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electrician - earthing gas boiler? or something to that effect?

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    #32
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    tomdempsey200 wrote: »
    they're not..

    et101:2008 is the wiring rules

    full stop..

    They're not what?


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    #33
    2011
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    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Lol lads they're not my personal diagrams. They're from the new gas regs realised a few weeks ago, written by the same guys who right your regs.

    The ETCI (Electro-Technical Council of Ireland) write the electrical regulations, I very much doubt that they write the gas regulations.

    I know that you did not draw the two diagrams that you posted, but surely you can see that these drawings conflict?
    I never once said they gas shouldn't be earthed.. My apologies to 2011 if it came across that way.

    No bother.
    Our regs are contradicting each other

    The electrical part of gas installation regulations is contradiction the ETCI regulations (ET101:2008).

    It is best to follow gas regulations for gas installation and electrical regulations for electrical installation work.


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    #34
    tomdempsey200
    Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭tomdempsey200


    what's the drawing doing there anyhow

    why would RGIs be concerned with main bonding and working to a drawing that doesn't comply with ET101

    a qualified electricIan's can't even wire a socket circuit now never mind RGIs working on main bonding


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    #35
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    tomdempsey200 wrote: »
    what's the drawing doing there anyhow

    why would RGIs be concerned with main bonding and working to a drawing that doesn't comply with ET101

    a qualified electricIan's can't even wire a socket circuit now never mind RGIs working on main bonding

    It's there because we bond gas lines when doing boiler installs ( obviously we don't go near the main board ). We also have to wire boilers cause sparks aren't allowed into gas boilers... But that's a different issue.


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    #36
    tomdempsey200
    Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭tomdempsey200


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    It's there because we bond gas lines when doing boiler installs ( obviously we don't go near the main board ). We also have to wire boilers cause sparks aren't allowed into gas boilers... But that's a different issue.

    ok.. but you're not an electrician?

    you're working to a drawing that doesn't comply with ET101

    and you're altering the main equipotential bonding in the installation?

    ok...


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    #37
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    tomdempsey200 wrote: »
    ok.. but you're not an electrician?

    you're working to a drawing that doesn't comply with ET101

    and you're altering the main equipotential bonding in the installation?

    ok...

    I didn't alter anything. I've never actually come across the situation stated above. There's always 10mm2 at the existing boiler.


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    #38
    2011
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    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    It's there because we bond gas lines when doing boiler installs ( obviously we don't go near the main board ).

    You are not permitted to do this.
    As shown earlier in the thread to bond correctly the gas pipe should be connected to the MET which resides in the distribution board. Since the 1st of October 2013 it has been illegal for a non-Registered Electrical Contractor to work on the distribution board. This would most certainly apply to connecting a bonding conductor to the MET.

    See link


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    #39
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    2011 wrote: »
    You are not permitted to do this.
    As shown earlier in the thread to bond correctly the gas pipe should be connected to the MET which resides in the distribution board. Since the 1st of October 2013 it has been illegal for a non-Registered Electrical Contractor to work on the distribution board. This would most certainly apply to connecting a bonding conductor to the MET.

    See link

    Did you not see where I said i never go near the board?


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    #40
    2011
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    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Did you not see where I said i never go near the board?

    To be fair you did.
    But you also said "we bond gas lines when doing boiler installs".
    When a professional makes a statement like that I read it as "we bond gas lines when doing boiler installs as per the relavent regulations", which in this case would be ET101:2008.

    I am not trying to be pedantic, but if someone is going to do electrical work it should be done properly or not at all.


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    #41
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    2011 wrote: »
    To be fair you did.
    But you also said "we bond gas lines when doing boiler installs".
    When a professional makes a statement like that I read it as "we bond gas lines when doing boiler installs as per the relavent regulations", which in this case would be ET101:2008.

    I am not trying to be pedantic, but if someone is going to do electrical work it should be done properly or not at all.

    I do all my electrical work properly. If I was to hire an Electrican to wire my systems it'd take too long to show him how to wire heating controls and explain what a switched live is in a gas boiler. Now lads I'm off out.


