Season 4 Finale - Episode 16 - "A" [AMC] [SPOILERS]

username123

It seems impossible for the tv forums to stick with the subject matter at hand, ie, the tv show, when comics or books exist.

Grimebox

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Washington Irving wrote: »

They wouldn't though. It's not particularly difficult to keep meat from spoiling, think of all those thousands of years before refrigeration.

I don't mean spoiling in the usual use of the word. I mean their food could be poisonous if the person had turned. How could they be sure the person hasn't started turning into a zombie?

Flippyfloppy

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Pity Abraham and Eugene already have meat on their bones

nc6000

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Are people just assuming they are cannibals in Terminus or did I miss something?

Flippyfloppy

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nc6000 wrote: »

Are people just assuming they are cannibals in Terminus or did I miss something?

Always cooking large pieces of meat on the BBQ, writing saying trust no one , first always, skeletal remains stripped of any meat in a cage, hearing other people locked up in containers, powerered milk outside current container- why are they keeping them alive, why are they tricking them into arriving, why aren't they feeding them plentiful meat & vege?

Washington Irving

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Grimebox wrote: »

I don't mean spoiling in the usual use of the word. I mean their food could be poisonous if the person had turned. How could they be sure the person hasn't started turning into a zombie?

By destroying the brain when killing the victim.

expectationlost

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Sir Chops wrote: »

Terminus doesn't exist in the comics so untwist the knickers.

no but

cannibals

do and that's what were talking about

expectationlost

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ok so if we're talking cannibals, so aslong as you avoid the brain you can eat human meat for aslong as you want? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism#Medical_aspects

expectationlost

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the most suspicious thing is why they are so few of them.


why don't they have better fences.

Soft Falling Rain

expectationlost wrote: »

the most suspicious thing is why they are so few of them.


and why don't they have better fences.

There seemed to be plenty to be fair, well armed too. Definitely more in their numbers than in Rick's anyway. The only you could say though is that Rick's are probably more hardened.

Teyla Emmagan

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expectationlost wrote: »

the most suspicious thing is why they are so few of them.


why don't they have better fences.

There's not that few at all, there were plenty of people on the roofs, on the far side of the fence. Maybe that's why they don't have more fences, they have the people to patrol them. And I guess they're trying to make the place look as 'welcoming' as possible. If you get one or two stragglers on the road, they're more likely to walk into somewhere low security then try and hurl themselves over barricades.

All that woman must do all day is stand around grilling meat.

the_monkey

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Dissapointing ending really. .. a cliffhanger needs to leave you wanting yes .. but it also needs to reveal something, this revealed nothing.

Grimebox

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People have way too much expectations of finale's drilled into them. I was expecting far worse of a cliff hanger to be honest.

iPink

It was a good episode. .. but as a finale. .. meh!!

First of all I thought I'd mistakenly started watching the wrong episode too! Didn't mind the flash backs.. and the gang bang at the start was pretty good. .. totally see why Rick did it. .. you do what you can to survive & if someone threatens your family like that. .well....

Don't get why they put in the bit about yer man being eaten (perhaps to show how hard Rick has become... The old Rick would have gone in guns blazing regardless...?? ) also why would all the walkers suddenly start following them when there was a nice fresh body to eat? !

In terminus. .. What is the obsession they have with 'fixing a plate for someone...'?? Why feed someone bbq you were intending to kill & eat them anyway! !

The was something in the interaction between the guy Rick had the gun to & the leader guy. .. it was like they hadn't decided yet what to do with them I felt & the guy Rick had was perhaps trying to save them somehow...??

I totally missed all the 'A's everywhere but it was so obvious they were being herded & heard the other ppl shouting & calling for help from the containers. ..

Why would there be bloody carcasses left out in the open like that anyway. ..???

I presumed all the stuff in the altar room was to show some sort of backdrop to what was going to happen. .. They trusted before & it went badly for them so now it's a blanket 'no trust" policy (cannibals or not) though why exactly they were allowed to see that room is beyond me add they were being herded as anyway! ! I would have stopped running or broken through something to go a different way once I realised my path was being directed...!!

Something that really bothered me was why the hell did it take so long to direct them into the container & why did it have to be in such perfect order. ..???

Also thought fattening up food when I saw the milk & plates! !

And finally. .. What are the odds that they would be put in the same container as Glenn & co....!!! There were so many containers around! ! And Glenn & co don't try to break out when the door is opened... Seriously? ?!

That's all for now. .. as I said ok episode but for a season finale. ...

ricero

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Eugene will use his geek powers to find a way out

Paddy Cow

iPink wrote: »

And finally. .. What are the odds that they would be put in the same container as Glenn & co....!!! There were so many containers around! ! And Glenn & co don't try to break out when the door is opened... Seriously? ?!

I thought it was deliberate. Rick recognised the watch, riot gear etc so your man would've known that Rick knew Glenn. What would be the point in Glenn trying to escape? They could hear the gun fire and know they are surrounded.

