Mispronunciation/ Poor grammar that annoys you?

Judgement Day · 25-05-2014 10:06pm

It's a tad more complicated than just using an before vowels: http://grammartips.homestead.com/historical.html and I'm happy to go with an hotel as I read somewhere tonight that it's considered to be more refined.

25-05-2014 10:08pm

I say hotel, not 'otel, so for me it's "a hotel"
The h in hour is silent and a homophone with our, so an hour is fine

dxhound2005 · 25-05-2014 10:14pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

It's a tad more complicated than just using an before vowels: http://grammartips.homestead.com/historical.html and I'm happy to go with an hotel as I read somewhere tonight that it's considered to be more refined.

The An before a vowel rule does not always apply either.

A one legged man
A universal problem

megadodge · 25-05-2014 10:32pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The An before a vowel rule does not always apply either.

A one legged man
A universal problem

The 'an' comes before a vowel sound eg. the silent 'h' in 'hour'.

'One' has a 'w' sound rather than that of a vowel, hence 'a one'.
'Universal' has a 'y' sound rather than that of a vowel, hence 'a univeral'.

looksee · 25-05-2014 10:59pm

Quite and quiet.

It is quite difficult to have a quiet conversation.

ratmouse · 25-05-2014 11:07pm

megadodge wrote: »

The 'an' comes before a vowel sound eg. the silent 'h' in 'hour'.

'One' has a 'w' sound rather than that of a vowel, hence 'a one'.
'Universal' has a 'y' sound rather than that of a vowel, hence 'a univeral'.

That explains it pretty well actually.

Maximus Alexander · 26-05-2014 9:45am

The English generally (always?) pronounce 'h' as 'aitch', so 'a' wouldn't sound right. I Hiberno-English we tend to use a hard 'h', pronounced 'haitch', so 'an' wouldn't sound right.

It's one of the few things in written English that can give you a clue as to how the author speaks.

trashcan · 27-05-2014 10:01pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Trashcan does not agree. For him/her one must never say or write An before any word not beginning with a vowel.

How do you know I don't agree:cool: As a matter of fact I would say "an hour" as I pronounce hour as "our" I don't however say "otel", do you ?

Actually megadodge has explained it better than I was trying to. I agree "an" hundred;) per cent with him. It's the vowel "sound" that makes the difference.

dxhound2005 · 27-05-2014 10:32pm

trashcan wrote: »

How do you know I don't agree:cool: As a matter of fact I would say "an hour" as I pronounce hour as "our" I don't however say "otel", do you ?

Actually megadodge has explained it better than I was trying to. I agree "an" hundred;) per cent with him. It's the vowel "sound" that makes the difference.

I do sometimes say an otel in speech and lots of other people do. It just sounds natural to me to say something like: It was an hotel I always wanted to stay in.

Other times I might say something like: A hotel like that one is too expensive. I don't think it matters as long as people know what I mean.

aaaaaaaahhhhhh · 27-05-2014 10:39pm

People saying "Aksk", its pronounced "Ask"

garancafan · 27-05-2014 11:17pm

looksee wrote: »

Quite and quiet.

It is quite difficult to have a quiet conversation.

Quite.

shopaholic01 · 27-05-2014 11:27pm

Modren for modern. My new pet hate.

dee_mc · 27-05-2014 11:32pm

Safe-eh-tee for safety. Maybe it is correct, i don't know, but it's fcukin annoying.

Pat Custard · 27-05-2014 11:37pm

I should of went to work today but I couldn't of being bothered. I done other things today instead of going their. Theyre were loads of people out in the sun today. I seen a film in the cinema today.

dee_mc · 27-05-2014 11:39pm

Watching Vincent Browne, some woman keeps saying 'is is that', for example 'what the Labour party is going to do is is that they're going to....'
Jaysus...

Sam Kade · 27-05-2014 11:41pm

I was talking to a fella lately who insured his van with Setanta insurance through a broker, he said that he demanded that the broker should reimburst him

JumpShivers · 27-05-2014 11:48pm

'Got my lip did'.

Someone talking about their new lip piercing. DID? :pac:

Lyaiera · 27-05-2014 11:54pm

JumpShivers wrote: »

'Got my lip did'.

Someone talking about their new lip piercing. DID? :pac:

I agree with that. We all know the only thing you can get did is your hair.

garancafan · 28-05-2014 12:08am

dee_mc wrote: »

Safe-eh-tee for safety. Maybe it is correct, i don't know, but it's fcukin annoying.

