Ebola virus outbreak

Akrasia

Turtwig wrote: »

No not at all. That'd be outrageous! S/he's saying it would be ok to kill a billion people only for the unwanted casualty of a few hundred thousand elephants.

Killing them by supernuke would be far more humane than locking the doors to africa and letting ebola burn itself out as was suggested more than once on this thread

WakeUp

Akrasia wrote: »

One sure fire way to ensure that this disease becomes an out of control pandemic in the continent of africa is to close the borders and make international assistance even more difficult than it already is.

that doesnt make sense. a number of countries in Africa have closed their borders to keep ebola out. Nigeria has done the same. yet for some bizzare reason restricting travel and the movement of people to the west will "ensure the disease becomes an out of control pandemic". that doesnt add up. it makes no sense.

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Kenya on 10 October announced that it had closed the Suam border crossing (Trans-Nzoia county) with Uganda due to reports of an Ebola-related death in Bukwo district (Uganda). Earlier, the Kenyan authorities on 19 August suspended entry of passengers travelling from and through Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, excluding health professionals supporting efforts to contain the outbreak and Kenyan citizens.
Cape Verde on 9 October announced that it would now deny entry to non-resident foreigners coming from countries with ‘intense Ebola transmission' – Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia - or who have been to those countries in the previous 30 days.
Mauritius on 8 October banned entry to all travellers who have visited Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, Senegal and Congo (DRC) in the last two months, rather than just citizens of those countries, as was the case previously. The authorities have announced that entry restrictions for travellers from Senegal and Nigeria will be lifted on 10 October and 17 October respectively, if no further cases of Ebola infection are reported.
Seychelles on 8 October suspended entry to travellers who have visited Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Nigeria or Congo (DRC) 28 days prior to their journey, with the exception of Seychellois citizens.
Côte d'Ivoire has reopened in early October its borders with Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.
Equatorial Guinea is denying entry to travellers whose journeys originated in countries affected by Ebola.
Cameroon on 17 September reopened its borders to travellers from Senegal. An 18 August ban remains in place on travel from Nigeria, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged. The SADC provided no details as to how member countries will carry out the associated screening and follow-up and it is likely that countries will have individual processes. There are also reports that some countries require health documentation for entry. Travellers are advised to contact the embassy or health ministry of their destination country to clarify their individual circumstances and prepare their trips accordingly.
South Sudan has placed a ban on travellers coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo (DRC), or those who have travelled to those countries in the preceding 21 days. According to the health ministry, entry of travellers from Nigeria depends on their travel history in that country and whether they have visited Ebola-affected areas.
Namibia's foreign ministry on 11 September announced that foreigners travelling from countries affected by Ebola would be prohibited from entering the country.
Gambia on 1 September suspended entry of persons who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone or Nigeria in the 21 days prior to travel. Those travelling indirectly from any of the aforementioned countries to Gambia via another country also come under this measure.
Côte d'Ivoire announced on 23 August that it had closed its land borders with Guinea and Liberia.
Gabon stated on 22 August that it is restricting the issuance of entry visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria on a case-by-case basis.
Rwanda, according to the US Department of State on 22 August, has banned entry to travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the 22 days prior to travel.
Senegal on 21 August closed its land border with Guinea, while the country's sea and air borders will also be closed to vessels and aircraft from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Chad on 21 August closed its land border with Nigeria at Lake Chad. The country previously reportedly banned the entry of any travellers originating or transiting through Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone, with airlines serving the country reportedly rerouting flights.
South Africa on 21 August restricted entry for all non-citizens travelling from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government subsequently clarified that this was not a blanket ban and could be waived for 'absolutely essential travel'.