Liamalone

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Paddy Cow wrote: »

I thought it was deliberate. Rick recognised the watch, riot gear etc so your man would've known that Rick knew Glenn. What would be the point in Glenn trying to escape? They could hear the gun fire and know they are surrounded.

Surely if yer man cottoned on that they knew each other, keep them apart!

Paddy Cow

Liamalone wrote: »

Surely if yer man cottoned on that they knew each other, keep them apart!

Who knows what goes through a psycho's mind. Maybe he thinks it was better to put them together to keep them under control. Rick went mad wanting to know what happened to Glenn. Now he knows and is in a pretty helpless situation which makes him harmless.

Something that has been bugging me is why did Rick let on so quickly that he recognised Glenn's watch? Would it not have been wiser to keep that under wraps until he formed a plan with the others?

maryfred

Wouldn't Michonne have seen Tara when she was with the Governer and say who she was?Glenn lied to Maggie and said he met her along the way,but she was part of the Governors gang when Herscel was murdered.I think (hope) that Carol and Tyrese will have a lot to do with getting them out. And why has Maggie completely forgotten that she has a sister!

ardinn

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Brian_Zeluz wrote: »

Weak final line but that was a hell of an episodes besides that. Best kill so far by anyone from Rick I reckon.

FALSE

expectationlost

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i wonder if they watched Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter

PirateShampoo

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maryfred wrote: »

Wouldn't Michonne have seen Tara when she was with the Governer and say who she was?Glenn lied to Maggie and said he met her along the way,but she was part of the Governors gang when Herscel was murdered.I think (hope) that Carol and Tyrese will have a lot to do with getting them out. And why has Maggie completely forgotten that she has a sister!

Tara was never at Woodbury, so Michonne would never had met her.

Witcher

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Tara was never at Woodbury, so Michonne would never had met her.

They mean when he held her and Herschel captive earlier this season.

Dandelion6

iPink wrote: »

What are the odds that they would be put in the same container as Glenn & co....!!! There were so many containers around! !

I assumed they were just filling the containers one by one as new people arrived. Glenn's group probably got there just before Rick's did, so they put them in the container currently being used for new arrivals.

pc7

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Good episode really enjoyed the feral side of Rick coming out, felt everything had been building to that. Loved the flashbacks really slick.

I did think the milk cartons might mean Judith is already there with Carol and Tyresse? But as others have suggested maybe it is to fatten up people.

I'd say Glenn and that didn't try to escape when the door opened as maybe someone else had been with them and told them what happens to you if you are taken from the container your

brown bread

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I wonder will a big herd come through and that will give them their escape plan for season 5. It would be a bit rich if Carol and Tyreese save them. Perhaps if they arrive with Judith, Tasha Yar will not look to eat them but help them and then they stumble on the gang? Can't wait!

I enjoyed the season as a whole but really feel the mid season break ruined things, next year if they are going to do that I might just record all the episodes and bulk watch. It felt like 2 seasons rather than one, it lost its flow.

dori_dormer

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Do you think the meat on Marys grill is drugged? they must see people coming a mile away for her to always be ready on the grill. and peope be all happy milling around casual like. They let all the new arrivals keep their weapons to make them feel safe, but that is dangerous for themselves, so they must have a backup plan because new arrivals like the gang Darryl was with could probably kill quite few people before the snipers got them all if they wanted. Think thats why Rick knocked the plate out of Carls hand.

I think the candle room is a memorial to all the people theyve lost.

Dont know how they are going to get out of this one. A sniper or 2 trained on the door of the container and noone would get out alive. Dont think Tyreese and Carol are going to be able to help them much either.

I really hope they dont end up easily capturing one of the Terminus people who comes to feed them, and then negotiating their release. I want to see a really decent plan for once!

Brian_Zeluz

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ardinn wrote: »

FALSE

Nope, still think his latest was better.

Yakuza

expectationlost wrote: »

i wonder if they watched Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter

The same thing was in my head when I posted this

Zero-Cool

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Saw this online, class. Mary must have claimed the Gov's umbrella!

kaisersuzy

How did the outlaw group know it was Rick who strangled one of theirs in the bathroom.....from what I remember from that episode he snook away before being seen by any of them, only one who saw him was the guy he killed

iPink

kaisersuzy wrote: »

How did the outlaw group know it was Rick who strangled one of theirs in the bathroom.....from what I remember from that episode he snook away before being seen by any of them, only one who saw him was the guy he killed

The guy who was strangled for the bed (claimed!!) had a pretty good long look at him hiding under it before he lost consciousness. .. he didn't die, just passed out for a while. ..

Paddy Cow

kaisersuzy wrote: »

How did the outlaw group know it was Rick who strangled one of theirs in the bathroom.....from what I remember from that episode he snook away before being seen by any of them, only one who saw him was the guy he killed

The guy who saw him wasn't the guy he killed. It's a good job someone did see him tough or when they met Daryl they would've just assumed it was him and killed him.

