Sky eye up the All Ireland championship matches?

keane2097

copacetic wrote: »

Duffy and O'Neill at Dail committee at the moment, live online and on NewsNow.

Not an impressive start, Duffy saying no commercial reason, only reason to go with Sky was for the people abroad.

To say that is taking liberty with the truth is an understatement since Premier sports in the UK have in the past been providing exactly the same service as Sky will provide (for less money) and wanted to continue to do so.


For anyone who isn't aware

I'm not sure how much we can take from this without knowing how many of the Premier Sport subscribers already had Sky Sports anyway. It's probably a reduction of £10 a month for a lot of people.

copacetic

keane2097 wrote: »

I'm not sure how much we can take from this without knowing how many of the Premier Sport subscribers already had Sky Sports anyway. It's probably a reduction of £10 a month for a lot of people.

it certainly isn't, sky only have 14 games in the UK. Premier sports have the other 31.

previously premier sport had all the games.

Elmo

copacetic wrote: »

it certainly isn't, sky only have 14 games in the UK. Premier sports have the other 31.

previously premier sport had all the games.

Sky have 20. Sky didn't need exclusive rights in ROI, GAA could have given 14 games to TV3 with Sky Sports "availability" in NI. I'd imagine that the number of TV sets tuned to TV3 in the North equal that of the number of homes in the North with Sky Sports.

Realt Dearg Sec

Elmo wrote: »

I'd imagine

...is a worrying way to begin a sentence about statistics, in fairness.;)

Elmo

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

...is a worrying way to begin a sentence about statistics, in fairness.;)

Statistics, Statistics and damn lies.

I don't know how many NI subscribers their are to Sky Sports and I have no idea how many people in NI scan for TV3 via spillover signals. But I imagine that neither have big numbers.

munchkin_utd

Elmo wrote: »

Sky have 20. Sky didn't need exclusive rights in ROI, GAA could have given 14 games to TV3 with Sky Sports "availability" in NI. I'd imagine that the number of TV sets tuned to TV3 in the North equal that of the number of homes in the North with Sky Sports.

and what about the swathes of Tyrone, north Armagh, north Down, Antrim and Derry where Tv3 just isnt available at all at all.
In the south theres 25% of homes in every area may have sky. But in every village and neighbourhood there'll be sky, or you can get it in.
In the north, 100% of houses near the border have TV3, but 0% of homes further away. You might have 25% overall, but what use is it to someone in Ballycastle or the glens of Antrim that someone in Newry a 2 hour drive away has TV3?

Elmo

munchkin_utd wrote: »

and what about the swathes of Tyrone, north Armagh, north Down, Antrim and Derry where Tv3 just isnt available at all at all.
In the south theres 25% of homes in every area may have sky. But in every village and neighbourhood there'll be sky, or you can get it in.
In the north, 100% of houses near the border have TV3, but 0% of homes further away. You might have 25% overall, but what use is it to someone in Ballycastle or the glens of Antrim that someone in Newry a 2 hour drive away has TV3?

Copacetic could possibly say how far Saorview reaches within the board.

Some things to point out: -

1. To pick up Saorview you need Freeview HD or a Saorview STB/TV
2. While Sky has 100% penetration across the Island of Ireland, not everyone on either side subscribes to it, and not every Sky subscriber subscribes to Sky Sports
3. People in areas with cable have access to Sky (via UPC or Virgin) but again may not subscribe to Sky Sports
4. TV3 could provide an opt-out service to the north, this won't be as much of a problem with the loss of ITV programming.

Thus I think this idea that Sky gives you access to more homes in the north may not necessarily be the case.

The Cush

Saorview estimate that overspill extends to around 60% of the NI population.

Ofcom NI-Saorview/NImux coverage map below

Elmo

The Cush wrote: »

Saorview estimate that overspill extends to around 60% of the NI population.

36% of people in Ireland and Britain subscribe to Sky. And one report suggest that in the UK 60% of households have some form of PAY TV (BT, Sky and Virgin).

So of the 60% that have access to TV3 how many tune it in?
So of the 60% that have pay TV how many subscribe to Sky Sports?

I think that TV3 not being available in NI is debatable.

bruschi

Elmo wrote: »

36% of people in Ireland and Britain subscribe to Sky. And one report suggest that in the UK 60% of households have some form of PAY TV (BT, Sky and Virgin).

So of the 60% that have access to TV3 how many tune it in?
So of the 60% that have pay TV how many subscribe to Sky Sports?