According to International SOS, these African nations "have implemented Ebola-related travel restrictions":

Gambia has banned the entry of flights from Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
Gabon has banned the entry of flights and ships from countries affected by Ebola.
Senegal has banned flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Cameroon has banned flights to and from Nigeria.Chad has suspended all flights from Nigeria.
Nigeria has suspended flights to the country operated by Gambian national carrier Gambia Bird.
Côte d'Ivoire has now lifted the ban on passenger flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
These airlines "have restricted flights to Ebola-affected countries":
Air France suspended flights to Sierra Leone from 28 August.
The Togo-based carrier Asky Airlines has suspended flights to and from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Arik Air (Nigeria), Gambia Bird and Kenya Airways have suspended services to Liberia and Sierra Leone.
British Airways has extended their suspension of flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone until 31 December.
Emirates Airlines has suspended flights to Guinea.
Korean Air suspended flights to and from Kenya from 20 August.
Senegal Airlines has suspended flights to and from Conakry (Guinea) until further notice.
https://www.internationalsos.com/ebola/index.cfm?content_id=435&language_id=ENG

so it appears African countries can lock down their neighbours though the thought of doing something similar in the west will make things worse apparently. because that makes perfect sense. hmmmm. right so.

Interesting contrast in how the UK media (proper media, not the rags) are dealing with the same exact story as the U.S. media

both articles say the same thing albeit as you have pointed out in different ways. "less than three people per month are likely to travel infected with ebola"

three too many, obviously. but sure keep the planes in the sky and dont restrict movement. is all good.

Creative Juices

WakeUp wrote: »

that doesnt make sense. a number of countries in Africa have closed their borders to keep ebola out. Nigeria has done the same. yet for some bizzare reason restricting travel and the movement of people to the west will "ensure the disease becomes an out of control pandemic". that doesnt add up. it makes no sense.

Who came up with the line in double quotes?

Creative Juices

#5 below...

What Nigeria did right;
Chukwu and Dr. Faisal Shuaib of the country’s Ebola Emergency Operation Center, broke it down

1. Preparing early. Nigeria knew it was possible a case of Ebola would make it into the country, so officials got to work early by training health care workers on how to manage the disease, and disseminating information so the country knew what to expect.

2. Declaring an emergency—right away. When Nigeria had its first confirmed case of Ebola, the government declared a national public health emergency immediately. This allowed the Ministry of Health to form its Ebola Emergency Operations Center (EOC). The EOC is an assembly of public health experts within Nigeria as well as the WHO, Centers for Disease Control (CDC), and groups like Doctors Without Borders. “[We] used a war-room approach to coordinate the outbreak response,” Shuaib said. “So you have a situation whereby government and staff of international development agencies are co-located in a designated facility where they are able to agree on strategies, develop one plan and implement this plan together.”
The EOC was in charge of contact tracing (the process of identifying and monitoring people who may have had direct or indirect contact with Ebola patients), implementing strict procedures for handling and treating patients, screening all individuals arriving or departing the country by land, air and sea, and communicating with the community. Some workers went door-to-door to offer Ebola-related education, and others involved religious and professional leaders. Social media was a central part of the education response.

3. Training local doctors. Nigerian doctors were trained by Doctors Without Borders and WHO, and treated patients in shifts with their oversight.

4. Managing fear. “Expectedly, people were scared of contracting the disease,” Shuaib said. “In the beginning, there was also some misinformation about available cures, so fear and inaccurate rumors had to be actively managed.” Nigeria used social media to to ramp up awareness efforts, and publicized patients who were successfully treated and discharged. “People began to realize that contracting Ebola was not necessarily a death sentence,” Shuai said. “Emphasizing that reporting early to the hospital boosts survival gave comfort that [a person] has some level of control over the disease prognosis.”

5. Keeping borders open. Nigeria has not closed its borders to travelers from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, saying the move would be counterproductive. “Closing borders tends to reinforce panic and the notion of helplessness,” Shuaib said. “When you close the legal points of entry, then you potentially drive people to use illegal passages, thus compounding the problem.” Shuaib said that if public health strategies are implemented, outbreaks can be controlled, and that closing borders would only stifle commercial activities in the countries whose economies are already struggling due to Ebola.

ProfessorPlum

Creative Juices wrote: »

#5 below...

What Nigeria did right;

...And I think this is a very important point that not many are making.(from the above article)

"closing borders would only stifle commercial activities in the countries whose economies are already struggling due to Ebola."

WakeUp

Creative Juices wrote: »

#5 below...

What Nigeria did right;
Chukwu and Dr. Faisal Shuaib of the country’s Ebola Emergency Operation Center, broke it down

1. Preparing early. Nigeria knew it was possible a case of Ebola would make it into the country, so officials got to work early by training health care workers on how to manage the disease, and disseminating information so the country knew what to expect.

