Mispronunciation/ Poor grammar that annoys you?

Henry Sidney

ezra_pound wrote: »

How often do you say take an umbrella with you?

Any time I would be talking to someone about leaving the house in the rain. I would never say "bring" anything with you, it's simply wrong. Only the Irish would do that. Just pick a language and stick to it.

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Bullshït, it's just laziness or stupidity. "Hiberno-English is the usual excuse..." It is completely incorrect, along with the likes of "does be" and when people are "allowed do" something rather than "allowed to do".

Do you take your packed lunch to school to get good grammatical instruction?

No because you're Irish so you bring your lunch to school.

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Any time I would be talking to someone about leaving the house in the rain. I would never say "bring" anything with you, it's simply wrong. Only the Irish would do that. Just pick a language and stick to it.

Are you Irish?

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

That does not in any way make it a correct use of English. If you want to speak Irish, speak bloody Irish. Otherwise please speak English in a way that at least does not make you sound incapable of structuring a sentence.

Oh, and remember the word "to" exists!!!!

I didn't write that.

Henry Sidney

ezra_pound wrote: »

Are you Irish?

No I am not, just sick of hearing Irish people mangle the language whenever I have to go there.

Henry Sidney

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Bullshït, it's just laziness or stupidity. "Hiberno-English is the usual excuse..." It is completely incorrect, along with the likes of "does be" and when people are "allowed do" something rather than "allowed to do".

Dropping prepositions is a lazy thing, not an Irish thing
"I went to school Monday" is one that drives me up the wall, as well as "what happened it"

Henry Sidney

ezra_pound wrote: »

I didn't write that.

I know, it was a general comment.

Henry Sidney

bluewolf wrote: »

Dropping prepositions is a lazy thing, not an Irish thing
"I went to school Monday" is one that drives me up the wall, as well as "what happened it"

Never heard either of those. Certainly seems an Irish issue to me, don't hear it anywhere near as much anywhere else, even among the lazy speakers.

They drop them a fair bit in the USA

Henry Sidney

ezra_pound wrote: »

Do you take your packed lunch to school to get good grammatical instruction?

No because you're Irish so you bring your lunch to school.

....and Irish people speaking that way are exactly what puts me and many other employers off them. It sounds lazy, uneducated and simply wrong. I have never as would never recruit anyone who would risk the image of my company by speaking in this manner. There are intelligent people in Ireland who do not speak this way, but those who do seem to be growing in number.

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

No I am not, just sick of hearing Irish people mangle the language whenever I have to go there.

OK henry. jolly good.

Irish people, paddies... speaking English?

... It's just not cricket.

What what.

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

....and Irish people speaking that way are exactly what puts me and many other employers off them. It sounds lazy, uneducated and simply wrong. I have never as would never recruit anyone who would risk the image of my company by speaking in this manner. There are intelligent people in Ireland who do not speak this way, but those who do seem to be growing in number.

All Irish people use bring and take the hiberno English way unless they were raised abroad or have spent most of their adult lives abroad.

Henry Sidney

ezra_pound wrote: »

All Irish people use bring and take the hiberno English way unless they were raised abroad or have spent most of their adult lives abroad.

Or been educated properly.

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

....and Irish people speaking that way are exactly what puts me and many other employers off them. It sounds lazy, uneducated and simply wrong. I have never as would never recruit anyone who would risk the image of my company by speaking in this manner. There are intelligent people in Ireland who do not speak this way, but those who do seem to be growing in number.

Have you ever learnt the difference between good grammar and standard grammar?

Henry Sidney

ezra_pound wrote: »

Have you ever learnt the difference between good grammar and standard grammar?

I was educated at a Grammar School.

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Or been educated properly.

Or WERE educated properly.

Cough cough

Henry Sidney

ezra_pound wrote: »

Or WERE educated properly.

Cough cough

How terribly remiss of me, must be the Tanqueray.

The King of Moo

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Any time I would be talking to someone about leaving the house in the rain. I would never say "bring" anything with you, it's simply wrong. Only the Irish would do that. Just pick a language and stick to it.

