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TXFM (formerly much missed Phantom) line up

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    #1022
    Twizzler
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Twizzler


    Depressing that TX is going, yet Sunshine survives...


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    #1023
    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    loyatemu wrote: »
    I can't believe in a city of over a million people with 4 universities there isn't a market for an "alternative" music station (not just guitar indie rock, which Phantom was overly reliant on, but more akin to BBC6's music mix).
    You'd be surprised how many university students are of the Adele, Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran school of crock.


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    #1024
    Effects
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    Canadel wrote: »
    You'd be surprised how many university students are of the Adele, Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran school of crock.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all.


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    #1025
    Infoanon
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    L1011 wrote: »
    It wasn't, though. The BCI (its that long ago) had a licencing plan to use up pretty much everything available, and we got all the stations.

    Any transmitters within about 100km of the UK - which is a lot of the country, remember - need international coordination. You don't just magic them out of a hat.

    The only way to get even half-way national coverage on FM would be the approach given for Spirit - massive numbers of extremely low power sites. Which is hugely, hugely expensive.

    Alas it was an excuse and had been the excuse pre commercial radio - international coordination is for AM more than FM and the spillover is minimum for most FM transmission powers.

    Nova are pushing hard for a semi national service - the figures work for them - TXFM with all the resources of communicorp could not make it work.


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    #1026
    soc160
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    end of the road wrote: »
    to be honest, it would have been for the best. it clearly wasn't working. a licence like that cannot operate on a commercial basis, at least not on the BAI'S version of a commercial basis anyway.



    but what more could they have done? how could they have made it commercially viable? it was a niche market and too much was expected of such a station by the regulator. stations need to be able to downsize their business model when things get bad. the original owners of phantom knew how to do that but the current system and the nature of the licence did not allow them to do so. now, by the looks of it there will be no station. lets hope this is a wake up call for the BAI.



    you may not be aware but apparently nobody has applied for it.


    Well whatever Phantom did originally was working to a point, they had a decent enough market share for that station, smart people made good decisions. I know Simon Maher said the reason it collapsed was more to do with the whole collapse of our financial institutions and revenue dried up, the station was bought out and old staff moved on and bad decisions where made. I guess the market is never going to be that strong again so it needs to a slimmed down model to work.


    Is there a possibility that someone can apply still or is it gone? Can the license be re-worked into something different?


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    #1027
    Declan A Walsh
    Registered Users Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Most of the presenters are quite experienced so should be in theory able to secure radio jobs in the future, Certainly, the lead in to October presents them with time to organise.

    Joe Donnelly has already worked on Spin103 and Newstalk (the latter mainly as a producer). He would appear to be flexible.

    Claire Beck was with Spin103 prior to joining Phantom in 2011. She comes across as enthusiastic and bubbly in her approach and seems to be keener on modern music. In her case, it depends on how important the music on a radio station would be, but, that said, Spin103 was somewhat different.

    John Caddell has all those years with Phantom from early pirate on, much of it in management roles, and of course all that music knowledge. I heard him being interviewed before on some programme on RTE Radio 1. Maybe his future could lie in one of those evening music programs they tend to have on Radio 1, or, given his interest in various forms of rock, maybe Radio Nova. There would have to be one proviso - he would not play Bon Jovi! Then again, he has turned up on Today FM in music-related matters. Maybe, he could get a specialist show there.

    Cathal Funge is also many years with Phantom and has a particular interest in the Irish scene. I think he might possibly settle for an Irish rock show on a Dublin or east-coast based radio station.

    Kelly-Anne Byrne is a club deejay in her spare time as well as already having her foot in the door of Today FM with her largely disco-oriented show on Saturday nights. It is clear too that she has a wide taste in music, so she could inhabit various different music-based shows on Today FM.

    As for the specialist show and once-a-week presenters, they all AFAIK have other day jobs so they will not really be badly affected. One person of note, though, is Derek Byrne, who presents Transmission on Fridays. He was with Phantom from an early stage of its full license. He has displayed a wide knowledge of music (and taste) over the years - like John Caddell. So. maybe he could end up on Radio Nova.

    Charlotte Flood is already a Production Assistant on Today FM, but I could see her presenting a Rock Anthems type program again, similar to her one on TXFM.