Either fcukin' or fcuking.

dee_mc · 28-05-2014 12:20am

garancafan wrote: »

Either fcukin' or fcuking.

I stand corrected!

Galwayguy35 · 28-05-2014 12:32am

An ould fella around here was talking to me today and was commenting on how "Mink" Flanagan will get on in Europe.

dxhound2005 · 28-05-2014 12:38am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

An ould fella around here was talking to me today and was commenting on how "Mink" Flanagan will get on in Europe.

Well done for spotting that. My poor ears would struggle to hear the difference. Did he say he was heading to Crow Park on Sunday?

Galwayguy35 · 28-05-2014 12:50am

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Well done for spotting that. My poor ears would struggle to hear the difference. Did he say he was heading to Crow Park on Sunday?

No, I must ask him tomorrow and see what he says. Believe me you would hear him, he is deaf so talks very loud to make up for it.

colossus-x · 28-05-2014 2:26am

JumpShivers wrote: »

'Got my lip did'.

Someone talking about their new lip piercing. DID? :pac:

haha yeah ffs it's DUD not DID

syklops · 28-05-2014 2:34am

seen

As in "I seen today"

I see(n) it everywhere.

The you're/your stuff I can live with because it sounds the same, but seen just grates on the ears.

Jay D · 28-05-2014 10:46pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

you either speak correctly or not, the choice is yours.

Exactly, I have always chose to speak correctly in using this and not been some pretentious oaf. Whatever about the UK or US, it is wrong and sounds stupid when an Irish person says it. Thank God it's only ever been on the media I have heard it (which by the way I do my best to avoid these days).

bnt · 29-05-2014 1:26pm

Alun wrote: »

It's the same in the Motors forum ... cars seem to have 'breaks', and tyres (or worse still, tires :eek:) have 'threads' over there.

The breaks / brakes one annoys me no end, too. It's another case of homophones (words that sound the same) being mistaken. These mistakes happen less often when you understand the meanings of the words, not just repeat the sounds.

OldNotWIse · 05-06-2014 4:16pm

Still has to be inability (or unwillingness) to properly pronounce "ion" in a word. Simpletons that should be fuucking dragged out and shot.

A woman the other day told me she is from "Ballybunin" - so she LIVES in a place that has "ion" in it and can't be bothered to pronounce it right

LynnGrace · 05-06-2014 6:37pm

'Pitcher' for picture.

brooke 2 · 28-06-2014 1:16pm

People in the media - Áine Lawlor take note - who mispronounce Tuam as Tu-am!
It is as though they think they know better than those who have lived in the area for generations!!

mfceiling · 28-06-2014 1:32pm

brooke 2 wrote: »

People in the media - Áine Lawlor take note - who mispronounce Tuam as Tu-am!
It is as though they think they know better than those who have lived in the area for generations!!

That's actually meeja..

Shy Ted · 16-07-2014 6:58am

Sit-chi-ation for situation.
Mainly used in Norn Iron.

Retrovertigo · 16-07-2014 7:06am

Pretty apt for the thread.

marie12 · 16-07-2014 8:15am

Hearse instead of horse ...grrr

You may close that door. Oh really!

I used to work in a pizzeria and the amount of people who couldn't pronounce hawaiian was bewildering.

fxotoole · 16-07-2014 8:18am

People mixing up they're/their/there or our/are really does my head in. This is primary school level grammar fails, yet some uni grads can't even get it right.

kleefarr · 11-09-2014 9:59am

My gripe...

People that use BRING for everything.

The very common verbs bring and take are sometimes
troublesome for learners of English. One reason this happens
is because bring and take have almost identical meanings
but are used for different "directions" in English: bring
shows movement toward the speaker, but take shows
movement away from the speaker.

If A needs something and wants B to get it and carry it
to him or her, A says, "Could you bring ___ to me?"
(or "Could you bring me ___ ?").

If A has something and A wants B to get it and carry
it to C, A says, "Could you take ___ to C?" (B then
takes ___ from A and takes it to C.)

Maximus Alexander · 12-09-2014 7:55pm

Stop that, you'll bring this thread to a halt.

Bepolite · 12-09-2014 7:58pm

ppl dat abv. evryting just to use loads of puncuation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People that think a question requires 5 question marks.