"Anytime I talk to someone..." no? It seems strange to use a structure that is used to refer to a past habit when asked a present simple question, but I don't need to tell you that.
Maybe you might claim to have been using it in the Hiberno-English way to refer to a present habit, but obviously that would be bullsh*t. Just pick a language and stick to it.

ezra_pound

Henry Sidney wrote: »

I was
educated at a Grammar School.

Well many of the greatest linguists in the world would agree that the Irish use of take and bring is grammatically correct in Ireland - as the correct use of the Irish dialect. There is no official standard of English in the world.

I went to the Irish equivalent of what would be a grammar school in the uk, by the way.

Henry Sidney

The King of Moo wrote: »

"Anytime I talk to someone..." no? It seems strange to use a structure that is used to refer to a past habit when asked a present simple question, but I don't need to tell you that.
Maybe you might claim to have been using it in the Hiberno-English way to refer to a present habit, but obviously that would be bullsh*t. Just pick a language and stick to it.

For me it would be a past habit. I never ask anyone if they are taking their umbrella anymore. It rarely rains where I live.

garancafan

Henry Sidney wrote: »

No I am not, just sick of hearing Irish people mangle the language whenever I have to go there.

Perhaps I could mangle your last contribution into something intelligible:-

(I have) never heard either of those. (It) Certainly seems (to be) an Irish issue to me, (I) don't here it anywhere as much frequently anywhere else, even among the lazy speakers.

The King of Moo

Henry Sidney wrote: »

For me it would be a past habit. I never ask anyone if they are taking their umbrella anymore. It rarely rains where I live.

You should know them that it's considered standard to use the bare infinitive form of the verb, and not the present continuous form.
You don't want people thinking you're regional.

ezra_pound

Ok .

How can an entire nation of over 4 million people all be grammatically incorrect in their use of the words bring and take?

liz lemoncello

Shy Ted wrote: »

Sit-chi-ation for situation.
Mainly used in Norn Iron.

That reminds me of my father saying "Vigilize* this." when sharing an anecdote.

* "visualize."

ezra_pound

LordSutch wrote: »

Very true, as most Irish parents bring their kids to school, whereas they should take their children to school. I would also make sure they bring their lunch boxes with them.

But surely if they were using grammar school English they would take their lunch boxes to school. No?

ezra_pound

garancafan wrote: »

Fascinating example (thanks kleefar) - wonderful subtleties and nuances:-

To me, one parent would bring a willing and compliant kid to school but another parent may have to take a child to school.

In either case they should both bring their lunchboxes.

Again English grammar school children take their lunch boxes!

Bloody Irish! You just don't get it.

garancafan

Irish public school children bring theirs.;)

ezra_pound

garancafan wrote: »

Irish public school children bring theirs.;)

Yes. Because ALL people who learn English in Ireland do not use bring and take the way that any English speakers in the rest of the world do.
But this is not irritating to Irish people and it is not grammatically incorrect.

mickrock

Henry Sidney wrote: »

I never ask anyone if they are taking their umbrella anymore.

I never ask anyone if he/she is taking his/her umbrella anymore.

mickrock

Henry Sidney wrote: »

I was educated at a Grammar School.

Did your grammar school not teach you when and when not to capitalise?

Irish Stones

garancafan wrote: »

Perhaps I could mangle your last contribution into something intelligible:-

(I have) never heard either of those. (It) Certainly seems (to be) an Irish issue to me, (I) don't *here* it anywhere as much frequently anywhere else, even among the lazy speakers.

*hear

justback83

"Thigh-land intead of TIEland"

justback83

Oh - and "Kuala Lumpa" instead of "Kuala Lumpoor" - I think Raquel on Coronation Street went to "Kuala Lumpa". Someone actually corrected me on this one once...

3DataModem

People who don't pronounce the T in Moët.

The name ‘Moët’ is Dutch in origin, and this is why the pronunciation does not follow French rules.

I'm so embarassed

3DataModem

bluewolf wrote: »

I'm so embarassed

And even if it followed French rules, you'd pronounce the "T" because Moet is a contraction of Moet & Chandon, so the "T" is followed by a vowel.