    I'm not sure what the future holds for those two lads that present Parklife - Paul Lynsky and Johnny Cullen. Paul was previously involved with Spin103 - maybe he might go back there. Maybe, they are looking towards Today FM or 2FM, after some station like iRadio perhaps.
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    #1028
    Big Nasty
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    soc160 wrote: »
    Well whatever Phantom did originally was working to a point, they had a decent enough market share for that station, smart people made good decisions. I know Simon Maher said the reason it collapsed was more to do with the whole collapse of our financial institutions and revenue dried up, the station was bought out and old staff moved on and bad decisions where made. I guess the market is never going to be that strong again so it needs to a slimmed down model to work.


    Is there a possibility that someone can apply still or is it gone? Can the license be re-worked into something different?

    TXFM is very much a slimmed down model of Phantom. Prime time 7am - 7pm has been covered by three presenters working 4hr shifts (I know they do more than that but you get what I'm saying) and they produce and present the shows themselves.


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    #1029
    loyatemu
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    Kannon Sticky Interpreter wrote: »
    Have to agree there's not much of a market for it here the way technoloy has gone.
    I used to listen to phantom/txfm, stopped listening at home when i got a wifi radio, and stopped listening in the car when i got unlimited internet on my phone.

    its not that bad a station but for me, there's not 1 reason to listen to it ahead of streaming 6 music

    fair point - I only listen to TX in the car, not just because of the music but also because their DJ's are less in love with the sound of their own voices and there isn't as much "zany" zoo-radio nonsense (I caught some of the Dermot and Dave show on Today FM last week and had to restrain myself from putting my boot through the dashboard).

    Spotify is great but sometimes you want someone else to choose the music, and 3G/4G coverage still isn't reliable enough to stream internet radio in the car, even if you have unlimited data.


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    #1030
    everlast75
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    Former Phantom boss is making a bid for the licence, so says the Journal.ie...


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    #1031
    furryvision
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCQV0Klp6zg


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    #1032
    Loafing Oaf
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    Twizzler wrote: »
    Depressing that TX is going, yet Sunshine survives...

    Just been subjected to an hour of the latter in the dentist...music that aspires to the condition of wallpaper. Although they did play Back to Black...


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    #1033
    kevohmsford
    Registered Users Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭kevohmsford


    Sad to see the station going. Listened to it all the time when I was living in Ireland.


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    #1034
    Howard the Duck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Howard the Duck


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Former Phantom boss is making a bid for the licence, so says the Journal.ie...

    Good news hopefully they will re-advertise the licence, maybe make it national but they probably won't do that. I think 8Radio could be a success if it gets the licence.


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    #1035
    ThisRegard
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    enda1 wrote: »
    Spotify killed the radio star :(

    It didn't. The radio star drove its audience to Spotify. Back when it was Phantom it was a great station. But in its TX incarnation it was never going to succeed, it wasn't a good station despite some of the laments here.


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    #1036
    Howard the Duck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Howard the Duck


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    It didn't. The radio star drove its audience to Spotify. Back when it was Phantom it was a great station. But in its TX incarnation it was never going to succeed, it wasn't a good station despite some of the laments here.

    Back when it was Phantom and pirate it was great but went down hill fast after they got the licence.


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    #1037
    Loafing Oaf
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    It didn't. The radio star drove its audience to Spotify. Back when it was Phantom it was a great station. But in its TX incarnation it was never going to succeed

    But wasn't it about to go bust before Communicorp stepped in ? Surely they had to try a different tack of some sort to make it viable?


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    #1038
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    I can't remember the exact financial details and how long it took after it got the licence before it came close to the edge, but even the few years after it got the licence it was always worth a listen, I discovered many great bands during that period. All new music I discovered since pretty much has been solely through Spotify.

    The million dollar question is how to monetise that on FM, but I believed (and said) at the time that TXFM was not the way to do if. It was schizophrenic.


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    #1039
    Third_Echelon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    Just listening to the Friday night show at the moment.... DJ there was saying that they might not go all the way until October. Might be sooner!


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    #1040
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    I 'liked' the 8 Radio page ages back. Haven't seen anything pop up from same for a long while.........


    .........until today.


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    #1041
    Twizzler
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Twizzler


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Just been subjected to an hour of the latter in the dentist...music that aspires to the condition of wallpaper. Although they did play Back to Black...

    One decent song in an hour of crap is scarier than the dentist all the same...but look, we'll take whatever crumbs are on the table when it comes to them.