People who type walls of text without even trying to paragraph it.

kleefarr · 12-09-2014 8:07pm

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Stop that, you'll bring this thread to a halt.

Just trying to take it to a different level.

LordSutch · 12-09-2014 8:31pm

kleefarr wrote: »

My gripe...

People that use BRING for everything.

Very true, as most Irish parents bring their kids to school, whereas they should take their children to school. I would also make sure they bring their lunch boxes with them.

garancafan · 12-09-2014 11:35pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Very true, as most Irish parents bring their kids to school, whereas they should take their children to school. I would also make sure they bring their lunch boxes with them.

Fascinating example (thanks kleefar) - wonderful subtleties and nuances:-

To me, one parent would bring a willing and compliant kid to school but another parent may have to take a child to school.

In either case they should both bring their lunchboxes.

kleefarr · 13-09-2014 1:50am

Suffice to say....

Practice here... http://freerice.com/#/english-grammar

sand678 · 13-09-2014 6:37pm

peoplw who say do be, i do be real annoyed with that....

Sam Kade · 13-09-2014 6:44pm

sand678 wrote: »

peoplw who say do be, i do be real annoyed with that....

Bad spelling

sand678 · 13-09-2014 6:45pm

Sam Kade wrote: »

Bad spelling

bad typing

ezra_pound · 13-09-2014 10:51pm

kleefarr wrote: »

My gripe...

People that use BRING for everything.

The very common verbs bring and take are sometimes
troublesome for learners of English. One reason this happens
is because bring and take have almost identical meanings
but are used for different "directions" in English: bring
shows movement toward the speaker, but take shows
movement away from the speaker.

If A needs something and wants B to get it and carry it
to him or her, A says, "Could you bring ___ to me?"
(or "Could you bring me ___ ?").

If A has something and A wants B to get it and carry
it to C, A says, "Could you take ___ to C?" (B then
takes ___ from A and takes it to C.)

In Ireland the use of take and bring are totally different to the use in the UK. In Ireland this is correct grammar.

Edit: as far as I know this has already been dealt with earlier in this thread. If not it has been dealt with elsewhere.

I presume you are not Irish.

Henry Sidney · 13-09-2014 10:52pm

ezra_pound wrote: »

In Ireland the use of take and bring are totally different to the use in the UK. In Ireland this is correct grammar.

Bullshït, it's just laziness or stupidity. "Hiberno-English is the usual excuse..." It is completely incorrect, along with the likes of "does be" and when people are "allowed do" something rather than "allowed to do".

ezra_pound · 13-09-2014 10:56pm

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Bullshït, it's just laziness or stupidity. "Hiberno-English is the usual excuse..." It is completely incorrect, along with the likes of "does be" and when people are "allowed do" something rather than "allowed to do".

Bring and take: Irish use of these words differs from that of British English because it follows the Gaelic grammar for beir and tóg. English usage is determined by direction; person determines Irish usage. So, in English, one takes "from here to there", and brings it "to here from there". In Irish, a person takes only when accepting a transfer of possession of the object from someone else – and a person brings at all other times, irrespective of direction (to or from).

Don't forget to bring your umbrella with you when you leave.
(To a child) Hold my hand: I don't want someone to take you.

ezra_pound · 13-09-2014 10:57pm

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Bullshït, it's just laziness or stupidity. "Hiberno-English is the usual excuse..." It is completely incorrect, along with the likes of "does be" and when people are "allowed do" something rather than "allowed to do".

How often do you say take an umbrella with you?

Henry Sidney · 13-09-2014 10:59pm

ezra_pound wrote: »

Bring and take: Irish use of these words differs from that of British English because it follows the Gaelic grammar for beir and tóg. English usage is determined by direction; person determines Irish usage. So, in English, one takes "from here to there", and brings it "to here from there". In Irish, a person takes only when accepting a transfer of possession of the object from someone else – and a person brings at all other times, irrespective of direction (to or from).

Don't forget to bring your umbrella with you when you leave.
(To a child) Hold my hand: I don't want someone to take you.

That does not in any way make it a correct use of English. If you want to speak Irish, speak bloody Irish. Otherwise please speak English in a way that at least does not make you sound incapable of structuring a sentence.

Oh, and remember the word "to" exists!!!!

Mispronunciation/ Poor grammar that annoys you?

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