I think that TV3 not being available in NI is debatable.

dont know where you are getting your facts from, but I for one will question them, as the stats from TAM (Television Audience Measurement Ireland - http://www.tamireland.ie/box-clever/takeaways/who-has-what) show that 47% of people in Ireland subscribe to sky, and another 25% have cable (ie UPC). So 73% of Irish people have pay tv services, and the ability to add sky sports to it, without entering a further long term contract.

harpsman

Hulk Hands wrote: »

The best paragraph from that article is below, and its something I didn't realise. Basically we've only had proper coverage of the GAA for about 15-20 years, yet people are acting like centuries of tradition is being thrown away

I presume you re quite young then??

Elmo

bruschi wrote: »

dont know where you are getting your facts from, but I for one will question them, as the stats from TAM (Television Audience Measurement Ireland - http://www.tamireland.ie/box-clever/takeaways/who-has-what) show that 47% of people in Ireland subscribe to sky, and another 25% have cable (ie UPC). So 73% of Irish people have pay tv services, and the ability to add sky sports to it, without entering a further long term contract.

In the republic, TAM Ireland does not cover Northern Ireland. I don't have exact figures for NI, I took the UK figures. ROI's Pay TV market is saturated.

harpsman

Eugene McGee on Last Word this evenin goin on about the poor oul fella sivin in isolation down the west not bein able to see Mayo in the qf. If theyre living in such isolation would it not be benificial to their mental health for one of their friends who has Sky to invite them round to watch the game? What, nobody in the Wessht has Sky Sports? As Paddy Heaney said Sky would be bringing communities together. Needless to say, he wasnt challenged by Matt Cooper(whos now lost a gig w TV3) so I switched off quick enough.

Elmo

harpsman wrote: »

Eugene McGee on Last Word this evenin goin on about the poor oul fella sivin in isolation down the west not bein able to see Mayo in the qf. If theyre living in such isolation would it not be benificial to their mental health for one of their friends who has Sky to invite them round to watch the game? What, nobody in the Wessht has Sky Sports? As Paddy Heaney said Sky would be bringing communities together. Needless to say, he wasnt challenged by Matt Cooper(whos now lost a gig w TV3) so I switched off quick enough.

Matt Cooper possibly has a new job on the RWC.

theoneeyedman

harpsman wrote: »

Eugene McGee on Last Word this evenin goin on about the poor oul fella sivin in isolation down the west not bein able to see Mayo in the qf. If theyre living in such isolation would it not be benificial to their mental health for one of their friends who has Sky to invite them round to watch the game? What, nobody in the Wessht has Sky Sports? As Paddy Heaney said Sky would be bringing communities together. Needless to say, he wasnt challenged by Matt Cooper(whos now lost a gig w TV3) so I switched off quick enough.

Look, I'd take or leave a lot of the arguments in this thread (I'd question the 73% figure subscribing to pay TV for instance) but using the argument that this deal with Sky means that Sky would bring communities together is plain laughable.

I don't agree with pay walls for sport, but I can see why top brass in GAA would go for a deal with Sky. They are chasing the bucks, full stop, end of story, bottom line. All the talk about diaspora and Internet deals worldwide are all bullsh1t. Fess up and tell it like it is, quit taking everyone for fools. Packy Joe living on his own in the arse hole of Mayo is of no interest to TV or advertising executives, so they don't matter.

Elmo

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I'd question the 73% figure subscribing to pay TV for instance

This is correct 73% of Irish viewers subscribe to a Pay TV provider, another 10% mix Saorview with FTA Satellite, and about 17% have just Saorview. One of the reasons a Pay DTT service won't ever appear. I think the figure is lower in the north.

By the way TV3, from 2006 to 2012, only had a 80% reach in the republic via Analogue. So again the GAA's issue with TV3 not having better access to the north is not really an argument.

harpsman

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Look, I'd take or leave a lot of the arguments in this thread (I'd question the 73% figure subscribing to pay TV for instance) but using the argument that this deal with Sky means that Sky would bring communities together is plain laughable.

I don't agree with pay walls for sport, but I can see why top brass in GAA would go for a deal with Sky. They are chasing the bucks, full stop, end of story, bottom line. All the talk about diaspora and Internet deals worldwide are all bullsh1t. Fess up and tell it like it is, quit taking everyone for fools. Packy Joe living on his own in the arse hole of Mayo is of no interest to TV or advertising executives, so they don't matter.