2. Declaring an emergency—right away. When Nigeria had its first confirmed case of Ebola, the government declared a national public health emergency immediately. This allowed the Ministry of Health to form its Ebola Emergency Operations Center (EOC). The EOC is an assembly of public health experts within Nigeria as well as the WHO, Centers for Disease Control (CDC), and groups like Doctors Without Borders. “[We] used a war-room approach to coordinate the outbreak response,” Shuaib said. “So you have a situation whereby government and staff of international development agencies are co-located in a designated facility where they are able to agree on strategies, develop one plan and implement this plan together.”
The EOC was in charge of contact tracing (the process of identifying and monitoring people who may have had direct or indirect contact with Ebola patients), implementing strict procedures for handling and treating patients, screening all individuals arriving or departing the country by land, air and sea, and communicating with the community. Some workers went door-to-door to offer Ebola-related education, and others involved religious and professional leaders. Social media was a central part of the education response.

3. Training local doctors. Nigerian doctors were trained by Doctors Without Borders and WHO, and treated patients in shifts with their oversight.

4. Managing fear. “Expectedly, people were scared of contracting the disease,” Shuaib said. “In the beginning, there was also some misinformation about available cures, so fear and inaccurate rumors had to be actively managed.” Nigeria used social media to to ramp up awareness efforts, and publicized patients who were successfully treated and discharged. “People began to realize that contracting Ebola was not necessarily a death sentence,” Shuai said. “Emphasizing that reporting early to the hospital boosts survival gave comfort that [a person] has some level of control over the disease prognosis.”

5. Keeping borders open. Nigeria has not closed its borders to travelers from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, saying the move would be counterproductive. “Closing borders tends to reinforce panic and the notion of helplessness,” Shuaib said. “When you close the legal points of entry, then you potentially drive people to use illegal passages, thus compounding the problem.” Shuaib said that if public health strategies are implemented, outbreaks can be controlled, and that closing borders would only stifle commercial activities in the countries whose economies are already struggling due to Ebola.

and this is relevant to what is going on in the three out of control infected countries how exactly?...

WakeUp

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

...And I think this is a very important point that not many are making.(from the above article)

"closing borders would only stifle commercial activities in the countries whose economies are already struggling due to Ebola."

so lets keep the planes in the sky and let people travel to the west from the infected countries unrestricted and potentially endanger people and populations in other countries because what. it might hurt them economically. thats bad and all for them but phuck that. you know that way.

WakeUp

Creative Juices wrote: »

#5 below...

What Nigeria did right;
Chukwu and Dr. Faisal Shuaib of the country’s Ebola Emergency Operation Center, broke it down

1. Preparing early. Nigeria knew it was possible a case of Ebola would make it into the country, so officials got to work early by training health care workers on how to manage the disease, and disseminating information so the country knew what to expect.

2. Declaring an emergency—right away. When Nigeria had its first confirmed case of Ebola, the government declared a national public health emergency immediately. This allowed the Ministry of Health to form its Ebola Emergency Operations Center (EOC). The EOC is an assembly of public health experts within Nigeria as well as the WHO, Centers for Disease Control (CDC), and groups like Doctors Without Borders. “[We] used a war-room approach to coordinate the outbreak response,” Shuaib said. “So you have a situation whereby government and staff of international development agencies are co-located in a designated facility where they are able to agree on strategies, develop one plan and implement this plan together.”
The EOC was in charge of contact tracing (the process of identifying and monitoring people who may have had direct or indirect contact with Ebola patients), implementing strict procedures for handling and treating patients, screening all individuals arriving or departing the country by land, air and sea, and communicating with the community. Some workers went door-to-door to offer Ebola-related education, and others involved religious and professional leaders. Social media was a central part of the education response.

3. Training local doctors. Nigerian doctors were trained by Doctors Without Borders and WHO, and treated patients in shifts with their oversight.

4. Managing fear. “Expectedly, people were scared of contracting the disease,” Shuaib said. “In the beginning, there was also some misinformation about available cures, so fear and inaccurate rumors had to be actively managed.” Nigeria used social media to to ramp up awareness efforts, and publicized patients who were successfully treated and discharged. “People began to realize that contracting Ebola was not necessarily a death sentence,” Shuai said. “Emphasizing that reporting early to the hospital boosts survival gave comfort that [a person] has some level of control over the disease prognosis.”

