Liveline Thread 27/03/14 to date

withless

Actually fair play to this woman, she has put her cards on the table and her campaign makes sense.

neris

Dan Jaman wrote: »

"When did you realise?"
FFS, is there any end to this man's probing of death misery?

No

SEPT 23 1989

just cry thats all he really wants

Sittingpretty

withless wrote: »

Actually fair play to this woman, she has put her cards on the table and her campaign makes sense.

Exactly, and this is a very recent loss for her.

Truly tragic loss and I'm sure she's blamed herself a thousand times and will probably never be done thinking "if only".

joe6pack

I would definitely sign that petition....
If I had a pen

Dan Jaman

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Exactly, and this is a very recent loss for her.

Truly tragic loss and I'm sure she's blamed herself a thousand times and will probably never be done thinking "if only".

We'll never know if the epi-pen would have worked, but it's shocking the pharmacist refused to hand one over. Utterly disgraceful.

Sittingpretty

Dan Jaman wrote: »

We'll never know if the epi-pen would have worked, but it's shocking the pharmacist refused to hand one over. Utterly disgraceful.

I agree with you but at the same time I can see how it happened.

People are allowed little discretion at work with current processes and procedure.

BPKS

Dan Jaman wrote: »

We'll never know if the epi-pen would have worked, but it's shocking the pharmacist refused to hand one over. Utterly disgraceful.

My understanding is you need a prescription for one? So how is it utterly disgraceful? Ever heard of medical malpractice?

pc7

Dan Jaman wrote: »

We'll never know if the epi-pen would have worked, but it's shocking the pharmacist refused to hand one over. Utterly disgraceful.

Walk down O'Connell Street at that time in the evening on a dark winter night, it is like something out of the Walking Dead with the amount of junkies. It is tragic and awful, perhaps if they had have brought her into the chemist maybe they would have understood and risked it, but they'd be risking everything administering it (I would think). The mother was highly upset may not have been coherent for all they knew it was someone chancing their arm. The time involved was very short too.

PauloMN

BPKS wrote: »

My understanding is you need a prescription for one? So how is it utterly disgraceful? Ever heard of medical malpractice?

Sad that we have become so consumed by legal action that we'd choose not to help out a person who was obviously clearly in big trouble.

I think that case would be pretty easy to distinguish from a junkie or whatever coming in looking for something.

Dublin_Mom

why do people always expect someone else to educate them, support them, spoonfeed them?

For heavens sake read up on it yourself and educate yourself, I really despair of this mentality of thinking everyone else should do things for you

Its your kid, your responsibility

Roger_007

BPKS wrote: »

My understanding is you need a prescription for one? So how is it utterly disgraceful? Ever heard of medical malpractice?

I have heard that it can be dangerous for some people to use an epipen because of other conditions such as asthma. It's not as black-and-white as these people are making out.

ThisRegard

Why does it matter on what street and how busy or quiet it was Joe ?

pc7

PauloMN wrote: »

I think that case would be pretty easy to distinguish from a junkie or whatever coming in looking for something.

I'd agree if she had have brought her daughter into the chemist with her or brought them out to see her, but the mother said she was extremely agitated and distressed asking for it, she has a very 'dublin' accent so it may not have been that clear.

sligojoek

"The main street of Ireland"

Dan Jaman

BPKS wrote: »

My understanding is you need a prescription for one? So how is it utterly disgraceful? Ever heard of medical malpractice?

So, are you saying a trained pharmacist would not have been able to recognise AS and administer on the spot? You do a dis-service to pharmacists. An erroneous administration of an epi-pen might have had a downside, but preferable to the child dying in the street, don't you think?

Roger_007

sligojoek wrote: »

"The main street of Ireland"

Dublin = Ireland in Joe's world.

Roger_007

What would this woman have done if it had happened 30 minutes later when the shop was closed!

Big C

epipen cost about €120 and it is recommended to have two, they have a shelf life of 12 mths

joe6pack

This is turning into...." My grandson is the bestist"

ThisRegard

Dan Jaman wrote: »

So, are you saying a trained pharmacist would not have been able to recognise AS and administer on the spot? You do a dis-service to pharmacists. An erroneous administration of an epi-pen might have had a downside, but preferable to the child dying in the street, don't you think?