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    #1042
    Twizzler
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Twizzler


    Third_Echelon wrote: »
    Just listening to the Friday night show at the moment.... DJ there was saying that they might not go all the way until October. Might be sooner!

    I only listen to Derek Byrne on and off because I'm more into rock/indie/metal, but I'm very much getting that impression as well re them not going all the way to Oct. Joe has said several times "for as long as we're here, and I genuinely don't know how long that will be" (and I think from memory that was said in his blog today as well) and Cathal said something similar re "for as long as we're here".

    I will add that I think Derek Byrne is a very good and competent DJ. Not my thing music wise, but very good at what he does. And again, he believes in the music. That's what we want.


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    #1043
    ghostdancer
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    agreed, Derek is a complete natural.

    his is the show I'll miss most, a great mix of great music. could hear anything from Santigold to Burial to Talking Heads to Moderat to Ben Folds to De La Soul.


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    #1044
    micar
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    Third_Echelon wrote: »
    Just listening to the Friday night show at the moment.... DJ there was saying that they might not go all the way until October. Might be sooner!

    Yep...I was getting that impression alright.

    One day unexpectedly they'll pull the plug.


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    #1045
    Infoanon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    micar wrote: »
    Yep...I was getting that impression alright.

    One day unexpectedly they'll pull the plug.

    Communicorp will close the loss making station as soon as it can - thats the economic reality of it.


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    #1046
    Big Nasty
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    Infoanon wrote: »
    Communicorp will close the loss making station as soon as it can - thats the economic reality of it.

    I reckon so. If it was breaking even to date you'd be hard pushed to find many willing to advertise now.


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    #1047
    Twizzler
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Twizzler


    I listened back to the start of Derek's show, and he said twice "if not sooner" (than Oct) and that he was doing his Africa show last night while he was still on air to do it (which could be tongue in cheek, but sounded ominous nonetheless). He said quite a bit actually - about how he'd been on the station 10 years between TX and Phantom and how there's no full-time music alternative now, and how we'll have to actively seek out that music on other stations - but it'll only be intermittent alternative coverage. He wished the other presenters the best and was sure their talent would get them jobs elsewhere. Sound dude.

    And yes, Big Nasty, you're 100% right re the advertising.


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    #1048
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    During the day in work, I listen to 6 Music, I listen to it on my journey to and from work, and I listen to it when I'm making dinner.

    I listen to it at the weekends.

    It has no ads.

    An Irish commercial can't do that, so I won't listen to one.


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    #1049
    Declan A Walsh
    Registered Users Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Radio Nova have taken on singer-songwriter Gavin Glass to take over as presenter of Locals Only on Sunday evenings, starting tomorrow. He also presents The Pickup on Tuesday nights on TXFM and, unusually, I think I actually heard him last Tuesday briefly.

    I wonder will he continue with his program on TXFM as well. Obviously, he one of those presenters who is doing it as a sideline.
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    #1050
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    During the day in work, I listen to 6 Music, I listen to it on my journey to and from work, and I listen to it when I'm making dinner.

    I listen to it at the weekends.

    It has no ads.

    An Irish commercial can't do that, so I won't listen to one.
    listened to it for a bit on Thursday, thought it was **** tbh, Mark Radcliffe talking non-stop between songs, complete and utter gibberish.
    i'd much rather ads than having to listen to that moron again.
    the music was remarkably dull and conservative. as stereotypically "mid-40s guardian reader" as you could get.


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    #1051
    Twizzler
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Twizzler


    Declan A Walsh wrote: »
    Radio Nova have taken on singer-songwriter Gavin Glass to take over as presenter of Locals Only on Sunday evenings, starting tomorrow. He also presents The Pickup on Tuesday nights on TXFM and, unusually, I think I actually heard him last Tuesday briefly.

    I wonder will he continue with his program on TXFM as well. Obviously, he one of those presenters who is doing it as a sideline.

    I thought Gavin Glass left that slot on TX a month or so ago....I remember Kelly-Anne saying it was going to be his last show, & John Caddell has been doing the slot since. JC is listed on the website now for that show. Maybe he knew this was coming....I didn't think anything of it because the presenters in those slots often leave. The Pogo radio guys didn't last, Orlagh left the Fri eve gig, Kieran on The Set List came & went intermittently, etc.


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