5. Keeping borders open. Nigeria has not closed its borders to travelers from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, saying the move would be counterproductive. “Closing borders tends to reinforce panic and the notion of helplessness,” Shuaib said. “When you close the legal points of entry, then you potentially drive people to use illegal passages, thus compounding the problem.” Shuaib said that if public health strategies are implemented, outbreaks can be controlled, and that closing borders would only stifle commercial activities in the countries whose economies are already struggling due to Ebola.

so are you going to explain to me how the above is relevant to what is going on in the countries where this virus is out of control..you were saying?...

Creative Juices

WakeUp wrote: »

that doesnt make sense. a number of countries in Africa have closed their borders to keep ebola out. Nigeria has done the same. yet for some bizzare reason restricting travel and the movement of people to the west will "ensure the disease becomes an out of control pandemic". that doesnt add up. it makes no sense.

Are the words in double quotes your words or someone else's? just curious.

WakeUp

Creative Juices wrote: »

Are the words in double quotes your words or someone else's? just curious.

what are you on about? what double quotes..how about you answer the question I put to you..you were saying...

Creative Juices

WakeUp wrote: »

so are you going to explain to me how the above is relevant to what is going on in the countries where this virus is out of control..you were saying?...

The relevance is about closing borders. International airports are borders too.

Creative Juices

WakeUp wrote: »

that doesnt make sense. a number of countries in Africa have closed their borders to keep ebola out. Nigeria has done the same. yet for some bizzare reason restricting travel and the movement of people to the west will "ensure the disease becomes an out of control pandemic". that doesnt add up. it makes no sense.

These double quotes;

the movement of people to the west will "ensure the disease becomes an out of control pandemic"

WakeUp

Creative Juices wrote: »

The relevance is about closing borders. International airports are borders too.

eh, what? that isnt an explanation about anything. and if you think it is explain it to me... and no an international airport is not a border are you serious. as for whatever youre on about with regard to double quotes I was replying to another poster not you.

wexie

Creative Juices wrote: »

These double quotes;

the movement of people to the west will "ensure the disease becomes an out of control pandemic"

perhaps they meant : "makes it much more likely" rather than 'ensures' ?

Creative Juices

WakeUp wrote: »

eh, what? that isnt an explanation about anything. and if you think it is explain it to me... and no an international airport is not a border are you serious. as for whatever youre on about with regard to double quotes I was replying to another poster not you.

The bit I quoted from the Nigerian ebola response unit is below. They advocated keeping borders open.

5. Keeping borders open. Nigeria has not closed its borders to travelers from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, saying the move would be counterproductive. “Closing borders tends to reinforce panic and the notion of helplessness,” Shuaib said. “When you close the legal points of entry, then you potentially drive people to use illegal passages, thus compounding the problem.” Shuaib said that if public health strategies are implemented, outbreaks can be controlled, and that closing borders would only stifle commercial activities in the countries whose economies are already struggling due to Ebola.

Yes international airports are borders (you often bring your passport to international airports) - Nigeria does not have land borders with the 3 countries mentioned.

ProfessorPlum

WakeUp wrote: »

so lets keep the planes in the sky and let people travel to the west from the infected countries unrestricted and potentially endanger people and populations in other countries because what. it might hurt them economically. thats bad and all for them but phuck that. you know that way.

Try and see the big picture.

Firstly, nobody is suggesting unrestricted as you say. There is already exit screening in the affected countries.

More importantly, if a country's economy collapses, services will soon break down.
Services including healthcare, sanitation, transport, education, water, energy etc etc. All of the things that people need to survive and cities and towns need to function on a day to day basis. Once that happens, there will be no control of disease and it will become even worse than it is now. And that in turn will increase the likelihood of spread outside of the region.
Another factor in countries whose economies which have failed has been the rise to power of armed extremist groups. So that is another good reason to support the economies of struggling countries.

So it wouldn't be just bad for them if these countries failed. It would be very bad for all of us.

ceadaoin.

Creative Juices wrote: »

These double quotes;

the movement of people to the west will "ensure the disease becomes an out of control pandemic"

If you read the post it is obvious he is quoting the poster he is replying to who has said that exact phrase the quoted text is right above it.