Well thats your opinion.Its not really based on any facts though, more your emotion about this deal.

sagemaster

Nobody here has suggested the obvious and I will sum it up for all of you now.
If the GAA are so interested in getting the games broadcast to the diaspora abroad let them allow SKY broadcast the games in these foreign countries for FREE.
Let the GAA not give SKY exclusive rights to any games...at the cost to any other terrestrial broadcaster.
If the management of the amateur organisation are sincere let them put their money (ie no money) where there mouth is, and charge SKY nothing! But don't let them have the games exclusively.
Why did they not propose to allow SKY in to showcase the games, be it 14 or less, to be shown abroad in these foreign countries free of charge
It's not about the money!,, (don't make me sick)..................................
simple solution....allow them in to show the games abroad but no exclusive deal for matches...
This row will come to a head next summer when people realise exactly the terms of the deal.

Realt Dearg Sec

Sky probably wouldn't agree to that because it wouldn't make them any profit. The GAA can't just make up what they want tv companies to do and expect them to agree. Sky will only make money from this in Ireland, and only if they have some matches exclusive. They don't have any incentive to just broadcast the games in England, that's the GAA's aim, not theirs.

sagemaster

So you agree it's all about the money!!
This deal is insincere and the GAA hierarchy are being disingenuous suggesting that it's about showing the games to the unfortunate supporters abroad who had to emigrate.
The deal is rotten and stinks of commercialism and greed.
I for one will not give a red cent to the GAA after this. The can go collect their revenue from Sky!
It's a kick in the face to the hundreds of players who shed blood, sweat and tears for the love of the game and get no monetary benefit from it.

iDave

sagemaster wrote: »

So you agree it's all about the money!!
This deal is insincere and the GAA hierarchy are being disingenuous suggesting that it's about showing the games to the unfortunate supporters abroad who had to emigrate.
The deal is rotten and stinks of commercialism and greed.
I for one will not give a red cent to the GAA after this. The can go collect their revenue from Sky!
It's a kick in the face to the hundreds of players who shed blood, sweat and tears for the love of the game and get no monetary benefit from it.

If its all about money why didn't they ask for more?

You're not much of a fan of your county if worrying about who broadcasts it stops you from supporting them.

Why should players get monetary benefit. Its an amateur sport. The total TV deal would have to be at least 6 times what it is to pay all intercounty players the average industrial wage.

Johnboy1951

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sky probably wouldn't agree to that because it wouldn't make them any profit. The GAA can't just make up what they want tv companies to do and expect them to agree. Sky will only make money from this in Ireland, and only if they have some matches exclusive. They don't have any incentive to just broadcast the games in England, that's the GAA's aim, not theirs.

probably? We have no idea what might have been possible!

...... all the games are FTA in Australia?

.... that too is improbable I guess .....

Yes it is all about the money ...... money from Irish people on these islands.

The deal with Sky has nothing at all to do with promoting the game or making it available to more people. It is a means of monetising their 'product'!

In fact what has been done means a bunch of games are not going to be available to lots of people who for various reasons (some financial) will not have a Sky sports subscription.

Realt Dearg Sec

I'm unfollowing this thread, I was responding to wild speculation about what the GAA "should" have done with the deal by people who, obviously, couldn't know what was and wasn't possible in the negotiations. But yet when I offer some relatively reasonable speculation to counter it, you get posts like the one above jumping down your throat. To be honest, I actually still haven't decided whether I support or oppose this deal, it seems a complicated issue, and I'm suspicious of the deal in many ways, while understanding why the GAA might go this route.

But what I have noticed is that those opposed to it are just not doing their cause any favors, because they have this siege mentality that everyone except themselves doesn't care about hillside pensioners or about the future of our sport, are all just greedy tans looking to destroy our native games.

It doesn't lend itself to much debate and you're making it very easy for people not to agree with you. I think I'm opposed to the deal but I'd hate for anyone to know I was associated with some of those with whom I think I agree

yop

sagemaster wrote: »

So you agree it's all about the money!!
This deal is insincere and the GAA hierarchy are being disingenuous suggesting that it's about showing the games to the unfortunate supporters abroad who had to emigrate.
The deal is rotten and stinks of commercialism and greed.
I for one will not give a red cent to the GAA after this. The can go collect their revenue from Sky!
It's a kick in the face to the hundreds of players who shed blood, sweat and tears for the love of the game and get no monetary benefit from it.

RTE and TV3 paid the GAA for the rights, so also commercialized. We presume that Sky outbid TV3.
So if TV3 outbid Sky, you would be happy then? Not thoug that TV3 is in fact a subsidery of a UK owned company.