The kid wasn't there to recognise the symptons.

Dan Jaman

Roger_007 wrote: »

What would this woman have done if it had happened 30 minutes later when the shop was closed!

That would have been very unlucky, indeed.

I imagine the local take-away would have refused to hand over a pen of any sort.

Dan Jaman

ThisRegard wrote: »

The kid wasn't there to recognise the symptons.

The lack of common sense displayed on the day seems to be overwhelming. Why didn't the pharmacist go into the street to see the child?

joe6pack

Does it cost extra to have a n allergy with Ryanair?

ThisRegard

Dan Jaman wrote: »

The lack of common sense displayed on the day seems to be overwhelming. Why didn't the pharmacist go into the street to see the child?

There's so many ifs, whys and buts we could be at this all day.

Dan Jaman

Big C wrote: »

epipen cost about €120 and it is recommended to have two, they have a shelf life of 12 mths

Hmm... that probably equates to about a tenner across the counter in Spain, for example.
A friend of mine who has a severe AS reaction to wasp and bee stings makes sure everyone she knows is aware of where on her person she keeps her epi-pen, just in case.

withless

Joe now using it as a point scoring opportunity.

Bodhran

http://www.epipen.com/

AK333

Big C wrote: »

epipen cost about €120 and it is recommended to have two, they have a shelf life of 12 mths

And they should have ensured that the young boy had one with him at all times. I'd go hungry if I had to but would always make sure my child had all the appropriate medicines

AK333

Where did this happen? When he said the main street in the capital, I'm assuming its O'Connell Street in Dublin? Why didn't they take him to a hospital?

SEPT 23 1989

Joe tries to put another business under

ThisRegard

They've listend to you before Joe, why would they come on ?

PauloMN

Anyone who gets anything done to their teeth at the Ideal Homes show needs their head examined (rather than their teeth) ffs.

joe6pack

Joe's gonna sink his teeth in to this one

Roger_007

Teeth whitening? Sure wouldn't a good mouthful of Domestos would do the same job.:eek:

Dan Jaman

PauloMN wrote: »

Anyone who gets anything done to their teeth at the Ideal Homes show needs their heads examined (rather than their teeth) ffs.

"I didn't get a roof, but a lovely set of choppers, Joe."

PauloMN

Roger_007 wrote: »

Teeth whitening? Sure wouldn't a good mouthful of Domestos would do the same job.:eek:

More truth in that than you think I'd say!

CountyHurler

Personally I wouldnt deal with any company that wasnt regulated.. Without the efforts of Pat Neary and the staff in the financial regulators office, the banks would have ended up in some mess after the collapse of Lehmans.

Roger_007

PauloMN wrote: »

More truth in that than you think I'd say!

It was indeed more in truth than in jest. Anyone who uses these products have more money than sense.

Dan Jaman

CountyHurler wrote: »

Personally I wouldnt deal with any company that wasnt regulated.. Without the efforts of Pat Neary and the staff in the financial regulators office, the banks would have ended up in some mess after the collapse of Lehmans.

Oh, yes. We can see that regulation works.

joe6pack

I'd rather pull my own teeth out with a pliers than listen to this ****e

withless

"oh does it yeah?"

What a tool.

CountyHurler

Someone's at the door with the yard brush to give your teeth another shining.

SEPT 23 1989

perception???:D

joe6pack

Anxiety of getting robbed

Roger_007

Did the Osmonds use that product?

Dan Jaman

CountyHurler wrote: »

Someone's at the door with the yard brush to give your teeth another shining.

PauloMN

"She had to go to England for training"

Oh, that's ok then. Obviously the fact that someone went to England on a €19.99 Ryanair flight means they're much more professional, better trained, committed etc..

sudzs

Lily O'Briens is probably a bigger threat to dental health than a bit of ultra-violet whitening! :rolleyes:

Dan Jaman

sudzs wrote: »

Lily O'Briens is probably a bigger threat to dental health than a bit of ultra-violet whitening! :rolleyes:

I left my teeth, in Mad Tam's Disco
High on a shelf, they smile at me.