Xbox One General Discussion - Part 2 (Please Read 1st Post)

quad_red

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That is true but they shouldn't really be selling it as a 4K gaming console, I'd prefer if they sold it as a rock solid 1080P 60FPS console rather then the possibility of just up scaling to 4K, as you said even pc's can't hit 4K 60fps. It will still be the best spec'd console out there but I think we are a couple of years away from console 4K gaming!

Given the specs that's probably the best description of it.

But they can't sell Scorpio as a 60fps/1080p console when they've busted their balls trying to argue that the X1 was a 60fps/1080p console.

Savage stated that Xbox One has 32 MB of high speed ESRAM, that is placed right next to the GPU and GPU alone can see the Xbox One’s ESRAM. This helps GPU in giving a “very very high bandwidth output”. In this era of next-gen, applications demand a high amount of bandwidth to render scenes, that is why Savage says that “regular system memory is gonna be a huge win”.

This is how you get to 1080p, this is how you run at 60 frames per second… period, if you’re bottlenecked by graphics.”

Read more: http://wccftech.com/microsoft-xbox-esram-huge-win-explains-reaching-1080p60-fps/#ixzz4BjbhdMBA

Mickeroo

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That is true but they shouldn't really be selling it as a 4K gaming console, I'd prefer if they sold it as a rock solid 1080P 60FPS console rather then the possibility of just up scaling to 4K, as you said even pc's can't hit 4K 60fps. It will still be the best spec'd console out there but I think we are a couple of years away from console 4K gaming!

You are right, maybe they're banking on being able to take advantage of technological advances in the next 18 months? Would be a risky game as even if the console runs at 1080p with 60+fps as a standard it's going to get torn apart in the gaming press after the 4k claims.

Personally the main selling point for me is 1080p @ 60+fps rather than the 4k asnd I imagine that that will be the case for a lot of people. I'm not going to be gaming on a screen an bigger than 32inches max so 4k makes no odds to me (HDR is more important by all accounts I've seen unless you get a gargantuan screen).

qrx

CatInABox wrote: »

Unsurprising really, considering that even the latest graphics cards can't hit 4k/60 fps. The Scorpio won't even have the best GPU in it, so it was never going to get there.

But as this is a console, there will be developer guidelines on how to get 4K. Namely dynamic scaling where the vertical resolution shrinks on complex\busy parts of the game. Sorry, that helps keep the framerate steady but would drop the resolution below 4K

The other good thing about all this is, with play anywhere, you'll also get better performance out of a similar spec PC. you can basically build your own Xbox and upgrade components to match future Xbox upgrades instead of buying a whole new console. Although I'd imagine it would probably work out cheaper to buy the new console.

qrx

Mickeroo wrote: »

You are right, maybe they're banking on being able to take advantage of technological advances in the next 18 months?

That's exactly what they are doing. they looked into releasing a new console this year and with the specs 4K was not possible. I'd imagine they have talked to the industry and 6 TFLOPS is realistic at an affordable price by late 2017. I wouldn't be surprised if they are being a bit cautious with the 6 TFLOPS. What they've said is that developers have told them that they need 6 TFLOPS, doesn't mean there won't be more than 6 TFLOPS. Especially if Sony start bumping up their specs.

CatInABox

qrx wrote: »

But as this is a console, there will be developer guidelines on how to get 4K. Namely dynamic scaling where the vertical resolution shrinks on complex\busy parts of the game.

But if you're doing dynamic scaling, then you're not doing 4K.

Had a look around yesterday at some 4k/UHD tv's , no intention of buying just seeing what was currently out there. Price wise I certainly couldn't justify it and even if it could many of the ones in the 500-800 price range were lacking HDR support.

Come scorpio launch there will be better ones but not at a better price I fear.

JoyPad

Deleted User wrote: »

Had a look around yesterday at some 4k/UHD tv's , no intention of buying just seeing what was currently out there. Price wise I certainly couldn't justify it and even if it could many of the ones in the 500-800 price range were lacking HDR support.

Come scorpio launch there will be better ones but not at a better price I fear.

I just bought a new TV for my son's XB1. He used to play on an ancient 32" Samsung LCD, which was a bit small for my eyes, when we played together.

I had to look a lot to find a 40" LED TV under €500. Every store I asked in, they'd try to bump me up to UltraHD or 4K. No, I said, only need 1080p HD, not smart, not higher res, and lower price. They don't make them anymore, I was told.

qrx

CatInABox wrote: »

But if you're doing dynamic scaling, then you're not doing 4K.

You're right, my bad. This is what they did in Halo 5 to keep the frame rate at a steady 60fps.

But I wonder, is this what they mean by 4K gaming? Mostly 4K except for the busy parts? They call Halo 5 1080p and it's not always, I think Scorpio games will be the same.

qrx

JoyPad wrote: »

I just bought a new TV for my son's XB1. He used to play on an ancient 32" Samsung LCD, which was a bit small for my eyes, when we played together.

I had to look a lot to find a 40" LED TV under €500. Every store I asked in, they'd try to bump me up to UltraHD or 4K. No, I said, only need 1080p HD, not smart, not higher res, and lower price. They don't make them anymore, I was told.

http://euronics.ie/product/cello-42-inc-4k-tv-c42250dvb4k2k/
€399 42" 4K, no smart technology.

No idea about the brand (Cello), but if it's only for gaming does it matter?