All the people who keep on about this "won't give a red cent" statements I would suspect never went in the first place or just turned up when the sun shone or on the last weekends of September.

Players have never benefited from the deals with RTE, TV3 or TNaG, so can't see why it should be any different now.

Its just a repeat of the hoo haa we had back when Croker opened its doors, a brilliant decision in the end. Those same people I am sure said they would never set foot in a GAA ground again, I wonder how many sneaked in the back door when the dust settled.

Johnboy1951

you get posts like the one above jumping down your throat.

Oh my!

I'm unfollowing this thread

I guess you have a solution for you.

***

The point was, if a deal can be done in Aus that the games are shown FTA, why was it a 'necessity' to put some of the games 'at home' behind a paywall?

When that is answered there might be some clarity.

So far there has been nothing but BS from the GAA about their reasons for doing so, and the only reasonable conclusion I can determine at this time is 'for the money'.

Fr Tod Umptious

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Oh my!



I guess you have a solution for you.

***

The point was, if a deal can be done in Aus that the games are shown FTA, why was it a 'necessity' to put some of the games 'at home' behind a paywall?

When that is answered there might be some clarity.

So far there has been nothing but BS from the GAA about their reasons for doing so, and the only reasonable conclusion I can determine at this time is 'for the money'.

Here is a guess at why they can do a FTA deal in Aus but not the UK

On a Sunday in Australia the games will start as early as 9pm (Perth time for 2pm Irish game start) and finish as late as 3am (Sydney time for a 4pm Irish game finishing at 6pm ish).
Saturday games could be on anytime between 10pm and 6am, Australian time.

Those times are pretty non-prime time, especially for a spin off channel, e.g. Australian equivalent of More 4 or BBC 3

So Channel 7, or their spin off, will probably grow their audience share, and thus advertising revenue, for those slots by showing GAA

On a Sunday in the UK the games will start as early as 2pm and finish as late as 6pm, and on a Saturday start as early as 3pm and end as late as 9pm.
No FTA broadcaster in the UK is going to put GAA in those prime weekend daytime or evening slots; there is just not enough interest to justify it.

Prop Joe

Premier Sports in the UK were doing a brill job,All games including Club games every Sunday for £10 a month (minimum 2 month contract) no need for sports packages or the likes just a normal SKY subscription.

And also in fairness i lived in the UK for a few years and i came across plenty RTE in private houses.

The UK Diaspora argument is bullsh1t...The Channel 7 deal is brill as is the RTE streaming service.

There was no positive for this SKY deal only to test the waters to see if SKY could make the GAA more "Premier League"

Elmo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Here is a guess at why they can do a FTA deal in Aus but not the UK.

The question was not about a PayWall in the UK but about the paywall in Ireland.

There is no reason why Sky could not have been given all 45 games for Britain, while TV3 kept the games FTA in Ireland. In parts of NI some viewers would have to pick up a Sky Sub to get those TV3 games.

Options

1. GAA give rights to Sky for Britain and TV3 for Ireland
2. GAA give rights to Sky for Ireland and Britain but ask that Sky make arrangements so that all 14 games are show FTA in Ireland (both North and South), weather means giving games to TV3 and BBC NI, or providing a separate FTA service of PICK to Irish Audiences.

Fr Tod Umptious

Elmo wrote: »

The question was not about a PayWall in the UK but about the paywall in Ireland.

There is no reason why Sky could not have been given all 45 games for Britain, while TV3 kept the games FTA in Ireland. In parts of NI some viewers would have to pick up a Sky Sub to get those TV3 games.

Options

1. GAA give rights to Sky for Britain and TV3 for Ireland
2. GAA give rights to Sky for Ireland and Britain but ask that Sky make arrangements so that all 14 games are show FTA in Ireland (both North and South), weather means giving games to TV3 and BBC NI, or providing a separate FTA service of PICK to Irish Audiences.

But a UK only option is of no value to Sky, and they would never have been involved if there was no benefit in it for them.

The upside for Sky here is that it's a way to retain some of their ROI subs that usually downgrade once the EPL is over, and get new subs.

The upside for the GAA is that it puts 20 games including the 6 most high profile on a very highly subscribed, very professional, UK network.

Elmo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But a UK only option is of no value to Sky, and they would never have been involved if there was no benefit in it for them.

The upside for Sky here is that it's a way to retain some of their ROI subs that usually downgrade once the EPL is over, and get new subs.

The upside for the GAA is that it puts 20 games including the 6 most high profile on a very highly subscribed, very professional, UK network.

