucaMama wrote: »
    yes thats true. its well deserved.

    a truth should never be started with the words "I almost think"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    WakeUp wrote: »
    what do you mean I want an epidemic what sort of a stupid comment is that. you "imagine". well thats nice isnt it nothing to see here. sounds to me like you have very little knowledge as to what you are attempting to talk about. this thread is about ebola we are only talking about it. some of you appear to be quite touchy about this topic perhaps you shouldnt be reading about it. it matters because the two days he was out and about while contagious obviously means he was a threat to other people. or is that above the level of your comprehension? and you just want to have a pop at me. I never said it was outbreak though did I.

    you're rambling chief, have you been in contact with any West Africans or Texans recently?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    a truth should never be started with the words "I almost think"

    its an opinion, which can start with "i think, i dont think, i almost think.......etc"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Neil Diamond is reworking the lyrics of Sweet Caroline..Hands, touchin' hands, Reachin' out, touchin' me, touchin' youuuuuu


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭Red Pepper


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Neil Diamond is reworking the lyrics of Sweet Caroline..Hands, touchin' hands, Reachin' out, touchin' me, touchin' youuuuuu

    no....no he isn't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Can you give us the gist of it?

    No problem :)

    The gist was the investigation of claims that the US were preparing for a large scale outbreak of something pretty grim.
    I can't remember if they were new buildings or buildings previously used as prisons/detention centres that were visited by the people doing the investigation.
    The most certainly looked exactly like prisons one way or another, very high prison walls, barbed/razor wire(which was facing INWARDS to the facility) and two sets of fences surrounding the entire facility etc.

    They were being run by Homeland Security and FEMA.
    A couple of these centres were visited by the reporters. The reporters were met by a stereotypical "CIA" type dude and a spokeswoman, a lady, in the longest report.
    It cut back before you see the conversation to the reporters walking around the site. You could walk through a wooded area around the boundary of the building(which seemed very big indeed).
    It was said by the spokeswoman that the centre was a "residential facility".
    When asked who would be housed there that would need that level of security, the spokes woman wouldn't respond and left with the "suit"

    After leaving the facility, the reporters leave and are stopped and questioned by the police about their business at the faciilty.
    They are briefly questioned and then leave to go a few miles down the road to see a fenced in site surrounded by a wooded area. The site contains thousands upon thousands of stacked up "plastic grave liners". Coffins. With lids. That can accommodate up to 4 bodies. The site where the coffins are being "stored for peoples pre-needs" (as they say when they are told this, who the hell pre-needs that many coffins and lids?)is located on a railway line with direct access to both the storage/coffin place and it also runs directly into an airport.

    Basically, at the conclusion of the vid, it asks the questions of why are FEMA preparing for something of this scale and what exactly is it they are preparing for.
    And the very next day after the reporters had visited both the "residential facility" and the storage site for the plastic sealable coffins, all of the coffins were loaded onto lorries and moved.

    Guess its up to everyone to make up their own minds on it though :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Smidge wrote: »
    No problem :)

    The gist was the investigation of claims that the US were preparing for a large scale outbreak of something pretty grim.
    I can't remember if they were new buildings or buildings previously used as prisons/detention centres that were visited by the people doing the investigation.
    The most certainly looked exactly like prisons one way or another, very high prison walls, barbed/razor wire(which was facing INWARDS to the facility) and two sets of fences surrounding the entire facility etc.

    They were being run by Homeland Security and FEMA.
    A couple of these centres were visited by the reporters. The reporters were met by a stereotypical "CIA" type dude and a spokeswoman, a lady, in the longest report.
    It cut back before you see the conversation to the reporters walking around the site. You could walk through a wooded area around the boundary of the building(which seemed very big indeed).
    It was said by the spokeswoman that the centre was a "residential facility".
    When asked who would be housed there that would need that level of security, the spokes woman wouldn't respond and left with the "suit"

    After leaving the facility, the reporters leave and are stopped and questioned by the police about their business at the faciilty.
    They are briefly questioned and then leave to go a few miles down the road to see a fenced in site surrounded by a wooded area. The site contains thousands upon thousands of stacked up "plastic grave liners". Coffins. With lids. That can accommodate up to 4 bodies. The site where the coffins are being "stored for peoples pre-needs" (as they say when they are told this, who the hell pre-needs that many coffins and lids?)is located on a railway line with direct access to both the storage/coffin place and it also runs directly into an airport.

    Basically, at the conclusion of the vid, it asks the questions of why are FEMA preparing for something of this scale and what exactly is it they are preparing for.
    And the very next day after the reporters had visited both the "residential facility" and the storage site for the plastic sealable coffins, all of the coffins were loaded onto lorries and moved.

    Guess its up to everyone to make up their own minds on it though :)

    :eek: maybe it's time for me to move back to Ireland!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    :eek: maybe it's time for me to move back to Ireland!

    Don't book a ticket just yet :p:)
    Tbh, I posted about it as it was something I watched and found interesting.
    I do not own a tin foil hat nor do I have a bunker(:D)but I found this curious.
    It could be conspiracy theory nonsense, but it looked pretty iffy to me.


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