Greyjoy

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I was never fully convinced as to why Joe's group were obsessed with hunting down Rick. This was a gang that beat one of their own guys to death just for lying to them, why would they give s**t if Rick killed one of them? They would have laughed it off and mocked the dead guy for getting killed. For several episodes I actually suspected that Terminus was their base and that they were simply returning home.

Paddy Cow

Greyjoy wrote: »

I was never fully convinced as to why Joe's group were obsessed with hunting down Rick. This was a gang that beat one of their own guys to death just for lying to them, why would they give s**t if Rick killed one of them? They would have laughed it off and mocked the dead guy for getting killed. For several episodes I actually suspected that Terminus was their base and that they were simply returning home.

They had nothing better to do with their time and are complete sociopaths. They have no problem killing one of their own but no one else is allowed do it. I would have been more surprised if they let it go.

Ken.

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Greyjoy wrote: »

I was never fully convinced as to why Joe's group were obsessed with hunting down Rick. This was a gang that beat one of their own guys to death just for lying to them, why would they give s**t if Rick killed one of them? They would have laughed it off and mocked the dead guy for getting killed. For several episodes I actually suspected that Terminus was their base and that they were simply returning home.

They needed someone to die in the last episode without killing a regular. They fit the bill nicely as cannon fodder.

Pepe LeFrits

Very good episode overall, although the ending was a bit flat.

Rick really should have told Michonne, Daryl and Pipsqueak to stay outside and gone into Terminus alone while he scoped out. He's never really been the smartest leader though.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

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Just caught the last few minutes there again on FOX as I was flicking through the channels, and RE: the door of the container being closed from the outside as Carl steps inside despite none of the Terminus crew being anywhere near the thing in the previous shot, I though of an alternative ending for the episode...

Rather than have Rick do the whole "they screwed with wrong people" bit, Chris O'Dowd should've also been in the container with them all and said "Who closed the door?" - much better way to end the episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCphe3dteFo

DubTony

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Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

All that woman must do all day is stand around grilling meat.

Homage to a previous role? Or maybe they don't trust her acting abilities.

Lone Stone

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DubTony wrote: »

Homage to a previous role? Or maybe they don't trust her acting abilities.

I seen her in a porn.... with the guy from xfiles.

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire

ricero wrote: »

Eugene will use his geek powers to find a way out

Yes, I want this to happen.
I can't stop grinning every time I see him, he reminds me of Bill Hicks doing an impression.

MarkR

ricero wrote: »

Eugene will use his geek powers to find a way out

This post made me think. Remember the coin (quarter?) that he found on the track? Maybe he'll use the electric charge somehow. I don't see what exactly they could detonate, but they could McGuyver their way out of it!

lolosaur

did nobody have a problem with the whole child rape story just thrown in for a bit of craic with joes gang.

Ah yeah, lets leave tubs have sex with karl. we will all watch, it'll be fine.

It just brings up so many WTF!

Grimebox

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lolosaur wrote: »

did nobody have a problem with the whole child rape story just thrown in for a bit of craic with joes gang.

Ah yeah, lets leave tubs have sex with karl. we will all watch, it'll be fine.

It just brings up so many WTF!

It seemed inconsistent with how they came across to Daryl. They neglected to mention child rape was okay.

Flippyfloppy

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lolosaur wrote: »

did nobody have a problem with the whole child rape story just thrown in for a bit of craic with joes gang.

Ah yeah, lets leave tubs have sex with karl. we will all watch, it'll be fine.

It just brings up so many WTF!

I kinda assumed that he was 'getting ready' to do it but didn't actually do it. If he was actually raping him that kind of changes things.

MarkR

Yeah, I think he was about to rape Carl, but was killed first.

username123

lolosaur wrote: »

did nobody have a problem with the whole child rape story just thrown in for a bit of craic with joes gang.

Ah yeah, lets leave tubs have sex with karl. we will all watch, it'll be fine.

It just brings up so many WTF!

But that kind of thing would be happening in the zombie apocalypse, rape of children, women, men etc, would be happening - its a total break down of law and order and civilisation as we know it.

Grimebox

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username123 wrote: »

But that kind of thing would be happening in the zombie apocalypse, rape of children, women, men etc, would be happening - its a total break down of law and order and civilisation as we know it.

Its inconsistent with what we have seen from that gang so far. They were bad but they did have their own immoral code. Child rape was definitely a stretch

Flippyfloppy

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Grimebox wrote: »

Its inconsistent with what we have seen from that gang so far. They were bad but they did have their own immoral code. Child rape was definitely a stretch

Well they did speak about taking turns with Michonne the first time we saw them

username123

Grimebox wrote: »

Its inconsistent with what we have seen from that gang so far. They were bad but they did have their own immoral code. Child rape was definitely a stretch

Aye but they killed one of their own with a beating a bit out of the blue too so it makes sense that they would not be telling potential new gang members all the gory details up front.

lolosaur

I guess if he shouted Claimed then Karl was his to do as he felt like.