So as subscriber rates drop in Britain for Sky Sports the GAA think it is worth their while to help Sky hold on to their Irish customers? Oh and won't show them on the 2 main Sports channels rather it is regulated to Sky Sport 3!

rebel girl 15

Prop Joe wrote: »

Premier Sports in the UK were doing a brill job,All games including Club games every Sunday for £10 a month (minimum 2 month contract) no need for sports packages or the likes just a normal SKY subscription.

And also in fairness i lived in the UK for a few years and i came across plenty RTE in private houses.

The UK Diaspora argument is bullsh1t...The Channel 7 deal is brill as is the RTE streaming service.

There was no positive for this SKY deal only to test the waters to see if SKY could make the GAA more "Premier League"

PremierSports still have Exclusive coverage of 26 games each season for the next 3 years from the GAA Championships. Includes Sunday Provincial games including the finals from all 4 regions, 1st/2nd choice of qualifiers from rounds 1 and 2 and 4 Quarter Finals. Exclusive coverage of over 30 Allianz League games including TG4 games in English. Minimum of 6 Club Championship games covering the semi-finals and finals.

I'm living in the UK, the SKY package makes no financial sense when PremierSports have this - I can't see many taking it up, when you can get above for £10 a month, why would you need SKY? Ultra fast broadband means that a lot of SKY games are streamed illegally, take the Lions last year, thousands were on the one stream I was watching the game on, and that was one of 100s.

rebel girl 15

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But a UK only option is of no value to Sky, and they would never have been involved if there was no benefit in it for them.

The upside for Sky here is that it's a way to retain some of their ROI subs that usually downgrade once the EPL is over, and get new subs.

The upside for the GAA is that it puts 20 games including the 6 most high profile on a very highly subscribed, very professional, UK network.

What are the 6 most high profile?

Elmo

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

What are the 6 most high profile?

They are carrying 6 games (semi-finals, finals etc) with RTÉ and 14 exclusive games

Fr Tod Umptious

Elmo wrote: »

So as subscriber rates drop in Britain for Sky Sports the GAA think it is worth their while to help Sky hold on to their Irish customers? Oh and won't show them on the 2 main Sports channels rather it is regulated to Sky Sport 3!

The GAA think it's worth their while to get the 20 , games, including the 6 most important on a large UK based network at a higher price than they were paid for rights in 2013.
The cost is that 14 games that would have been on an ROI FTA channel are now behind a pay wall.

Sky think it's worth their while to pay for these rights to increases subs in both the UK and Ireland and to retain subs that usually downgrade for the summer in UK and Ireland.
The cost is the price they paid for the rights

Johnboy1951

Elmo wrote: »

The question was not about a PayWall in the UK but about the paywall in Ireland.

There is no reason why Sky could not have been given all 45 games for Britain, while TV3 kept the games FTA in Ireland. In parts of NI some viewers would have to pick up a Sky Sub to get those TV3 games.

Options

1. GAA give rights to Sky for Britain and TV3 for Ireland
2. GAA give rights to Sky for Ireland and Britain but ask that Sky make arrangements so that all 14 games are show FTA in Ireland (both North and South), weather means giving games to TV3 and BBC NI, or providing a separate FTA service of PICK to Irish Audiences.

There were lots of combinations possible that would not have meant any paywall in Ireland for any of the games.

If Sky would not play ball then so what? Premier Sports were already providing the games (from what I have read, never having viewed Premier).

Sky have brought no new viewers to the table that I can work out. Those they gain will most likely be from the Premier Sports viewer numbers.
The move to Sky might easily reduce the numbers watching in the UK.

Sky have brought money though ........ and the GAA denies this is done for the money.

Apparently lots of people believe them ....

rebel girl 15

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The GAA think it's worth their while to get the 20 , games, including the 6 most important on a large UK based network at a higher price than they were paid for rights in 2013.
The cost is that 14 games that would have been on an ROI FTA channel are now behind a pay wall.

Sky think it's worth their while to pay for these rights to increases subs in both the UK and Ireland and to retain subs that usually downgrade for the summer in UK and Ireland.
The cost is the price they paid for the rights

But those 14 games were not going to be on a ROI FTA channel - it is clear that TV3 didn't properly go in for the GAA since they managed to get the RWC 2015 instead, which is huge for them. RTE got all the games they wanted, think it was 39 they asked for - whatever they asked for they got from the GAA, leaving SKY with games RTE DIDN'T want

I don't see too many people in the UK going away from supporting PremierSports which showed all the games oin SKY and Virgin packages. Pubs and bars with Sky Sports packages already will pay out for it, but I don't see the ordinary household shelling out for it if they don't already have SKY. Sky broadband is shocking, Virgin is much better especially in the area I'm living in. A lot of young Irish over here would go to the pubs to watch the games before buying their own SKY package

Elmo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The GAA think it's worth their while to get the 20 , games, including the 6 most important on a large UK based network at a higher price than they were paid for rights in 2013.
The cost is that 14 games that would have been on an ROI FTA channel are now behind a pay wall.