Mickeroo

JoyPad wrote: »

I just bought a new TV for my son's XB1. He used to play on an ancient 32" Samsung LCD, which was a bit small for my eyes, when we played together.

I had to look a lot to find a 40" LED TV under €500. Every store I asked in, they'd try to bump me up to UltraHD or 4K. No, I said, only need 1080p HD, not smart, not higher res, and lower price. They don't make them anymore, I was told.

Worth keeping an eye on the richer sounds talk to forum here, theyve a few good deals going in this thread: http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057610230

qrx

Personally I'm going for the dual setup. I've had a Sony 1080p for 9 years now and still going strong. I won't buy any other brand (LG might be tempting but will need to be a compelling reason). I'm waiting for 4K HDR to be affordable, which will probably be January sales 2018. Then it'll be a new Scorpio and 4K tv for the living room, while the game room sticks with 32" 1080p + xbox one. I'll happily switch between playing the scorpio and xbox one depending on which room is available.

JoyPad

qrx wrote: »

http://euronics.ie/product/cello-42-inc-4k-tv-c42250dvb4k2k/
€399 42" 4K, no smart technology.

No idea about the brand (Cello), but if it's only for gaming does it matter?

Yeah, but I wanted (1) a known brand, and (2) to see it in a store.
I was actually looking for a 40" Samsung, which D.I.D. and Curry still displayed, but had none left in stock. And I didn't want the one that had been on display for 2 years.

I ended up purchasing a 40" Sony, which is Smart (not that my son will ever use that), and cost only €429.

Also, the TV must have been no bigger than 40", based on space available in his bedroom. Seriously, I had a measuring tape with me and actually measured a couple of the TVs in several stores. I'm old fashioned that way

TitianGerm

JoyPad wrote: »

I just bought a new TV for my son's XB1. He used to play on an ancient 32" Samsung LCD, which was a bit small for my eyes, when we played together.

I had to look a lot to find a 40" LED TV under €500. Every store I asked in, they'd try to bump me up to UltraHD or 4K. No, I said, only need 1080p HD, not smart, not higher res, and lower price. They don't make them anymore, I was told.

RicherSounds are your friends so. They have a Talk To Forum on Boards.

I got a 40 inch 4K LG for €329 off them a few months ago (ex display and 6 year warranty) and it's been perfect so far.

Edit: I see Mickroo singing their praises as well.

qrx

JoyPad wrote: »

Yeah, but I wanted (1) a known brand, and (2) to see it in a store.
I was actually looking for a 40" Samsung, which D.I.D. and Curry still displayed, but had none left in stock. And I didn't want the one that had been on display for 2 years.

I ended up purchasing a 40" Sony, which is Smart (not that my son will ever use that), and cost only €429.

Also, the TV must have been no bigger than 40", based on space available in his bedroom. Seriously, I had a measuring tape with me and actually measured a couple of the TVs in several stores. I'm old fashioned that way

Sounds like a good deal for a Sony. Paid about that not too long ago for a 32" HD Samsung.

MilesMorales1

I pre ordered my 1TB today. I got my 4K tv for €606 I think it was? Love it.

MiskyBoyy

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I pre ordered my 1TB today.

1TB Slim?

TitianGerm

GameStop are doing a trade in on the 2TB.

MiskyBoyy

emmetkenny wrote: »

GameStop are doing a trade in on the 2TB.

How much will they gave me for my 2TB XB1? :rolleyes:

TitianGerm

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

How much will they gave me for my 2TB XB1? :rolleyes:

Did you fit your own drive?

MiskyBoyy

emmetkenny wrote: »

Did you fit your own drive?

Yeah. I posted it back in the old hardware discussion thread. Starts on #93 if you're interested: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057331167&page=3

miralize

emmetkenny wrote: »

GameStop are doing a trade in on the 2TB.

can you post the link to that promo?

pleasant Co.

qrx wrote: »

Sounds like a good deal for a Sony. Paid about that not too long ago for a 32" HD Samsung.

The sony TV brand isn't the sony tv brand of old sadly, you may pay a premium price but you're not getting a premium brand. Chances are - depending on model - your samsung is a better set.

TitianGerm

miralize wrote: »

can you post the link to that promo?

One of the lads just sent the screenshot above. Didn't see the link myself.

MiskyBoyy

miralize wrote: »

can you post the link to that promo?

https://www.gamestop.ie/xboxones-upgrade

Gizmo55

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

https://www.gamestop.ie/xboxones-upgrade

So, they're basically giving you €160 for a 500gb Xbox One console? No thanks.

MiskyBoyy

Gizmo55 wrote: »

So, they're basically giving you €160 for a 500gb Xbox One console? No thanks.

Still more than CeX currently give. (€151 without box, €156 with box)

MilesMorales1

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

1TB Slim?

Yeah. I wonder if that deal will apply to the 1TB console? Cos I might sell my PS4 to get this while the PS4 still gets a decent value, then buy a neos later in the year.

Gizmo55

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

Still more than CeX currently give. (€151 without box, €156 with box)

That's true. I'd personally just sell it myself on adverts.ie

MiskyBoyy

Phil Spencer said yesterday there were some big b.c games coming tomorrow, now this was spotted on new preview store:

Is it happening? :eek:

Allyall

Does anyone know how long that deal is good for?
If I was to agree/sign up to trade in my Xbox one today, would I have to be without one until August?