Creative Juices

wexie wrote: »

perhaps they meant : "makes it much more likely" rather than 'ensures' ?

ok makes sense, I am guessing they are wakeup's own words now since he did not want to reply.

ectoraige

CelticRambler wrote: »

Well, seems like I spoke too soon. Press conference this afternoon to report on four cases of chikungunya virus infection contracted by innoncent French folk who never set foot outside their département. OK, so it doesn't kill you (but then neither does Ebola if it's treated in time) but you've got much better chance of catching it in on your Club Med holiday. :pac:

Just curious, when you said "we" hadn't a native case, who did you mean - the EU?

ProfessorPlum

WakeUp wrote: »

eh, what? that isnt an explanation about anything. and if you think it is explain it to me... and no an international airport is not a border are you serious. as for whatever youre on about with regard to double quotes I was replying to another poster not you.

That's almost funny! Of course an international airport is a border. That's why there are immigration/Border control officers present at them.

Creative Juices

ceadaoin. wrote: »

If you read the post it is obvious he is quoting the poster he is replying to who has said that exact phrase the quoted text is right above it.

Ah apologies I did not see it, I searched it but he had amended it slightly.

WakeUp

Creative Juices wrote: »

The bit I quoted from the Nigerian ebola response unit is below. They advocated keeping borders open.

5. Keeping borders open. Nigeria has not closed its borders to travelers from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, saying the move would be counterproductive. “Closing borders tends to reinforce panic and the notion of helplessness,” Shuaib said. “When you close the legal points of entry, then you potentially drive people to use illegal passages, thus compounding the problem.” Shuaib said that if public health strategies are implemented, outbreaks can be controlled, and that closing borders would only stifle commercial activities in the countries whose economies are already struggling due to Ebola.

Yes international airports are borders (you often bring your passport to international airports) - Nigeria does not have land borders with the 3 countries mentioned.

but you see airports are not borders. they are , you know, airports. people often bring their passports to prove their identity in all sorts of situations. like opening a bank account for example. banks are clearly borders too right. Nigeria and its geographical location is obviously different than ours. what might work for them doesnt mean it will work for us. the only way people can get here is by boat or plane. like Duncan did. unless they plan on swimming that is.

WakeUp

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

That's almost funny! Of course an international airport is a border. That's why there are immigration/Border control officers present at them.

right so when not talking about land borders then?...

ProfessorPlum

WakeUp wrote: »

but you see airports are not borders. they are , you know, airports. people often bring their passports to prove their identity in all sorts of situations. like opening a bank account for example. banks are clearly borders too right. Nigeria and its geographical location is obviously different than ours. what might work for them doesnt mean it will work for us. the only way people can get here is by boat or plane. like Duncan did. unless they plan on swimming that is.

You Sir, are clearly a fool if you believe that.

I invite you to travel to say, any London airport where they make it very obvious by having three foot high letters in their signage declaring you to be at the "UK Border"

Creative Juices

WakeUp wrote: »

but you see airports are not borders. they are , you know, airports. people often bring their passports to prove their identity in all sorts of situations. like opening a bank account for example. banks are clearly borders too right. Nigeria and its geographical location is obviously different than ours. what might work for them doesnt mean it will work for us. the only way people can get here is by boat or plane. like Duncan did. unless they plan on swimming that is.

You're very worked up aren't you.

Lets clarify what you want - do you want to stop all airplanes coming out of ebola effected countries?

ProfessorPlum

WakeUp wrote: »

right so when not talking about land borders then?...

tbh, I'm not sure what you're talking about now. Can you spell it out for me?

Creative Juices

gozunda wrote: »

There all fixed ...

Not for me...?

WakeUp

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

tbh, I'm not sure what you're talking about now. Can you spell it out for me?

no my mistake I had land border crossings in my mind as in countries geographical borders as opposed to airports.

WakeUp

Creative Juices wrote: »

You're very worked up aren't you.

Lets clarify what you want - do you want to stop all airplanes coming out of ebola effected countries?

yep. without being worked up I certainly do. do you want to take a risk of someone being infected getting on a plane and traveling to somewhere. is that a risk worth taking?..

Maximus Alexander

WakeUp wrote: »

is that a risk worth taking?..

Yes.