Sky think it's worth their while to pay for these rights to increases subs in both the UK and Ireland and to retain subs that usually downgrade for the summer in UK and Ireland.
The cost is the price they paid for the rights

So your changing your argument from It being on the one of the most popular and most professional sports channels to it was really just about the money.

I have no problem about it just being about the money, but be honest and let it be about that.

1. TV3 Access not an issue
2. TV3 HD now not an issue after RWC deal
3. Sky Sports has access to more homes Britain, now defunct as people begin to switch to BT Sport for other sports
4. It will be on a major sports network in Britain, also defunct as it will air on Sky Sports 3
5. Sky can't provide FTA access across the Island of Ireland, it could.

The only reason for this deal with sky is, well I let George tell you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QINzmRPfMCU

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

But those 14 games were not going to be on a ROI FTA channel - it is clear that TV3 didn't properly go in for the GAA since they managed to get the RWC 2015 instead, which is huge for them. RTE got all the games they wanted, think it was 39 they asked for - whatever they asked for they got from the GAA, leaving SKY with games RTE DIDN'T want

RTÉ wouldn't have gone after those games in case TV3 started their continued diatribe against Duel Funding etc etc.

Fr Tod Umptious

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

PremierSports still have Exclusive coverage of 26 games each season for the next 3 years from the GAA Championships. Includes Sunday Provincial games including the finals from all 4 regions, 1st/2nd choice of qualifiers from rounds 1 and 2 and 4 Quarter Finals. Exclusive coverage of over 30 Allianz League games including TG4 games in English. Minimum of 6 Club Championship games covering the semi-finals and finals.

I'm living in the UK, the SKY package makes no financial sense when PremierSports have this - I can't see many taking it up, when you can get above for £10 a month, why would you need SKY? Ultra fast broadband means that a lot of SKY games are streamed illegally, take the Lions last year, thousands were on the one stream I was watching the game on, and that was one of 100s.

But Sky also gives you EPL, F1, Rugby, Rugby League, Golf, Test Cricket, etc etc, in HD, 3D etc etc,
You get more bang for your buck with Sky.

On the streaming thing I thing GAA may become more prevalent on illegal streams with this Sky deal.
Right now there are a few Premier Sports guys streaming GAA regularly, with it on Sky it will probably be covered by the guys who just stream out Sky Sports 1, 2, 4 and 4 24/7 365.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

There were lots of combinations possible that would not have meant any paywall in Ireland for any of the games.

If Sky would not play ball then so what? Premier Sports were already providing the games (from what I have read, never having viewed Premier).

Sky have brought no new viewers to the table that I can work out. Those they gain will most likely be from the Premier Sports viewer numbers.
The move to Sky might easily reduce the numbers watching in the UK.

Sky have brought money though ........ and the GAA denies this is done for the money.

Apparently lots of people believe them ....

So you have insight into Sky's sub numbers plus you are able to forecast sky sub numbers into the future.

Fr Tod Umptious

Elmo wrote: »

So your changing your argument from It being on the one of the most popular and most professional sports channels to it was really just about the money.

I have no problem about it just being about the money, but be honest and let it be about that.

1. TV3 Access not an issue
2. TV3 HD now not an issue after RWC deal
3. Sky Sports has access to more homes Britain, now defunct as people begin to switch to BT Sport for other sports
4. It will be on a major sports network in Britain, also defunct as it will air on Sky Sports 3
5. Sky can't provide FTA access across the Island of Ireland, it could.

RTÉ wouldn't have gone after those games in case TV3 started their continued diatribe against Duel Funding etc etc.

They get marginally more money than they would have from a TV3 deal and they get on one of the most popular and most professional sports channels in the UK.
Do you have s source for you statement that Sky is loosing customers to BT Sport ?
I know they lost UCL rights to BT, but that is more likely to result in BT gaining subs than Sky losing them based on teh fact that they still have the majority of EPL games.
I get Sky Sports 3 just as easily as 1, 2, and 4, so no matter how hard to try to convince yourself otherwise Sky Sport 3 is a major network.
And Sky FTA in the island of Ireland makes zero financial sense for Sky, thus it's not an option.