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    #42
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,594 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    I do all my electrical work properly.

    ... which means bonding the gas pipe to the MET which is located in the distribution board which you are not allowed to do by law. See link


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    #43
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    2011 wrote: »
    ... which means bonding the gas pipe to the MET which is located in the distribution board which you are not allowed to do by law. See link
    The only time I ever saw the inside of a board was when a sparks was wiring it


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    #44
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,594 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    The only time I ever saw the inside of a board was when a sparks was wiring it

    ...and you are better off that way.
    Leave the electrical work to those that are qualified, insured, able to test, certify and legally permitted to do it. That way you are covered.
    That is why I don't do it and for similar reasons I don't connect gas connections either ;)


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    #45
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    2011 wrote: »
    ...and you are better off that way.
    Leave the electrical work to those that are qualified, insured, able to test, certify and legally permitted to do it. That way you are covered.
    That is why I don't do it and for similar reasons I don't connect gas connections either ;)

    Fair enough. I'm like you. I abide by the the law. I don't do anything I'm not allowed to do.


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    #46
    tomdempsey200
    Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭tomdempsey200


    he should get onto RGI about that drawing

    as its a pretty bad blooper and has never been acceptable to main bond in that way imo


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    #47
    2011
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    tomdempsey200 wrote: »
    he should get onto RGI about that drawing

    as its a pretty bad blooper and has never been acceptable to main bond in that way imo

    Better still would be for RGI to make in clear that only qualified electricians should be doing this type of work.


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    #48
    tomdempsey200
    Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭tomdempsey200


    2011 wrote: »
    Better still would be for RGI to make in clear that only qualified electricians should be doing this type of work.

    yes absolutely ridiculous

    considering the restrictions on qualified electricians


    I know from my browsing of the UK. forums that structural steel is used as a main bonding conductor in some cases although it may be prohibited here


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    #49
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    2011 wrote: »
    Better still would be for RGI to make in clear that only qualified Registered electricians should be doing this type of work.

    FYP


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    #50
    tomdempsey200
    Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭tomdempsey200


    WikiHow wrote: »
    FYP

    you couldn't make it up

    RGIs having half an idea what they're doing

    wrong drawings

    playing around with main bonding


    meanwhile qualified electricians can't take cover off a distribution board


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    #51
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    tomdempsey200 wrote: »
    you couldn't make it up

    RGIs having half an idea what they're doing

    wrong drawings

    playing around with main bonding


    meanwhile qualified electricians can't take cover off a distribution board

    The RGI is only following his own bible so to speak, i.e like the drawing in post #9.


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    #52
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    tomdempsey200 wrote: »
    you couldn't make it up

    RGIs having half an idea what they're doing

    wrong drawings

    playing around with main bonding


    meanwhile qualified electricians can't take cover off a distribution board
    RGI's don't go near the board so I don't see the problem. As wikihow stated, we're only following the guidelines in our regs. It's not our fault they're not the same as yours. For what it's worth I wouldn't use copper pipe as a conductor anyway. I was just stating how it was.


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    #53
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,594 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    RGI's don't go near the board so I don't see the problem.

    Yes, I can see why you would not go near the distribution board.
    Since the 1st of October 2013 it is illegal for you to do this as you are not a registered electrical contractor.


    The problem is that you state that you bond gas pipes and carry out other electrical work here.
    To bond the gas pipe correctly (as per the regulations) it is necessary to access the main earth terminal which is located in the distribution board.
    I explained this in an earlier post here.
    It would seem that you accepted this because it aligns perfectly with the diagram that you linked to in one of your posts.

    So clearly there is a conflict here :confused:
    Either you do this electrical work properly (as per ET101:2008) which involves working on the distribution board (illegally) or the work that you do does not comply with the regulations.
    You can't have your cake and eat it :)

    If anyone has anything constructive or new to add feel free to PM me, otherwise this thread remains locked.
    Thanks.


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