3DataModem

3DataModem wrote: »

And even if it followed French rules, you'd pronounce the "T" because Moet is a contraction of Moet & Chandon, so the "T" is followed by a vowel.

only if you're actually saying the et, I would think, and there is an exception for names

whatdoicare

I had a teacher who said YERSTURDAY as yesterday.
Drove me insane for five long years!

eisenberg1

Back in the day, I knew someone who was trying to impress a girl, offered to take her to
the Carlington cinema

OldNotWIse

Drunk last night and was discussing college, exams etc with a friend and told him that if I worked as hard all year round as I do in the weeks leading up to exams, I'd be a progeny :P

FunLover18

Listening to Matt Cooper yesterday, a man I thought was incapable of making the 'th' sound, only for him to go and introduce his next guest THomas :mad:

englander

A scissors ?

Its a pair of bleedin scissors. Surely ?

gizmo555

FunLover18 wrote: »

Listening to Matt Cooper yesterday, a man I thought was incapable of making the 'th' sound, only for him to go and introduce his next guest THomas :mad:

THomas, THames, THailand, etc are all perfectly good Hiberno-English.

On the other hand, I was amused recently to hear Matt straining to achieve "proper" French pronunciation when introducing his guest, the actress Marion Co-thee-yard.

BattleCorp

gizmo555 wrote: »

THomas, THames, THailand, etc are all perfectly good Hiberno-English.

On the other hand, I was amused recently to hear Matt straining to achieve "proper" French pronunciation when introducing his guest, the actress Marion Co-thee-yard.

Matt also does a very impressive "Sahurday". :pac:

Long Gone

Hate it when inarticulate morons say thing like "We was...." or "The milkman never come yesterday..."

Also worked with an Indian guy once who either didn't know the word "ask" or was incapable of pronouncing it - It was always " I will axe him this ..... or I will axe someone that.... Really grated on my ears !.:mad:

Long Gone

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Drunk last night and was discussing college, exams etc with a friend and told him that if I worked as hard all year round as I do in the weeks leading up to exams, I'd be a progeny :P

At least it's better than been a bleedin' sex mechanic....;)

ezra_pound

Long Gone wrote: »

Hate it when inarticulate morons say thing like "We was...." or "The milkman never come yesterday..."

Also worked with an Indian guy once who either didn't know the word "ask" or was incapable of pronouncing it - It was always " I will axe him this ..... or I will axe someone that.... Really grated on my ears !.:mad:

Native Irish speakers have the same problem-speakers with English acquired later. They can run into trouble when looking for hard disks with greater capacity.

Long Gone

ezra_pound wrote: »

Native Irish speakers have the same problem-speakers with English acquired later. They can run into trouble when looking for hard disks with greater capacity.

Do you remember floppy disks ? Originally floppy disks (usually made by Verbatim) were actually floppy, about 6" in diameter. In Ireland / UK when the smaller 4" plastic encased disks came along and replaced the 6" disks we continued to call them floppy disks. In South Africa they (much more sensibly and accurately actually) called the new 4" disks "stiffie disks" or just "stiffies". When I went to work there I was a bit taken aback the first time our (really fit Africaans blonde .;)) secretary came over to my desk and asked me if I had a stiffie ! .:D

pickarooney

englander wrote: »

A scissors ?

Its a pair of bleedin scissors. Surely ?

it's just so long winded to be saying 'a pair of scissors', 'a set of compasses', a pair of trousers' when there's really no need for it. You can't have a scissor or a trouser.

FunLover18

gizmo555 wrote: »

THomas, THames, THailand, etc are all perfectly good Hiberno-English.

I completely disagree. Why not say the same about dis, dat, and dose

pickarooney wrote: »

it's just so long winded to be saying 'a pair of scissors', 'a set of compasses', a pair of trousers' when there's really no need for it. You can't have a scissor or a trouser.

'Pass me the scissors'. 'Pass me a scissors' just sounds wrong. Trousers would usually be used with possessive pronouns, my trousers, etc. and again 'the/these/those' would be the most appropriate definite articles to use. I don't think you can have a trousers either.