Elmo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

They get marginally more money than they would have from a TV3 deal and they get on one of the most popular and most professional sports channels in the UK.
Do you have s source for you statement that Sky is loosing customers to BT Sport ?
I know they lost UCL rights to BT, but that is more likely to result in BT gaining subs than Sky losing them based on teh fact that they still have the majority of EPL games.
I get Sky Sports 3 just as easily as 1, 2, and 4, so no matter how hard to try to convince yourself otherwise Sky Sport 3 is a major network.
And Sky FTA in the island of Ireland makes zero financial sense for Sky, thus it's not an option.

Marginally more means more.
Pick Ireland with GAA = Increased ad revenues
We will have to see how Sky Sports fair over the next few years, they are losing sports to a well finance media organisation.

rebel girl 15

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But Sky also gives you EPL, F1, Rugby, Rugby League, Golf, Test Cricket, etc etc, in HD, 3D etc etc,
You get more bang for your buck with Sky.

On the streaming thing I thing GAA may become more prevalent on illegal streams with this Sky deal.
Right now there are a few Premier Sports guys streaming GAA regularly, with it on Sky it will probably be covered by the guys who just stream out Sky Sports 1, 2, 4 and 4 24/7 365.
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Thats why I'm saying that it won't be attracting new SKY subscribers, if people have SKY in the UK, they might add it on, but doubtful. BT Sport is getting much bigger here, and is eating into the Sky numbers. I can get streams of PremierSport alright, but the numbers streaming Sky and in high quality are ridiculous. As you said yourself, the games will be streamed, which means that Sky won't get more viewers.

Champions League football and the premiership rugby are already gone to BTSport, so you are getting less and less for your money with SKY. You have to remember as well a lot of the advertising over is for phone, broadband and TV packages, and the BTSport one is very good value

munchkin_utd

an interesting angle on the deal.
To be honest this isnt relevant as to why the deal was done, but at least shows what proper mainstream exposure can do for the game abroad - hopefully to be seen on the pitch more than spectators heading to games in Ireland to fill NAMA hotel beds.

(kindof apt too seeing as I am flying to Ireland next weekend for 2 days of glorious league final football :-) )

Sky GAA deal could trigger €6m (tourism) windfall
THE Sky deal to broadcast GAA games could trigger a €6m economic boost through tourism, according to the sports consultancy run by former rugby international Keith Wood.

The deal has been hugely controversial, with claims that it robbed supporters of the chance to watch all televised games for free.

But the GAA has staunchly defended the move, insisting that it allowed the diaspora a chance to tune in to clashes, as well as growing the profile of Gaelic games overseas.

Mark O'Connell, who founded W2 Consultancy with former Ireland captain Wood, agrees there is huge potential to be tapped.

"On the back of the Sky deal, GAA games could easily deliver 8,000 additional sports tourists each year to Ireland," he said.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/sky-gaa-deal-could-trigger-6m-windfall-30205487.html

nice_guy80

Is it me or have RTE radio and tv scaled back a lot of their GAA coverage recently?

ProudDUB

There wasn't all that much on to begin with. There is the piss poor League Sunday. That is still on. There is the nightly sports show on 2FM, where they get in a couple of talking heads to talk about the weeks games. That is still being done. At the weekend, there is live commentary from the grounds when games are on. That is still being done. What else could they cut back on?

Prop Joe

No GAA internet deal for UK users

British viewers hoping to watch Sky Sports coverage of the All-Ireland championships on the internet will be disappointed to learn that the broadcast won't be available to them.

The GAA and RTE are to launching a worldwide streaming service that will broadcast GAA matches in a pay-per-view service, but this does not include the British audience.

Sky are set to broadcast 14 matches in the All-Ireland GAA hurling and football championships this year, while games that will be shown on both RTE and Sky will be available to anyone with a broadband connection, except those in Britain.

However, all games that are to be shown on Sky Sports will be available to GAA supporters in the U.K and GAA Director General Padraic Duffy feels that the exiles are getting a good deal.

"Nearly every pub in Britain has Sky Sports. It will be very easy for people to access the games. I don't see that being a problem in Britain," Duffy told the Irish Post.

Seems to me the Premier Sports deal was better for the UK based GAA fans

channelsurfer2

ah sure cant the diaspora go to the pub and get drunk. thats how we care about them so much.......

Fr Tod Umptious

Prop Joe wrote: »

No GAA internet deal for UK users

British viewers hoping to watch Sky Sports coverage of the All-Ireland championships on the internet will be disappointed to learn that the broadcast won't be available to them.

The GAA and RTE are to launching a worldwide streaming service that will broadcast GAA matches in a pay-per-view service, but this does not include the British audience.

Sky are set to broadcast 14 matches in the All-Ireland GAA hurling and football championships this year, while games that will be shown on both RTE and Sky will be available to anyone with a broadband connection, except those in Britain.

However, all games that are to be shown on Sky Sports will be available to GAA supporters in the U.K and GAA Director General Padraic Duffy feels that the exiles are getting a good deal.

"Nearly every pub in Britain has Sky Sports. It will be very easy for people to access the games. I don't see that being a problem in Britain," Duffy told the Irish Post.

Seems to me the Premier Sports deal was better for the UK based GAA fans

Are all 45 live games (RTE x 31, Sky x 14) going to be available in the UK on Premier Sports (31) and SKY (14) ?
If so then I am not surprised that they are ‘blacking out’ the streaming service in the UK

There is a precedent for games that are on subscription TV not being available on official streaming services.
The NFL do not allow then streaming subs in the UK and Ireland stream the games that are live on Sky at the same time.

Realt Dearg Sec

Prop Joe wrote: »

No GAA internet deal for UK users

British viewers hoping to watch Sky Sports coverage of the All-Ireland championships on the internet will be disappointed to learn that the broadcast won't be available to them.

The GAA and RTE are to launching a worldwide streaming service that will broadcast GAA matches in a pay-per-view service, but this does not include the British audience.

Sky are set to broadcast 14 matches in the All-Ireland GAA hurling and football championships this year, while games that will be shown on both RTE and Sky will be available to anyone with a broadband connection, except those in Britain.

However, all games that are to be shown on Sky Sports will be available to GAA supporters in the U.K and GAA Director General Padraic Duffy feels that the exiles are getting a good deal.

"Nearly every pub in Britain has Sky Sports. It will be very easy for people to access the games. I don't see that being a problem in Britain," Duffy told the Irish Post.

Seems to me the Premier Sports deal was better for the UK based GAA fans

This kind of thing puts a very different complexion on things. Can they not just come out and say 'we did it for money'? It would be better than constantly tripping over themselves as they come up with different excuses and rationalisations as they go along? Referring people to the pub kind of defeats the purpose. Couldn't people go to the pub to watch matches BEFORE the Sky deal? Wasn't the point to widen access beyond the pub? And then when a snag comes up Duffy says 'sure they can go to the pub'? So what was the point, again?

RoyalCelt

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

This kind of thing puts a very different complexion on things. Can they not just come out and say 'we did it for money'? It would be better than constantly tripping over themselves as they come up with different excuses and rationalisations as they go along? Referring people to the pub kind of defeats the purpose. Couldn't people go to the pub to watch matches BEFORE the Sky deal? Wasn't the point to widen access beyond the pub? And then when a snag comes up Duffy says 'sure they can go to the pub'? So what was the point, again?

They did it to expand the GAA and one aspect of that is increased revenue. None of the officials are getting a pay increase. All extra money is back into the association

They have a 15 million sterling bill for casement and will be paying some of the new Pairc Ui Chaoimh bill.

The Cush

Prop Joe wrote: »

No GAA internet deal for UK users

British viewers hoping to watch Sky Sports coverage of the All-Ireland championships on the internet will be disappointed to learn that the broadcast won't be available to them.

The Irish Post article - ‘Enough is enough – GAA are making up emigrants deal as they go along’

The latest twist on the road to our summer of Super Sundays has been the news that none of the games covered by Sky will be available in Britain on the new RTE web-streaming service. Those games will be the property of Sky.

So if you want to watch the All-Ireland finals or 18 other games then you’re going to have to subscribe to Sky Sports. Or go to the pub.

“Nearly every pub in Britain has Sky Sports. It will be very easy for people to access the games. I don’t see that being a problem in Britain. I honestly don’t believe it will be an issue at all,” GAA director general Paraic Duffy told Ronan McGreevy of The Irish Times.

Irish Times - ‘If you think GAA is for everybody everywhere, then the criticism is unfair’

There will be one notable exception. None of the games covered by the Sky Sports deal – the 14 exclusive games and the six simulcasts of the All-Ireland semi-finals and finals – will not be to British viewers on the internet.

“Nearly every pub in Britain has Sky Sports. It will be very easy for people to access the games. I don’t see that being a problem in the UK. I honestly don’t believe it will be an issue at all,” he says.